Solo: A Star Wars Story

[jnmx2000]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Some things just aren't worth spelling out to some people but yes, that is exactly what I meant. Star Wars is a massive brand that will automatically draw an enormous fanbase. You don't need "Han Solo," "Boba Fett" or any other established character in the film. Star Wars is just another Marvel for Disney. Sure people know Iron Man *now* but most didn't in 2008. *No one* knew who the "Guardians of the Galaxy" were, they might as well have been a completely original team that Disney invented. But they were "Marvel" so people gave them a look, and all it took was a kickass trailer and totally enjoyable flick and now characters like Rocket and Groot are household names.

"Rogue One" is going to be about all new characters and is already one of the most anticipated films of 2015. "Rey," "Finn" and "BB-8" literally didn't exist in the public consciousness prior to the first teaser in 2014 and now they're Star Wars icons. New icons can be established at any given moment. That's what I want Disney to run with if they're going to go off with these Anthology films. Rogue One did not have to be about getting the Death Star plans so that we already know how everything will turn out. They could have hired that *exact same cast* that appeared in the current group photo and say that they are Resistance fighters off in another part of the galaxy trying to acquiring some *other* piece of vital First Order intelligence. Or keep them in the Rebellion and have them fighting another foe who reported to Palpatine that we've never heard of before in events never referenced by OT characters.

Telling stories that directly lead into the already established "Saga" films or that feature established Saga characters just puts them in a position of either doing something less dramatic because we already have the jist of what happens and also runs the risk of mucking up stories that we've already seen by changing the backstory of classic characters. It just isn't a good idea and isn't even necessary.

agreed with pretty much everything. I'd love to see a film dedicated to a bounty hunter, it doesn't need to be Boba Fett, it could take place during the current timeline. The galaxy can clearly be an awful place and we've never really seen that side except for what Boba Fett and Jaba did to Han in the OT. The possibilities of what you could do in the Star Wars universe if you expand past the known brand and start pushing the boundaries just seems exciting. Even a bounty hunter film could be like a western in space, a silent character on the hunt on a desolate planet going after the top pay check in the galaxy. There's almost endless themes and genres you could apply to what these films could be.

 

[WWEJedi]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Some things just aren't worth spelling out to some people but yes, that is exactly what I meant.

Another snide comment, I knew exactly what you meant.

Star Wars is a massive brand that will automatically draw an enormous fanbase.

You don't say?

You don't need "Han Solo," "Boba Fett" or any other established character in the film.

Yes, yes you do.

Star Wars is just another Marvel for Disney.

I didn't know Disney made NEW characters for Marvel movies? When did they do this? I thought they reverted to prior material from established characters in one way, shape, or form and made a movie from it. If it is just another "Marvel," then they will revert to established characters.

Sure people know Iron Man *now* but most didn't in 2008.

I doubt that.

*No one* knew who the "Guardians of the Galaxy" were, they might as well have been a completely original team that Disney invented. But they were "Marvel" so people gave them a look, and all it took was a kickass trailer and totally enjoyable flick and now characters like Rocket and Groot are household names.

First Marvel movie in 2008. Guardians of Galaxy released in 2014. That is 7 years of building a brand of good movies and proving to audience that Marvel movies are worth a trip to the theaters. You act like the general/casual movie population is going to care about a random soldier on a mission in the outer rim right now. I don't think they would. No one is going to care about a new character when Star Wars has no need to establish new characters outside from the main movies (Episode 7, 8, 9), especially when the demand is already there for movies on past characters.

"Rogue One" is going to be about all new characters and is already one of the most anticipated films of 2015. "Rey," "Finn" and "BB-8" literally didn't exist in the public consciousness prior to the first teaser in 2014 and now they're Star Wars icons.

Any character in a main Star Wars movie is now a icon character. Even in the PT. Maul and Jar-Jar (obviously for completely different reasons), Jango Fett and the clones in general, Ewan's Kenobi. All icons in there own right.

