Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

As far as I'm concerned Disney found a way to sneakily retcon in their own alternate prequel timeline.

Disregarding the ST for now consider this as the new six-film Saga:

1. The Phantom Menace - Episode I
2. Solo - Episode II (references both Aurra Sing from previous Episode and Maul returns at the very end like Barbossa at the end of the second POTC flick)
3. Rogue One - Episode III (Two Tubes returns from previous Episode)
4. Star Wars - Episode IV
5. The Empire Strikes Back - Episode V
6. Return of the Jedi - Episode VI

I think that actually works as a genuine PT/OT Saga, lol.

TPM has it's major problems to be sure but if AOTC/ROTS were homeruns I would have still allowed it. But paired with the other two there just has never been any point.

But imagine watching the six films I listed above in chronological order.

Phantom Menace has awesome Darth Maul and a whiny kid but then you never see that kid again (or so you think) until Vader's reveal four films later. TPM ends with Boss Nass declaring "Peace!" And then Solo opens with "It is a Lawless Time." Whoa? What went wrong? Where are the Jedi? What's with these criminals and Rebels? What happened to everyone? Then in RO Bail references the "Emperor's purge" and that one single Jedi is in hiding. Who? Obi-Wan? Yoda? Holy crap did things really go to pot after Yoda begrudgingly allowed Obi-Wan to train Anakin?

Then in SW you finally get the full story of what went down after TPM. "Oh that Pod Racer kid grew up and had Luke but then was murdered? Harsh." Until ESB of course and the rest plays out like it always did. Just imagine if TPM/Solo/RO was the PT that Lucas gave us that segued right into the OT *without* ruining Fett or adult Anakin/Vader and *also* without spoiling Vader's revelation in ESB. We'd have four insanely awesome movies bookended with the silliness of TPM/ROTJ being ultimately forgivable in light of the Saga as a whole.

 

[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I have a feeling JJ will sway you, Khev. I hope he sways me.

Think about it -- with each new Star Wars of the Disney dynasty, you have re-found your Star Wars compass. Episode 9 shouldn't be any different.

Well that's best case scenario so I definitely won't be hoping that that *won't* happen, but we'll just have to see.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

It's hard to throw away ROTS in that timeline. AOTC you can toss -- only confusion is Dooku. Even Padme and Anakin's romance gets explained via the pregnancy. But you need Vader's birth and you need the end of the Republic (Yoda and Obi's hiding) and the Rise of the Empire to fully understand the galaxy for the following episodes. Plus, Luke and Leia are set-up -- although I like it better that we don't know who they are (like it was in the OT).

 

[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

you need Vader's birth and you need the end of the Republic and the Rise of the Empire to fully understand the galaxy for the following episodes.

But we never needed those things when all we had was the OT. The PT was just all about showing us the details of what we already knew to be true. It just did it badly (unlike RO and Solo which also basically told stories that we already knew the outcomes for.)

 

[xipotec]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

that sounds pretty racist

Non nationalist...

So anti nationalist?


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[Wor-Gar]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

But we never needed those things when all we had was the OT. The PT was just all about showing us the details of what we already knew to be true. It just did it badly (unlike RO and Solo which also basically told stories that we already knew the outcomes for.)

Well, we didn't need a Solo backstory or a movie about the stolen plans either.

If you're going to spell all that out, seems like the biggest question of all is: why did Vader fall? Even if its one of the poorest answers in all the galaxy.

Personally, I'd just start my SAGA at Solo and move forward chronologically... then no problems. Stop at 'Jedi' obviously.

 

[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Well, we didn't need a Solo backstory or a movie about the stolen plans either.

Well yes and I basically stated as much in the post that you quoted. None of the PT was really necessary but if done well it's just hella fun to see. But tell them badly or add stupid elements that contradict the OT then they defeat their own limited purpose and just become totally pointless. RO and Solo didn't really give necessary information but they were incredibly entertaining movies in their own right and *enhance* the OT instead of diminish it so therefore they justify their own existence IMO (unlike the current PT as is.)

