SPECTRE - Bond 24

[jye4ever]

But Spectre would have to suck for it to be TDKR.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

^word. If any of them qualify as sucky I do have to agree I think Quantum is the closest...though I think it's a decent enough action movie to not be sucky either. My least favorite definitely.

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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

But Spectre would have to suck for it to be TDKR.

It blows my mind how you can think TDKR sucks, but you somehow like Age of Ultron or Jurassic World

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

I have to say I can't believe jurassic world is so loved. It's a decent movie. It's fun.

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[slackerboy]

It blows my mind how you can think TDKR sucks, but you somehow like Age of Ultron or Jurassic World

Yeah, I love TDKR like fat people love cake. I know it's got plot holes the size of a battleship and people think Bane sounds funny, but that was the fastest 2hr 45 minute movie I've ever seen. It was fantastic. JW and AOU were ok, not awful, but one viewing was enough for me. I will never understand how it got $652 million out of the box office, but if people love it that much, that's good for them.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yeah, I love TDKR like fat people love cake. I know it's got plot holes the size of a battleship and people think Bane sounds funny, but that was the fastest 2hr 45 minute movie I've ever seen. It was fantastic. JW and AOU were ok, not awful, but one viewing was enough for me. I will never understand how it got $652 million out of the box office, but if people love it that much, that's good for them.

What plot holes?

 

[jye4ever]

It blows my mind how you can think TDKR sucks, but you somehow like Age of Ultron or Jurassic World

Man I wish I had the power to summon Difabio like a genie.

As it is, as a standalone movie it's pretty bad.

But as a follow up to one of the greatest comic book movies it's an abortion of the excellent ground work that had been layed before it.

Jurassic World while fun I chose not to buy it, my one true test if a movie is worthy.

 

[Gully Foyle]

Found this new Bond chapter to be really weak sauce.

But--full disclosure--I find Craig plays a very mediocre JB.
In fact, I think he's a wooden post of an actor in every flick I've seen him in.
Back in 2006, I figured he'd grow in to the role. I even figured EON productions would have this happen by design, since he was so blank and unformed in his debut it seemed the producers intended the character to "become" Bond over the course of the following films. (A big page was borrowed from Nolan's playbook with Batman Begins.)

But Skyfall was just goofy: yet another villain-gets-intentionally-caught-to-fulfill-implausible-revenge-plot (the Joker/Loki cliche).
Bond has a stash garage with a vintage DB5 but no guns or weapons, he flees to an indefensible position and gets his boss killed! <Golf Clap>

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Spectre continues with the inane, JJ Abrams-style plotting. The opening set piece is loaded with eye candy but goes nowhere--it doesn't even have much stunt work, other than Chuck Aaron's flying which was already shown in the trailer. But James finds a ring! Cue LoTR music swell.

M is now a field operative? Q and Moneypenny both risk career suicide and imprisonment by covertly helping Bond?
Craig has NO chemistry with women, and the bang-the-widow-of-the guy-you-killed segment with Belucci was utterly forced and unbelievable.
She tells him how deadly "the organization" is -- White tells him he's really messin' with gods here, man -- BUT we're never shown this fact, just reminded through exposition.

The bad guys turn out to be as scary as bankers at an Eyes Wide Shut party. That's it!
Bond crashing the plane to slowly skid in a straight line into Hinx's posse was ludicrous -- as implausible as timing a subway bombing to crash through tunnels and as goofy as any gag in the Moore films. Another huge "stunt" set piece that does nothing other than recycle yet again the "chase the damsel in distress" cliche.

And finally--Ernst Stavro Blofeld is now Bond's step-brother! Of course! James also made C-3PO! <Facepalm>

The whole problem with the Craig-era Bond reboots are that they constantly try to "humanize" Bond by revealing more of his background, his youth, his journey to becoming 007. This fails on two levels: first, Craig has the warmth and humanity of a brick. Second, I don't go to a Bond film to learn his farking childhood story. I don't care about Bond's paternal issues. I don't care about his hernias, his hemorrhoids, or his mortgage. I sure as hell don't care about his sibling rivarly!