New icons can be established at any given moment. That's what I want Disney to run with if they're going to go off with these Anthology films. Rogue One did not have to be about getting the Death Star plans so that we already know how everything will turn out. They could have hired that *exact same cast* that appeared in the current group photo and say that they are Resistance fighters off in another part of the galaxy trying to acquiring some *other* piece of vital First Order intelligence. Or keep them in the Rebellion and have them fighting another foe who reported to Palpatine that we've never heard of before in events never referenced by OT characters.

I disagree. I also think there will be an established character in the film.

Telling stories that directly lead into the already established "Saga" films or that feature established Saga characters just puts them in a position of either doing something less dramatic because we already have the jist of what happens and also runs the risk of mucking up stories that we've already seen by changing the backstory of classic characters. It just isn't a good idea and isn't even necessary.

Not sure how they could change the backstory of any character considering we know nothing about any of them since the EU is not canon. It seems to me memories of the PT "ruining" Star Wars for you are cropping up as your main concerns in regards to these new spin offs.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I didn't know Disney made NEW characters for Marvel movies? When did they do this? I thought they reverted to prior material from established characters in one way, shape, or form and made a movie from it. If it is just another "Marvel," then they will revert to established characters.

They have created some film characters that are now in the comics, like Agent Coulson. There are other characters, but I don't have a list. I think the "Other" (creepy guy who works for Thanos) is another original film character.

I don't think they have created a new hero with powers though...and they should, because there's no reason not to.

Any character in a main Star Wars movie is now a icon character. Even in the PT. Maul and Jar-Jar (obviously for completely different reasons), Jango Fett and the clones in general, Ewan's Kenobi. All icons in there own right..

The word "Icon" is really thrown around nowadays so easily. I don't consider Rey or Finn icons....but that's just me. BB8 maybe...but R2D2 is still king of the SW droids. It's like calling all the GOTG characters "Icons"...maybe they are, but let time and not just the hype choose who's truly an icon.

 

[teemu]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

He does a good impression of ANH Han Solo, but maybe Disney is not looking for that guy, they want someone who can be Solo when he was in his early 20's, and he might not act the same or even sound the same. He should look similar though...

he was already casted as a young harrison Ford once...it worked

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Yes, yes you do.

No, you don't. Besides that's just nothing but your opinion.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

No, you don't. Besides that's just nothing but your opinion.

He might be right though...at least in the beginning. Even the "Roue One" film will most likely feature some old established characters, like Darth Vader.

 

[Xenoburger_]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

There are so many already existing characters in the Star Wars universe that we don't know much about or haven't seen enough of, so I don't really care for new ones at the moment. I'd like the established ones to get their own films, at least where it makes sense.

The characters in Rogue One don't interest me but the story does. It's referencing important events in the film franchise so that's what I'm looking forward to. If it wasn't I wouldn't give a **** about it.

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Another snide comment, I knew exactly what you meant.


You don't say?


Yes, yes you do.

I didn't know Disney made NEW characters for Marvel movies? When did they do this? I thought they reverted to prior material from established characters in one way, shape, or form and made a movie from it. If it is just another "Marvel," then they will revert to established characters.


I doubt that.



First Marvel movie in 2008. Guardians of Galaxy released in 2014. That is 7 years of building a brand of good movies and proving to audience that Marvel movies are worth a trip to the theaters. You act like the general/casual movie population is going to care about a random soldier on a mission in the outer rim right now. I don't think they would. No one is going to care about a new character when Star Wars has no need to establish new characters outside from the main movies (Episode 7, 8, 9), especially when the demand is already there for movies on past characters.


Any character in a main Star Wars movie is now a icon character. Even in the PT. Maul and Jar-Jar (obviously for completely different reasons), Jango Fett and the clones in general, Ewan's Kenobi. All icons in there own right.


I disagree. I also think there will be an established character in the film.



Not sure how they could change the backstory of any character considering we know nothing about any of them since the EU is not canon. It seems to me memories of the PT "ruining" Star Wars for you are cropping up as your main concerns in regards to these new spin offs.

