Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
And Continuity wrecked worse than Bryan Singer
And Continuity wrecked worse than Bryan Singer
Solo: A Star Wars Story
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
And Kevin Feige just has to sit back laughing and watch the DCU and SW universe implode
And Continuity wrecked worse than Bryan Singer
And Kevin Feige just has to sit back laughing and watch the DCU and SW universe implode
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
It took GL at the top of his game, Kasdan just before he peaked, Ralph McQuarrie, John Williams, the chaos of the 1970's and the long shadow of WWII and trauma of Vietnam to create SW.
How a committee in the team Disney building in a hyper-branded IP era ruled by CGI and soulless brand shapers like JJ Abrams are going create something that's even any better than the ST is beyond me. Vast, powerful, original, socially resonant? C'mon.
It took GL at the top of his game, Kasdan just before he peaked, Ralph McQuarrie, John Williams, the chaos of the 1970's and the long shadow of WWII and trauma of Vietnam to create SW.
How a committee in the team Disney building in a hyper-branded IP era ruled by CGI and soulless brand shapers like JJ Abrams are going create something that's even any better than the ST is beyond me. Vast, powerful, original, socially resonant? C'mon.
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Ok so then you put up 350 million of your own money for an auteur director of your choice oh and also keep your opinion of how things should go to yourself and wait for the product to be delivered to you when completed lol
It took GL at the top of his game, Kasdan just before he peaked, Ralph McQuarrie, John Williams, the chaos of the 1970's and the long shadow of WWII and trauma of Vietnam to create SW.
How a committee in the team Disney building in a hyper-branded IP era ruled by CGI and soulless brand shapers like JJ Abrams are going create something that's even any better than the ST is beyond me. Vast, powerful, original, socially resonant? C'mon.
Ok so then you put up 350 million of your own money for an auteur director of your choice oh and also keep your opinion of how things should go to yourself and wait for the product to be delivered to you when completed lol
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
That did occur to me, but I think it's still a grey area. Artoo and Threepio seem to be sentient. And assassin droids need to be cunning.
And Continuity wrecked worse than Bryan Singer
That did occur to me, but I think it's still a grey area. Artoo and Threepio seem to be sentient. And assassin droids need to be cunning.
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Haha - adjusted for inflation, Star Wars' budget today would be $45m. Crazy, right?
Blame this guy....
Haha - adjusted for inflation, Star Wars' budget today would be $45m. Crazy, right?
Blame this guy....
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
And it would bomb and be laughed at if it was the first time being seen.
If SW didn’t exist and today Lucas whipped out of his basement 77 SW for everyone to watch for the first time it wouldn’t be pretty.
And it would bomb and be laughed at if it was the first time being seen.
If SW didn’t exist and today Lucas whipped out of his basement 77 SW for everyone to watch for the first time it wouldn’t be pretty.
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
It would not have anywhere near the same cultural resonance today, no.
Star Wars is like a zombie - it has enormous power but is dead. Its life and power today is solely as a brand, not in what it says.
It was totally different in the late 1970's/early 80's. SW then tapped into deep issues that haunted the generation of that era.
And it would bomb and be laughed at if it was the first time being seen.
It would not have anywhere near the same cultural resonance today, no.
Star Wars is like a zombie - it has enormous power but is dead. Its life and power today is solely as a brand, not in what it says.
It was totally different in the late 1970's/early 80's. SW then tapped into deep issues that haunted the generation of that era.
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
My point is just because a corporation is involved does it mean art is dead.
I got news for you all of our favorite movies from the golden era of cinema between Exorcist and True Lies were by corporations or do you think Friedkin, McTiernan, Cameron, Spielberg and Milius were just walking around with 30 million dollar budgets in their pockets.
Sure movie budgets have exploded but that’s only a natural reaction to match customer demands.
Social cultural impact is not dead look at Black Panther regardless if the movie is good or not it had a social cultural impact.
My point is just because a corporation is involved does it mean art is dead.
I got news for you all of our favorite movies from the golden era of cinema between Exorcist and True Lies were by corporations or do you think Friedkin, McTiernan, Cameron, Spielberg and Milius were just walking around with 30 million dollar budgets in their pockets.
Sure movie budgets have exploded but that’s only a natural reaction to match customer demands.
Social cultural impact is not dead look at Black Panther regardless if the movie is good or not it had a social cultural impact.
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
thats bullcrap.
thats not the same.... thats total BS
obviously all movies have investors and have big budgets and have bosses that they need to respond to.... every single movie ever made was made by a company.
ever made in the history of cinema
the BIG DIFFERENCE IS the passion behind the artist..... the BIG DIFFERENCE is the VISION behind the artist....... the story...... wanting to create something amazing
Every big amazing movie made in the last 70 years, every beloved hit had a visionary artist behind it that didnt ONLY Care about the money.... they wanted to tell a good story and they wanted to make a movie to be proud of..... they had a story inside their heads that they worked for years. they become perfectionists and spend a lot of time crafting the perfect movie
Talibane is not wrong.... these movies are made by a committee... the same way a committee gets together to create the new Whopper movie or the new line of Sneakers.
they look at the market and they wanna make something that will sell the most regardless of passion, regardless of vision....