But I know you kind of like ROTS so I don't really expect you to change your mindset on the PT backstory or anything. I just posted my "alternate six" as a genuine PT/OT Saga that's viable to me (and includes TPM no less!) for anyone who might get a kick out of it. AOTC/ROTS are just beyond horrible to me for what they did to Fett and Vader. Far worse I imagine than even how you see TLJ. I'd much rather have the fall of the Republic/Jedi Purge/Vader's turn/Rise of the Empire be something that is simply referenced in dialogue than ever allow those two films to be included in my own personal canon.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

As far as I'm concerned Disney found a way to sneakily retcon in their own alternate prequel timeline.

Disregarding the ST for now consider this as the new six-film Saga:

1. The Phantom Menace - Episode I
2. Solo - Episode II (references both Aurra Sing from previous Episode and Maul returns at the very end like Barbossa at the end of the second POTC flick)
3. Rogue One - Episode III (Two Tubes returns from previous Episode)
4. Star Wars - Episode IV
5. The Empire Strikes Back - Episode V
6. Return of the Jedi - Episode VI

I think that actually works as a genuine PT/OT Saga, lol.

TPM has it's major problems to be sure but if AOTC/ROTS were homeruns I would have still allowed it. But paired with the other two there just has never been any point.

But imagine watching the six films I listed above in chronological order.

Phantom Menace has awesome Darth Maul and a whiny kid but then you never see that kid again (or so you think) until Vader's reveal four films later. TPM ends with Boss Nass declaring "Peace!" And then Solo opens with "It is a Lawless Time." Whoa? What went wrong? Where are the Jedi? What's with these criminals and Rebels? What happened to everyone? Then in RO Bail references the "Emperor's purge" and that one single Jedi is in hiding. Who? Obi-Wan? Yoda? Holy crap did things really go to pot after Yoda begrudgingly allowed Obi-Wan to train Anakin?

Then in SW you finally get the full story of what went down after TPM. "Oh that Pod Racer kid grew up and had Luke but then was murdered? Harsh." Until ESB of course and the rest plays out like it always did. Just imagine if TPM/Solo/RO was the PT that Lucas gave us that segued right into the OT *without* ruining Fett or adult Anakin/Vader and *also* without spoiling Vader's revelation in ESB. We'd have four insanely awesome movies bookended with the silliness of TPM/ROTJ being ultimately forgivable in light of the Saga as a whole.

Well yes and I basically stated as much in the post that you quoted. None of the PT was really necessary but if done well it's just hella fun to see. But tell them badly or add stupid elements that contradict the OT then they defeat their own limited purpose and just become totally pointless. RO and Solo didn't really give necessary information but they were incredibly entertaining movies in their own right and *enhance* the OT instead of diminish it so therefore they justify their own existence IMO (unlike the current PT as is.)

But I know you kind of like ROTS so I don't really expect you to change your mindset on the PT backstory or anything. I just posted my "alternate six" as a genuine PT/OT Saga that's viable to me (and includes TPM no less!) for anyone who might get a kick out of it. AOTC/ROTS are just beyond horrible to me for what they did to Fett and Vader. Far worse I imagine than even how you see TLJ. I'd much rather have the fall of the Republic/Jedi Purge/Vader's turn/Rise of the Empire be something that is simply referenced in dialogue than ever allow those two films to be included in my own personal canon.

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[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

JESUS H CHRIST

I I I

Don’t know what to say....

I don't know if you're complimenting or insulting my new take on the Saga, lol.

But consider this: With the original Star Wars Lucas masterfully interwove elements of Samurai and Fantasy films, Westerns and WWII war footage into a cohesive whole. The alternate PT that I presented extrapolates each of those elements and allows them to shine in their own respective films. TPM = Samurai/Fantasy. Solo = Western. RO = WWII war movie. So the PT becomes a loose anthology rather than a continuous story with the same characters but I think it works!

And without AOTC/ROTS we can pretend that Anakin grew up and had a proper romance with someone his own age and with Mrs. Skywalker dying when Leia was young as she said in ROTJ, him actually telling Obi-Wan that he wanted his son to have his lightsaber, etc.

