Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Buttmunch]

Ah, I'd only heard about that aspect, as I don't watch the cartoons, didn't know it was considered canon, thought it was fan ficiton.



I don't watch the cartoons and don't know, how else am I to infer it, if you take the movie(s) at face value? So you're hit with Maul, and last time you saw him, he was tumbling down a shaft after being cut in half, and here he is talking to Qu'ira at the end of Solo. If they wanted to make sure you didn't get confused, they could have showed his robo-legs.

I still think it was a cheap and useless tie-in to use Maul....

They DID show Maul’s robo-legs!

 

[jedijim3002]

Well Lando is more concerned with his place and his people than Han and The rebels....

Of he was a caring person at the end of Solo it wouldn’t have made any sense to have him betray Han and Leia in ESB?

He clearly was obsessed with himself in ESB also?


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Yes. He was more concerned with the entire population of Bespin and the mining facility that he is responsible for than Han or the Rebels. He was willing to give Han, Leia, and Chewy over to Vader to save all the other lives on the planet.

That doesn’t sound like someone obsessed with himself. Yes it sucked that he betrayed Han in the short term but he was faced with an impossible choice. Betray Han or let Vader kill everyone he is trying to protect.

Besides once Lando saw his opportunity, he was able to set a plan in motion to free Leia and Chewy at the same time trying to get to Fett to get Han back but he was too late. This was his plan all along. Play along with Vader until he could get his friends off planet while evacuating the city. Sounds like he cared about more than just his wardrobe, his ship, and his droid.

Maybe I watched a different movie.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Lando got his own problems.

Lolllllllll

 

[xipotec]

Yes. He was more concerned with the entire population of Bespin and the mining facility that he is responsible for than Han or the Rebels. He was willing to give Han, Leia, and Chewy over to Vader to save all the other lives on the planet.

That doesn’t sound like someone obsessed with himself. Yes it sucked that he betrayed Han in the short term but he was faced with an impossible choice. Betray Han or let Vader kill everyone he is trying to protect.

Besides once Lando saw his opportunity, he was able to set a plan in motion to free Leia and Chewy at the same time trying to get to Fett to get Han back but he was too late. This was his plan all along. Play along with Vader until he could get his friends off planet while evacuating the city. Sounds like he cared about more than just his wardrobe, his ship, and his droid.

Maybe I watched a different movie.

No you just assuming someone in their 20’s is exactly the same person as someone in their 40’s.....

Lando tried to scam the Empire also. In the end what he did was make a deal that saved his ass, and sacrificed possible the entire galaxy, for Bespin......

Neither plan worked out....and Bespin ended up under Imperial control. he gambled and lost ....kinda like Solo shows him to be prone to do.

He clearly grew up from Solo, but isn’t that to be expected?


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[Prime Clone]

No you just assuming someone in their 20’s is exactly the same person as someone in their 40’s.....

This is also why PT Anakin isn't the same as OT Vader. We all grow up.

 

[jedijim3002]

If he is still only self absorbed doesn’t that prove that he didn’t grow up and never learned a thing?

 

[xipotec]

If he is still only self absorbed doesn’t that prove that he didn’t grow up and never learned a thing?

Come on now your being obtuse....his journey in OT shows that....clearly.

Thats the point of the character...he learns to be a hero by watching Han , Chewie and Leia suffer because of his choices....thats his arc in OT.

He had to learn his selfish , self centered choices lead to the suffering of people in his world. L3 was just the first.

To me he didn’t really show he had changed until the moment in ROTJ where we learn he is the hidden Skiff Guard.....then his change is solidified when he volunteers to lead the attack on the DS 2.


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[chewblacca]

Think Lando learned anything by episode 9?

 

[a-dev]

He'll learn how to be a good little original trilogy cast member and die like the rest of them.

 

[MegaPrime33]

He'll learn how to be a good little original trilogy cast member and die like the rest of them.

Idk, he's more of a secondary character. Chewie and the droids are still around. Lando may also.

 

[YoNoSe]

I’m sure Rose will teach him something new.

 

[jedijim3002]

Come on now your being obtuse....his journey in OT shows that....clearly.

Thats the point of the character...he learns to be a hero by watching Han , Chewie and Leia suffer because of his choices....thats his arc in OT.

He had to learn his selfish , self centered choices lead to the suffering of people in his world. L3 was just the first.

To me he didn’t really show he had changed until the moment in ROTJ where we learn he is the hidden Skiff Guard.....then his change is solidified when he volunteers to lead the attack on the DS 2.


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And you are being contradictory but I guess we can agree to disagree. I don’t see it that way.

I see Lando as an old friend of Han’s who has obviously grown since the last time they saw each other because Han remarks at how he never would have though of him being a responsible leader. They obviously have been through a lot together and had to have had each other’s backs otherwise they wouldn’t be friends if they didn’t share some common virtues. I chalked it up to the irresponsibility of youth and the need for survival in a galaxy filled with the oppressive Empire as to why he was never responsible for anyone else or had to answer to anyone. Being that they were smugglers and shared a common code.

Now he has responsibilities to his wealth first and foremost but also to the lives he oversees and thinks he can sit out of the conflict like Owen and Beru thought before seeing the brutality of the Empire first hand.

Once he sees there is no negotiating with them he realizes he must join the fray and save his friends and as many people as possible that he is responsible for.

