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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Yeah obviously huge differences between Lucas and Feige but I just view both in their own unique way and set of circumstances spear heading monumental successful achievements that caused significant impact to cinema and culture.

Regarding Kennedy first blame Lucas then her and not JUST HER and i’m good lol

remember Kennedy still answer to lucas.
This is still Lucas trilogy. he told her what to do and who to hire. Lucas wanted Rian, Lucas wanted Rose tico, Lucas wanted pansexual Lando
Lucas is behind it all
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

What does "out" mean? You're not going to see any more of Marvel or Star Wars other than Spiderman 2 and the occasional OT ref'd movie? You -- who sees these things 2-3 times in opening weekend? Come on.

I'm sure you and the wife can squeeze these in between blood sacrifices and primal orgies.

Yup just like planning your retirement only with cinema.

I’m good I got what I needed from modern cinema to go along with my classics of cinema.

Mass scale Superhero action with a big climatic battle and passing of the torch between hero groups, check!

Mass scale epic telling of the LOTR books, check!

Vader going all John Wick style and Rebel fleet action with modern cgi, check!

I’m out!

I’ll need just a decade alone to rewatch my collection. :yess:

No more SSF posting. :yess:

remember Kennedy still answer to lucas.
This is still Lucas trilogy. he told her what to do and who to hire. Lucas wanted Rian, Lucas wanted Rose tico, Lucas wanted pansexual Lando
Lucas is behind it all

I really do think Lucas is behind all the decisions he is a control freak with lots of time on his hands.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Since it's less likely that I can get to watch this movie in theaters (I may have to wait for the digital release), how did Solo do the Kessel run in less that 12 parsecs?

Did he shorten the route somehow?
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Nah.. that's far too much of a sweeping statement. It's certainly true in some cases - looking at you Mr. Aronofsky.

I watched Mother the other night. I felt like he tricked me into watching him jack off for 2 hours. :lol
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

You also have to remember that Faige is drawing plots from a very long history of stories, and character developments in the comics. Yes he does take some artistic license when it comes to melding story arcs together so it makes the most sense cinematically but if the FanBase disagreed with anything he was fundamentally changing about the characters there would be a huge backlash similar to the one that’s going on in Star Wars.

Kennedy, and Disney for that matter, started this venture by saying none of the Star Wars history in books, comics, or games ever happened. So already there is a disconnect between fans of the franchise and what they are current trying to sell us. They didn’t go with any of Georges ideas for the sequels to my knowledge and he has said in interviews he didn’t want to get in their way because it would have just messed things up. He likened it to an ex you keep calling or driving by their house to see what they are doing. First rule, no phone calls.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

They didn’t go with any of Georges ideas for the sequels to my knowledge

https://movieweb.com/last-jedi-luke-skywalker-exile-george-lucas-idea/

A new book detailing the art of The Last Jedi features some concepts George Lucas had done before he sold Lucasfilm off to Disney. He was reportedly set to direct what became The Force Awakens before he handed over the reins to Disney and had some concept art drawn up to reflect his vision. In the concept art and Lucas' pitch, Luke is exiled away on an island that looks like Ahch-To, but with Jedi temples that look more like something from Return of the Jedi.

George Lucas originally had the idea that 30 years after Return of the Jedi, Luke Skywalker was in a bad place and shut himself off from his friends, refusing to teach a new generation the ways of the Jedi. So again, you can put your blame on the man who gave you the prequels when you whine about Lucas doing it better. There is one major change though. George Lucas was going to have Mark Hamill's Luke come back midway through the events of Episode VII, which makes sense when you think of Hamill talking about liking some of Lucas' ideas better. It was determined that the first installment of the new trilogy should focus more on the new characters and that Han Solo was already eating up enough nostalgia time on the screen.

For fans griping about Luke Skywalker hiding and being a broken Jedi, blame the creator, George Lucas for that planted seed. And then thank J.J. Abrams for watering the idea, and then Rian Johnson trying to salvage as much of the harvest as he possibly could. Luke Skywalker was going to be on Ahch-To no matter what, so you might as well get over that complaint.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Dont be ignorant dude.... Youre just a kid you dont know what u talk about.

How can you say that while having a jurassic park sig.... the irony makes me nauseous

You are calling me kid when you openly admit to not understanding the cerebral qualities of JP1 whilst also making 50 grammatical errors a day? The sequels were not cerebral at all but the original was in some regards.

I seriously don't mean any offense with the grammar comment but the irony is equal on both sides. :lol

Nah.. that's far too much of a sweeping statement. It's certainly true in some cases - looking at you Mr. Aronofsky.
But there are filmmakers out there that do it for the love of film, of storytelling and still have that creative hunger.
It's not all a circle jerk.

I guess my point was more referring to the audience of said films gaining the feeling of being more sophisticated than the general public for understanding the artistic qualities of certain films whilst the general public does not, and not necessarily the filmmakers themselves doing it for that purpose.