WWEJedi I have a pretty long response to everything you said above so I went ahead and put it in spoiler tags. Here you go:

Spoiler

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

agreed with pretty much everything. I'd love to see a film dedicated to a bounty hunter, it doesn't need to be Boba Fett, it could take place during the current timeline. The galaxy can clearly be an awful place and we've never really seen that side except for what Boba Fett and Jaba did to Han in the OT. The possibilities of what you could do in the Star Wars universe if you expand past the known brand and start pushing the boundaries just seems exciting. Even a bounty hunter film could be like a western in space, a silent character on the hunt on a desolate planet going after the top pay check in the galaxy. There's almost endless themes and genres you could apply to what these films could be.

Yeah, I mean I certainly can't say that I'm surprised that Disney is milking the franchise the easy way, but I think it will do more harm than good in the long run. You spend too much time on any one aspect of the story or any one character and you can really taint what was previously a good thing. And it isn't Marvel or DC where if they screw up any one character you just wait a few years until the reboot, these "Saga" films are pretty much it. They're the core narrative that everything builds off of and if they *don't* branch off far enough and instead keep camping out with the same few characters and relative situations then they risk actually hurting the core narrative itself which is what Lucas did with the prequels and SE's. Then when the Clone Wars movie was released WITH familiar characters no one gave a rat's ass anymore and it bombed.

But as always we'll see, Rogue One could just be genius and if so I'll be singing its praises a year from now.

 

[WWEJedi]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

He might be right though...at least in the beginning. Even the "Roue One" film will most likely feature some old established characters, like Darth Vader.

Exactly. I guarantee Rogue One has a significant character that has been established. People are only interested in it because it is tied to the most crucial point in ANH... the destruction of the death star. Take that away..... no one would really care.

Eventually new characters will be added, but for the short term future.... I think Disney listens to the fans and plays it safe. Kenobi, Fett, Vader..... guaranteed hits that people want to see. As Xeno said, there are already way to many characters to work with. Imagine if Disney made there own superhero before Thor, Cap, Iron Man.... it wouldn't work. For the short term, the new characters stealing some garbage first order plans that would have no interest, drama, or importance as Khev stated wouldn't be a good movie. Luckily some people aren't in control at Disney or we would end up with a solo movie on the Varmiks or Ithano....

 

[WWEJedi]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Khev, I think your fears of these solo movies screwing up the backstories stem from your belief that the PT did the same to the OT or something along those lines.

The problem with that thought though, is there isn't a way to screw up the backstories. We don't know what Kenobi did between ROTS and ANH for those years. They are missing. Same can be said about Vader, Fett, Han, Chewbacca, the Bounty Hunters in ESB.... we don't know. Unless you watched a different film than I did, I don't remember the OT ever going into details about these characters story between the time frame mentioned.

 

[WWEJedi]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

One more additionally thought... there is a reason Han Solo is being cast soon. He will be making a cameo in Rogue One apparently if the rumors are true. Disney would never let this news slip unless they think Rogue One can stand on its own with brand new characters. If the new Han Solo is in this even for a few seconds.... everyone will go to see this just for the fact to see the new Han Solo....

 

[pturtle]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I’m definitely in the minority here, but since everyone on the list doesn’t resemble Ford whatsoever, my pick goes to the guy who basically acts like Han Solo in real life, that being Miles Teller. He’s also the best actor on the list.

 

[Kamandi]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I don't require a Ford doppleganger to play a young Han Solo. I DO require:

1) he can act
2) is a badass
3) has actual charisma
4) doesn't look like they were on a Disney teenybopper show last week. Would it kill them to hire a guy who looks 30-something?

So far the known contenders are too young and have none of these qualities, perhaps with the exception of Clint Eastwood's son.

A name I haven't seen considered is Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.

 

[fosing]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

han solo be jai hoe'd.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I don't require a Ford doppleganger to play a young Han Solo. I DO require:

1) he can act
2) is a badass
3) has actual charisma
4) doesn't look like they were on a Disney teenybopper show last week. Would it kill them to hire a guy who looks 30-something?

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

han solo be jai hoe'd.

I'll raise you a Sam Worthington.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

After seeing the actors suggested for the role....


I think Disney should just scrap the idea.

 

[beeshaw]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I really don't think this needs to be made. Was anyone really clamouring for a Han Solo origin story? (especially one that won't involve Ford at all).

I'd rather a live action Rebels movie...

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Are these anthology movies really going to have a "A Star Wars Story" subtitle?