For me I feel like Lando proved his loyalty when he freed Leia, and Chewy, like 3PO said “I knew it. It had to be a mistake.” Meaning Lando’s “alleged betrayal” signaling he was in fact a good guy and willing to help others when called. Plus the fact that he served Jabba the Hutt for almost an entire year in disguise waiting for Fett to arrive, fleshed out in Tales of the Bounty Hunters, with Han so he could signal the others to come rescue him. If that’s not friendship and sacrifice I don’t know what is?

Saying he was, in Empire, just like he was in Solo is disingenuous. He wasn’t only concerned with material things and himself like in Solo.

I hear your point about losing his droid and I do agree that was his breakthrough moment. But I wish they had handled him differently.

I was just hoping that we would have seen more of their common ground and friendship in Solo than we witnessed but I guess there is only so much you can do in one movie when you switch directors 3/4 of the way through filming.

 

[xipotec]

And you are being contradictory but I guess we can agree to disagree. I don’t see it that way.

I see Lando as an old friend of Han’s who has obviously grown since the last time they saw each other because Han remarks at how he never would have though of him being a responsible leader. They obviously have been through a lot together and had to have had each other’s backs otherwise they wouldn’t be friends if they didn’t share some common virtues. I chalked it up to the irresponsibility of youth and the need for survival in a galaxy filled with the oppressive Empire as to why he was never responsible for anyone else or had to answer to anyone. Being that they were smugglers and shared a common code.

Now he has responsibilities to his wealth first and foremost but also to the lives he oversees and thinks he can sit out of the conflict like Owen and Beru thought before seeing the brutality of the Empire first hand.

Once he sees there is no negotiating with them he realizes he must join the fray and save his friends and as many people as possible that he is responsible for.

For me I feel like Lando proved his loyalty when he freed Leia, and Chewy, like 3PO said “I knew it. It had to be a mistake.” Meaning Lando’s “alleged betrayal” signaling he was in fact a good guy and willing to help others when called. Plus the fact that he served Jabba the Hutt for almost an entire year in disguise waiting for Fett to arrive, fleshed out in Tales of the Bounty Hunters, with Han so he could signal the others to come rescue him. If that’s not friendship and sacrifice I don’t know what is?

Saying he was, in Empire, just like he was in Solo is disingenuous. He wasn’t only concerned with material things and himself like in Solo.

I hear your point about losing his droid and I do agree that was his breakthrough moment. But I wish they had handled him differently.

I was just hoping that we would have seen more of their common ground and friendship in Solo than we witnessed but I guess there is only so much you can do in one movie when you switch directors 3/4 of the way through filming.

I can see this, but don’t you think Han was distrusting of Lando to a degree from the start?

“Can you trust him?”
“No, but he has no love for the Empire”

I thought it fit perfectly with the more naive Han we saw in Solo and the more scam artist Lando we saw....




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[Johnny Utah]

We don't even have Poe yet. Doubt they'll make old Lando.

 

[jedijim3002]

I can see this, but don’t you think Han was distrusting of Lando to a degree from the start?

“Can you trust him?”
“No, but he has no love for the Empire”

I thought it fit perfectly with the more naive Han we saw in Solo and the more scam artist Lando we saw....




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Yes. Absolutely agree. Han’s memory of Lando was one of the scoundrel and untrustworthy in the sense that he would only look out for his own best interest but Lando has grown since the last time they have seen each other. He is now a successful businessman and responsible leader and he is entrusted with the decisions that keep everyone in his employ safe. That includes a decision to sacrifice an old estranged friend in exchange for the lives of his people.

Yes. You are correct that the scoundrel part of Lando in Solo was perfect and I actually liked those parts but to flesh out his character as loving capes more than people was an odd choice.

All I’m saying is that on the surface people say “Lando betrayed Han” and don’t think about the weight of his responsibilities and the lives he was trying to protect. I think his character is more nuanced than just a scoundrel who sells out his friend.

 

[xipotec]

Yes. Absolutely agree. Han’s memory of Lando was one of the scoundrel and untrustworthy in the sense that he would only look out for his own best interest but Lando has grown since the last time they have seen each other. He is now a successful businessman and responsible leader and he is entrusted with the decisions that keep everyone in his employ safe. That includes a decision to sacrifice an old estranged friend in exchange for the lives of his people.

Yes. You are correct that the scoundrel part of Lando in Solo was perfect and I actually liked those parts but to flesh out his character as loving capes more than people was an odd choice.

All I’m saying is that on the surface people say “Lando betrayed Han” and don’t think about the weight of his responsibilities and the lives he was trying to protect. I think his character is more nuanced than just a scoundrel who sells out his friend.

Well I believe we agree more than we disagree....

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[Prime Clone]

My main complaint about Solo (aside from it not being very interesting) was that it crammed pretty much every reference from the OT into one film, making it seem not much else ever happened to Han and Lando.

It's probably just as well there won't be any sequels, as their reunion in ESB had the sense it was the first time they'd seen each other since the Falcon traded hands.

 

[noisetrigger]

They DID show Maul’s robo-legs!

That is literally the first thing they show before the full reveal.

 

[DioramaMaker]

Currently watching this. Much better than I had anticipated. Feels very Star Warsy.

 

[ArtDamage]

Feels very Star Warsy.

Yeah hard to quantify, but I get this feeling with both of the star wars story films rather than the sequel trilogy.