Plus it allows the cooler elements of the PT (which were all in TPM anyway) like Maul, Ewan Obi-Wan and Liam Neeson to make their way back into the Saga.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I'd much rather have the fall of the Republic/Jedi Purge/Vader's turn/Rise of the Empire be something that is simply referenced in dialogue than ever allow those two films to be included in my own personal canon.

Oh I would too. That's why I would keep SW, ESB + ROTJ and simply add Solo and RO to the start of that. Dispense with the PT entirely. 5 film Saga.

But it does seem weird to 'start' with Solo. To much significance for Han. Starting with nobodies like in RO makes sense because its just a set-up to the world of the Empire and establishes the villains (Vader and Tarkin) which is fine.

It's really hard to make a satisfactory SAGA out of the puzzle pieces given.

The only reason I accept ROTS is because it is the PT story that was promised -- certainly didn't need the other two-films as a lead-up. The fact that it was unsatisfactorily presented sucks, but so was ROTJ. The years haven't been kind to my opinion of ROTJ. It's better than ROTS only because its shorter and it involves characters I care for. But its a pretty bad movie all around.

 

[Neal136]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

JESUS H CHRIST

I I I

Don’t know what to say....

The wet stain on your crotch says it all.

 

[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Oh I would too. That's why I would keep SW, ESB + ROTJ and simply add Solo and RO to the start of that. Dispense with the PT entirely. 5 film Saga.

But it does seem weird to 'start' with Solo. To much significance for Han. Starting with nobodies like in RO makes sense because its just a set-up to the world of the Empire and establishes the villains (Vader and Tarkin) which is fine.

Yep and I'm sure each one of us will have our own "hodge podge" Saga, lol. I think maybe only Junkion has said that he doesn't really sweat any of SW's shortcomings and just enjoys it all to varying degrees. I actually do like the vibe of TPM, have a good deal of nostalgia for it (mostly because of the pre-movie hype and marketing) and find that there are some genuinely cool elements in it as well. I just haven't really come up with a good way to reconcile keeping the bathwater along with the baby for that one, lol. Until now.

So of course I would understand if anyone decided "Jar Jar, Jake Lloyd, and Ben Quadinaros, **** TPM I'm out" lol but for whatever reason the silly stuff hasn't ever really bothered me to that degree. Jake Lloyd's performance and him building C-3PO will always be dumb but if I can get rid of AOTC/ROTS and instead pair it with Solo/RO then suddenly it becomes like the OT. Two awesome movies and a mixed bag with enough overall good to allow the mixed bag to get a pass.

Plus TPM is alone in the prequels in actually syncing up visually with the OT/RO/Solo on account of it's lavish practical sets, locations, and the fact that it was actually shot on film.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I've always said TPM is the most like a Star Wars movie of the OT. The style of filmmaking remains consistent to the OT and structurally it is in keeping with the first three -- the climax gets an added sequence with each succeeding film --

SW -
1) Death Star dogfight

ESB -
1) Luke vs Vader
2) Leia's escape from Bespin

ROTJ -
1) Luke vs Vader
2) Lando's DS assault
3) Han's attack on the bunker

TPM -
1) Anakin's dogfight
2) Padme's throne battle
3) Jar-Jar's field war
4) Obi-Wan + Qui-Gon vs Darth Maul


By the time we get to the disastrous #5 - there's just no room for 5 sequences I guess, so GL settles for a climax that just goes on and on in a linear fashion. No inter-cutting between sequences.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Just looking at the art book. beautiful stuff - wish we had seen some of Solo in the flight academy.

 

[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Just looking at the art book. beautiful stuff - wish we had seen some of Solo in the flight academy.

We'll probably see it on the blu-ray since Han mouthing off in the Academy and getting kicked out was filmed but didn't make it into the finished movie.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Disregarding the ST for now consider this as the new six-film Saga:

1. The Phantom Menace - Episode I
2. Solo - Episode II (references both Aurra Sing from previous Episode and Maul returns at the very end like Barbossa at the end of the second POTC flick)
3. Rogue One - Episode III (Two Tubes returns from previous Episode)
4. Star Wars - Episode IV
5. The Empire Strikes Back - Episode V
6. Return of the Jedi - Episode VI

I think that actually works as a genuine PT/OT Saga, lol.