This new star wars trilogy has no vision.... there is no Road map set up... Rian Jhonson should have NEVER let to make his own garbage crap.... someone should have been a manager and should have laid out a road map of where these movies were going .
directors get hired the same way you hire a mechanic to work on your car or you hire a contractor to build a new room in your house, the contractor didnt have anything to do with building the whole house hes just hired to build one room.... regardless if it fits. he didnt have a vision or anything. hes just paid to do a job.
just a job.... hes not picking the furniture, hes not picking the courtains.... hes just a hired hand....
Thats the problem.... thats why we are in this mess.... these movies are made in an assembly line like making a product to sell.... only caring what will sell right now
thats bullcrap.
thats not the same.... thats total BS
obviously all movies have investors and have big budgets and have bosses that they need to respond to.... every single movie ever made was made by a company.
ever made in the history of cinema
the BIG DIFFERENCE IS the passion behind the artist..... the BIG DIFFERENCE is the VISION behind the artist....... the story...... wanting to create something amazing
Every big amazing movie made in the last 70 years, every beloved hit had a visionary artist behind it that didnt ONLY Care about the money.... they wanted to tell a good story and they wanted to make a movie to be proud of..... they had a story inside their heads that they worked for years. they become perfectionists and spend a lot of time crafting the perfect movie
Talibane is not wrong.... these movies are made by a committee... the same way a committee gets together to create the new Whopper movie or the new line of Sneakers.
they look at the market and they wanna make something that will sell the most regardless of passion, regardless of vision....
This new star wars trilogy has no vision.... there is no Road map set up... Rian Jhonson should have NEVER let to make his own garbage crap.... someone should have been a manager and should have laid out a road map of where these movies were going .
directors get hired the same way you hire a mechanic to work on your car or you hire a contractor to build a new room in your house, the contractor didnt have anything to do with building the whole house hes just hired to build one room.... regardless if it fits. he didnt have a vision or anything. hes just paid to do a job.
just a job.... hes not picking the furniture, hes not picking the courtains.... hes just a hired hand....
Thats the problem.... thats why we are in this mess.... these movies are made in an assembly line like making a product to sell.... only caring what will sell right now
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
they already got that going https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoyCottEpisodeIX?src=hash
they already got that going https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoyCottEpisodeIX?src=hash
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
But you still need the creative team to come up with the ideas. The corporations were necessary, and still are, to fund the projects but had very little creative influence over the films themselves unless they wanted to hinder their process. The best movies are usually when the creative people are left alone to tell a story. When the corporations get involved and take control of creative you usually end up with a poorly thought out movie. I do believe there should be a balance of creativity and control.
But you still need the creative team to come up with the ideas. The corporations were necessary, and still are, to fund the projects but had very little creative influence over the films themselves unless they wanted to hinder their process. The best movies are usually when the creative people are left alone to tell a story. When the corporations get involved and take control of creative you usually end up with a poorly thought out movie. I do believe there should be a balance of creativity and control.
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
I think the most telling thing about Kennedy, in hindsight, was in the interview with her and George about him stepping down when she said the thing she loved about Star Wars was that there was no vision or template and that he made it up in his head as he went along which is fundamentally false. Yes there were aspects that still needed to be fleshed out but there was a template. He knew where the story was going and he had a rough draft of how he would get there.
Kennedy just thinks that the continuation of the story can just be made up as you go along which is in my opinion the weakest part of the ST.
https://youtu.be/Xayw6RfPa50
https://youtu.be/t5TGJquhP1s
I think the most telling thing about Kennedy, in hindsight, was in the interview with her and George about him stepping down when she said the thing she loved about Star Wars was that there was no vision or template and that he made it up in his head as he went along which is fundamentally false. Yes there were aspects that still needed to be fleshed out but there was a template. He knew where the story was going and he had a rough draft of how he would get there.
Kennedy just thinks that the continuation of the story can just be made up as you go along which is in my opinion the weakest part of the ST.
https://youtu.be/Xayw6RfPa50
https://youtu.be/t5TGJquhP1s
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
The '77 SW would be laughed at if released in 2018 as a new movie (unless post modernly retro). But as an analogy that's not sound thinking. If there was a young Lucas (at his prime) in 2018 making a groundbreaking VFX piece of science fiction it could be just as big and culturally effecting as the original was in 77. It could happen again - but corporate Hollywood does not allow these type of risky projects to happen anymore. Hell Lucas even had problems getting the funding in 77.
And it would bomb and be laughed at if it was the first time being seen.
If SW didn’t exist and today Lucas whipped out of his basement 77 SW for everyone to watch for the first time it wouldn’t be pretty.