*A good example of this would be former member SNIKT, who would often talk down to other members here for "not understanding" the "cerebral" qualities of film (even if said films truly had no cerebral qualities) and would often talk about these films as if he knew more about them than the directors/writers themselves.

I don’t know chakor. I was just relating my experience that people in real life I have met who say stuff like that are guys with high opinions of themselves who feel like they were cheated by life. People who think they are better and smarter than everyone around them and blame others for why their life isn’t working out.

Again, I don’t know anything about chakor. No offense intended.

Thanks for the constructive criticism and for not resorting to personal insults like crows just did. I appreciate it. :)
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)


That’s not true - the art only shows a Luke who exiled himself. The boldened part is just the author using that one tidbit of info to extrapolate information that suits his purpose, but which is never revealed. George’s reason for the exile was never given, and looking at the art he went to an ancient Jedi temple to meditate - not cut himself off from the force etc. (And even if he did we have no way of knowing that until George speaks)

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The only parts of George’s idea that were used is a) Luke is gone and b) the main character who searches him out is female. The reason and the circumstances were made up by the current writers. Too much ‘fake news’ these days.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Well Villeneuve is supposedly the closest example of a well rounded Lucas had he gone on to succeed beyond just SW.

How did his Blade Runner sequel do lol

But look at Feige he is a modern version of Lucas forging his own path.

Of course Lucas was also a creative powerhouse in the tech side of Hollywood (as was Winston) and ironically enough Lucas became exactly what you all hate this giant corporation that got sold to another giant corporation.

“Modern Lucas” don’t be silly. :lol

>Hasn’t seen BR2049
>Thinks he’s a filmmaking expert


"Passion"... :lol

"High art" film only exists so that pretentious filmmakers can pretend they are more intelligent and sophisticated than everyone else.
Is this sarcasm? This feels like sarcasm.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

The only parts of George’s idea that were used is a) Luke is gone and b) the main character who searches him out is female.

Which are pretty much the biggest ideas that drive the entire ST, lol. So yeah, I stand by the link as it proves that Lucas didn't have some radically different trilogy in mind that Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson completely dismissed.

Michael Arndt who had been hired to write a script for Lucas' version of TFA was given a long leash on story ideas by Lucas and repeatedly expressed how difficult he found it to introduce a new female hero while Luke was still in the picture. So either he or he together with Lucas determined that it'd be best to have Luke out of the equation until they could win people over with the new generation of heroes.

People can hate on the finished TFA and/or TLJ and that's fine but the truth of the matter is that Luke was always going to be in exile (for one reason or another) and that Lucas, Arndt, Abrams AND Johnson all struggled with how to explain both his absence and subsequent return. Hamill has gone on record to say that George would have had him train Rey in Episode VIII and possibly Episode IX as well before dying at the end of Episode IX. So assuming Mark is telling the truth (and I have no reason to believe otherwise) then TLJ obviously wouldn't have ended with him dying or him and Rey being at odds until she left the island without him.

But the existing ST as it is still has a pretty significant foundation in what George was originally thinking regardless.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Which are pretty much the biggest ideas that drive the entire ST, lol. So yeah, I stand by the link as it proves that Lucas didn't have some radically different trilogy in mind that Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson completely dismissed.

Context matters a lot, which you and that author seem to be leaving out. That same setup could lead to Luke being exiled and it turns out he’s on the run from a space vampire, and Rey meets him but he refuses to train her because the vampire will hone in on her too then.

And I could say it’s still George’s idea because those ‘are pretty much the biggest ideas that drive the entire ST, lol’

I guess SNIKT was ahead of the game too :lol
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Isn't that wonderful. The "Allies", Enfys Nest's gang, is another name for real world SJW's. So the Allies are a militant SJW group.

Ally is an umbrella term used by some to refer to people who (claim to) support oppressed and marginalised groups.

https://sjwiki.org/wiki/Ally
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

My point is just because a corporation is involved does it mean art is dead.

I got news for you all of our favorite movies from the golden era of cinema between Exorcist and True Lies were by corporations or do you think Friedkin, McTiernan, Cameron, Spielberg and Milius were just walking around with 30 million dollar budgets in their pockets.

Sure movie budgets have exploded but that’s only a natural reaction to match customer demands.

Social cultural impact is not dead look at Black Panther regardless if the movie is good or not it had a social cultural impact.

I'm not saying movies' ability to be culturally impactful is dead - obviously (though why movies as an artform are dying out is a whole other conversation) - or that it's new that corporations are involved. An oil corp owned Paramount and a soda corp owned Columbia at the time some of their most iconic movies ever made were produced (though the corporate desire to conform movies to other consumer product types and commodities is a whole other conversation.)

I'm saying that Star Wars' time as a culturally important story has long ago passed. Its world was an amalgam of issues, iconic images and worldviews that were of deep cultural importance and resonance to audiences in the 1970s, and all of those elements are long gone.

The OT's appeal simply as fantasy entertainment will always be there but its world and core story - the very ingredients you use to do sequels/prequels/standalones - doesn't haunt minds and get under the cultural skin at all the way it did in the late 1970s.
 
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