All the audience needs to know is that Bond is a 37-44 year old British super-spy who is an indestructible womanizing boozehead. Period.
This Lifetime Network backstory is laughable and reeks of demographic pandering to the female ticket.
Spectre's so-called "shout outs" to past Bond films seemed more like tired retreads than cool homages.
The whole affair seemed like more lukewarm mush. Nothing was memorable.
I could say the same thing about the last three flicks.

Mileage will vary.

 

[slackerboy]

What plot holes?

Bruce Wayne being a cripple at the beginning of the movie, getting a fancy knee brace to help him kick ass again (which is never mentioned again, I don't think Bane would've let him keep it in the prison), able to survive the fall from the pit with a sort of patched together broken back, walk from a Turkish (or wherever) prison back to Gotham, sneak back into a quarantined city, have time to paint a giant gasoline bat on the bridge, get out of a jet carrying a nuclear device with about 15 seconds to spare without getting cooked. Oh, and Gotham sends almost the entire police force into the tunnels at once...

Other than that, flawless.

It's very much a testament to how incredible the movie is that despite knowing all that is there, I love it to death. It's non-stop and like I said it FLIES by. I think I saw it 4 times in the theater and it never felt like 2:45, not once.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Bruce Wayne being a cripple at the beginning of the movie, getting a fancy knee brace to help him kick ass again (which is never mentioned again, I don't think Bane would've let him keep it in the prison), able to survive the fall from the pit with a sort of patched together broken back, walk from a Turkish (or wherever) prison back to Gotham, sneak back into a quarantined city, have time to paint a giant gasoline bat on the bridge, get out of a jet carrying a nuclear device with about 15 seconds to spare without getting cooked. Oh, and Gotham sends almost the entire police force into the tunnels at once...

Other than that, flawless.

It's very much a testament to how incredible the movie is that despite knowing all that is there, I love it to death. It's non-stop and like I said it FLIES by. I think I saw it 4 times in the theater and it never felt like 2:45, not once.

Well, Bruce had some physical problems, but that was something that was established in the previous films when they show all the bruises on his body, so in the beginning of TDKR he's got a bad knee among other injuries according to the doctor, but I don't see how that's a flaw. The magic brace works like any other fictional gadget in the film, including Bane's mask.

I'll give you that Bane should have taken the brace away, but maybe he didn't since it would have been pointless, since Bruce already had an injured back.

Bruce being able to survive the pit fall is a bit of a nitpick, because you can say the same about countless heroes surviving countless falls or situations. Even Batman in The Dark Knight survived a fall from a building when he landed on top of a car when protecting Rachel.

The film does not visually show how Bruce got back to Gotham, because it is already established Bruce already had these skills from Batman Begins. The Dark Knight Rises has two mis-en-scene allusions to this previous film to remind the audience of this: Bruce wearing rough clothing with a makeshift travel bag on the tough terrain after leaving the pit alludes to Bruce traveling the Tibetan mountains in Batman Begins. Selina sharing an apple with the orphan before Bruce returns alludes the Batman Begin's scene when Bruce shared an apple with a boy in sub-Saharan Africa. In Batman Begins, Bruce traveled the world for 7 years in poverty and no other resources -sneaking and stealing his way by- to understand the minds of criminals. Then, when he was trained by the League of Shadows, he mastered the use of theatricality, "invisibility", and other ninja skills. It is obvious Bruce could have just got back to the U.S. by sneaking in a plane or boat, faking a passport, etc. (Also, although Bruce got back to the U.S. through a private jet in Batman Begins, the same film shows him burning his wallet, giving his coat to a hobo, and then sneaking into a boat by the Gotham port to leave the U.S. So, he has the ability to do transatlantic travel all by himself.)

In terms of getting into Gotham, Gotham wasn't technically quarantined, as food shipments were allowed in. Citizens just weren't allowed out. The film itself establishes direct explanation for getting onto the island--the Special Forces being undercover as men delivering supplies. It proves that other people were also successfully sneaking into the city during Occupied Gotham.