TPM has it's major problems to be sure but if AOTC/ROTS were homeruns I would have still allowed it. But paired with the other two there just has never been any point.

But imagine watching the six films I listed above in chronological order.

Phantom Menace has awesome Darth Maul and a whiny kid but then you never see that kid again (or so you think) until Vader's reveal four films later. TPM ends with Boss Nass declaring "Peace!" And then Solo opens with "It is a Lawless Time." Whoa? What went wrong? Where are the Jedi? What's with these criminals and Rebels? What happened to everyone? Then in RO Bail references the "Emperor's purge" and that one single Jedi is in hiding. Who? Obi-Wan? Yoda? Holy crap did things really go to pot after Yoda begrudgingly allowed Obi-Wan to train Anakin?

Then in SW you finally get the full story of what went down after TPM. "Oh that Pod Racer kid grew up and had Luke but then was murdered? Harsh." Until ESB of course and the rest plays out like it always did. Just imagine if TPM/Solo/RO was the PT that Lucas gave us that segued right into the OT *without* ruining Fett or adult Anakin/Vader and *also* without spoiling Vader's revelation in ESB. We'd have four insanely awesome movies bookended with the silliness of TPM/ROTJ being ultimately forgivable in light of the Saga as a whole.

I can live with that line up

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I don't know if you're complimenting or insulting my new take on the Saga, lol.

But consider this: With the original Star Wars Lucas masterfully interwove elements of Samurai and Fantasy films, Westerns and WWII war footage into a cohesive whole. The alternate PT that I presented extrapolates each of those elements and allows them to shine in their own respective films. TPM = Samurai/Fantasy. Solo = Western. RO = WWII war movie. So the PT becomes a loose anthology rather than a continuous story with the same characters but I think it works!

And without AOTC/ROTS we can pretend that Anakin grew up and had a proper romance with someone his own age and with Mrs. Skywalker dying when Leia was young as she said in ROTJ, him actually telling Obi-Wan that he wanted his son to have his lightsaber, etc.

Plus it allows the cooler elements of the PT (which were all in TPM anyway) like Maul, Ewan Obi-Wan and Liam Neeson to make their way back into the Saga.

Damn I failed with my gif lol

Oh i’m definately worshipping it

The wet stain on your crotch says it all.

Khev is the Selma Hayek of SW discussions so that actually makes perfect sense!

Yep and I'm sure each one of us will have our own "hodge podge" Saga, lol. I think maybe only Junkion has said that he doesn't really sweat any of SW's shortcomings and just enjoys it all to varying degrees. I actually do like the vibe of TPM, have a good deal of nostalgia for it (mostly because of the pre-movie hype and marketing) and find that there are some genuinely cool elements in it as well. I just haven't really come up with a good way to reconcile keeping the bathwater along with the baby for that one, lol. Until now.

So of course I would understand if anyone decided "Jar Jar, Jake Lloyd, and Ben Quadinaros, **** TPM I'm out" lol but for whatever reason the silly stuff hasn't ever really bothered me to that degree. Jake Lloyd's performance and him building C-3PO will always be dumb but if I can get rid of AOTC/ROTS and instead pair it with Solo/RO then suddenly it becomes like the OT. Two awesome movies and a mixed bag with enough overall good to allow the mixed bag to get a pass.

Plus TPM is alone in the prequels in actually syncing up visually with the OT/RO/Solo on account of it's lavish practical sets, locations, and the fact that it was actually shot on film.

That idea is just so crazy I love it.

Straight from “Little Annie” to him choking Krennic his first on screen imperial choke then to Antilles his first on screen rebel choke.

Dude you just made me like TPM wtf!

Wait doesn’t the falcon have a cameo in TPM?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Khev is the Selma Hayek of SW discussions

I like your cleavage, Khev.

 

[Neal136]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Wait doesn’t the falcon have a cameo in TPM?

No, that's in ROTS. There are other Corellian freighters like it on Naboo in AOTC too, but nothing in TPM.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I like your cleavage, Khev.

We already know, Wor-Gar.