The '77 SW would be laughed at if released in 2018 as a new movie (unless post modernly retro). But as an analogy that's not sound thinking. If there was a young Lucas (at his prime) in 2018 making a groundbreaking VFX piece of science fiction it could be just as big and culturally effecting as the original was in 77. It could happen again - but corporate Hollywood does not allow these type of risky projects to happen anymore. Hell Lucas even had problems getting the funding in 77.
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Talking about social and cultural impact look at the MCU there are normies at corporate worksites I go into that talk about Thanos and the IG as if Starlin was their favorite uncle lol
Talking about social and cultural impact look at the MCU there are normies at corporate worksites I go into that talk about Thanos and the IG as if Starlin was their favorite uncle lol
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Knowing that some sap is making **** up every two years rather than revealing an overall storyline or epic tale is what killed it for me.
And why I hate TLJ so much. It completely underlined that. These are just one off made-up movies now. I know it's just Sc-fi fantasy anyway - but there was always a sense of a larger mythology that was being revealed as the movies went on - not just "what **** will we do in the next one? - what's Hamill asking for HOW MUCH? Kill him - easier to do it now... Asian market needs an asian character - don't worry just shoe-horn one in somewhere"...
Yes 100%.
Knowing that some sap is making **** up every two years rather than revealing an overall storyline or epic tale is what killed it for me.
And why I hate TLJ so much. It completely underlined that. These are just one off made-up movies now. I know it's just Sc-fi fantasy anyway - but there was always a sense of a larger mythology that was being revealed as the movies went on - not just "what **** will we do in the next one? - what's Hamill asking for HOW MUCH? Kill him - easier to do it now... Asian market needs an asian character - don't worry just shoe-horn one in somewhere"...
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Well Villeneuve is supposedly the closest example of a well rounded Lucas had he gone on to succeed beyond just SW.
How did his Blade Runner sequel do lol
But look at Feige he is a modern version of Lucas forging his own path.
Of course Lucas was also a creative powerhouse in the tech side of Hollywood (as was Winston) and ironically enough Lucas became exactly what you all hate this giant corporation that got sold to another giant corporation.
The '77 SW would be laughed attic released in 2018 as a new movie (unless post modernly retro). But as an analogy that's not sound thinking. If there was a young Lucas (at his prime) in 2018 making a groundbreaking VFX piece of science fiction it could be just as big and culturally effecting as the original was in 77. It could happen again - but corporate Hollywood does not allow these type of risky projects to happen anymore. Hell Lucas even had problems getting the funding in 77.
Well Villeneuve is supposedly the closest example of a well rounded Lucas had he gone on to succeed beyond just SW.
How did his Blade Runner sequel do lol
But look at Feige he is a modern version of Lucas forging his own path.
Of course Lucas was also a creative powerhouse in the tech side of Hollywood (as was Winston) and ironically enough Lucas became exactly what you all hate this giant corporation that got sold to another giant corporation.
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Feige is a very clever marketing man who knows his brand - he couldn't lick **** off of Lucas' flannel covered boots.
He is a male version of Kennedy but someone who is doing it right for his brand and for the commercial longterm revenue of his brand. He's no filmmaker or auteur creative. Neither is Kennedy. Just producers pushing brands to the best of their abilities. But Kennedy has made a massive mistake of not understanding/liking/or really caring about what SW was.
She is trying to turn it into something that she wants or likes. Fail. I mean seriously 4 movies in - we get it. You want to push feminist and female brand attributes within the SW universe. If you care that much do. it. properly. as part of the overall universe. You know the one that has been cherished by decades, the one that you didn't create or care about.
We have had 2 female leads in 3 movies so far. Both of which worked (I love Rogue One) - why not pull back on the light speed with now because you are basically over egging the entire thing to stupidity. "Do you want anything? EQUALITY!!"
Oh **** off.
Blade Runner 2049 was tremendous though? It just wasn't aimed at a commercial market - it was a sequel to a cult movie with a pretty tight fanbase - but it cost a fortune.
Feige is a very clever marketing man who knows his brand - he couldn't lick **** off of Lucas' flannel covered boots.
He is a male version of Kennedy but someone who is doing it right for his brand and for the commercial longterm revenue of his brand. He's no filmmaker or auteur creative. Neither is Kennedy. Just producers pushing brands to the best of their abilities. But Kennedy has made a massive mistake of not understanding/liking/or really caring about what SW was.
She is trying to turn it into something that she wants or likes. Fail. I mean seriously 4 movies in - we get it. You want to push feminist and female brand attributes within the SW universe. If you care that much do. it. properly. as part of the overall universe. You know the one that has been cherished by decades, the one that you didn't create or care about.
We have had 2 female leads in 3 movies so far. Both of which worked (I love Rogue One) - why not pull back on the light speed with now because you are basically over egging the entire thing to stupidity. "Do you want anything? EQUALITY!!"
Oh **** off.
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Artistically blade runner 2 did amazingly. Thank you for asking.
It was a beautiful work of art. Visually one of the best movies to come out in the past 5 years
Artistically blade runner 2 did amazingly. Thank you for asking.
It was a beautiful work of art. Visually one of the best movies to come out in the past 5 years
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