The burning bat symbol is a bit theatrical, but it's not impossible, since he had a flying vehicle that could hover and it's not like the bridge was well lit, and I'm sure he has access to night vision technology. Gordon sending the cops into the tunnels was a strategic error on his part, but it's not really a plot hole. During war, world leaders make strategic errors and bad decisions, and those wouldn't be plotholes if those films were biopics.

Also, not all the cops were in the tunnels, because they still had a crew to handle the day-to-day cop duties in Gotham. Some of these included top brass like Gordon and Foley, who form a resistance movement with newly promoted Detective John Blake. But there were more than just these few. Some presumably went into hiding as Foley attempted before Gordon risked his own neck in his quest to get him to join the charge. And we learn the fate of others through a warning the priest gives Blake about roving mobs "hunting down" cops to throw before Scarecrow's merciless kangaroo court.

Surviving the explosion...well, he's Batman...no explanation needed, beside he fixed the autopilot...they kept repeating it for that very reason

 

[Deckard]

Reading the reviews here I didn't know what to expect. I loved it, one of the best Bond films and that's coming from someone who up to this point, just didn't care for Craig. He's finally grown into the role, or should I say the role has grown into him.

Everything was on point, the action, gadgets, SPECTRE was creepy and we got a proper Super Villian, lair, henchman, cat and all. I even warmed up to Q. Gorgeous looking movie too. Loved when the watch exploded and you could see just a split second of blood splatter on the floor from Blofeld, indicating the scar was coming.

Literally the only minor complaint is trying to tie Silva in. Quantum and Le Chiffre feel natural enough, Silva should have stood on his own, like Goldfinger did. Still, absolutely shocked how good it was.

 

[Deckard]

Also the few little nods like to Dr. No with having the clothes layed out and Bond invited into the rooms so willingly, the ejector seat, the train fight as a nod to Russia With Love and Robert Shaw were great.

 

[spindrift]

It blows my mind how you can think TDKR sucks, but you somehow like Age of Ultron or Jurassic World

A0U was pitiful compared to TDKR- JW? No comment...

 

[Wor-Gar]

How did TDKR get into this thread?

All I gotta to say about TDKR is... all the cops in Gotham went into the sewers and got trapped? All of them? For months?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

How did TDKR get into this thread?

All I gotta to say about TDKR is... all the cops in Gotham went into the sewers and got trapped? All of them? For months?

Not all of them. Some presumably went into hiding. We learn the fate of others through a warning the priest gives Blake about roving mobs "hunting down" cops to throw before Scarecrow's merciless kangaroo court.

And the ones that did, those spent several months trapped, but so did 33 miners in the Chilean mining accident a few years ago, so it's not impossible.

 

[slackerboy]

How did TDKR get into this thread?

 

[Gully Foyle]

How did TDKR get into this thread?

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[JAWS]

I've never thought Green was necessarily the problem with QoS. It's that the rest of the film is so forgettable. No matter how many times I see it, there isn't anything that really sticks with me. I recall thinking the outdoor opera was gorgeous, and hated how underutilized the beautiful Gemma was only to die covered in oil, and that the end happened in the desert. That's really all I got.

Though, there are quite a few really forgettable Bond films...so it's not the only one, it's just the most recent one. For Your Eyes Only and The Living Daylights, for example. A great villian can escalate an otherwise forgettable film, though...so maybe Green would've been better utilized in a different film.

QoS biggest issue for me is the awful editing... The action is hard to follow because of all the cuts and shaky cam.... Give the film a better director and I think I would have no real issues with it. It still has some great moments but they picked the wrong guy to direct.

 

[JAWS]

It blows my mind how you can think TDKR sucks, but you somehow like Age of Ultron or Jurassic World

Man I wish I had the power to summon Difabio like a genie.

As it is, as a standalone movie it's pretty bad.

But as a follow up to one of the greatest comic book movies it's an abortion of the excellent ground work that had been layed before it.

Jurassic World while fun I chose not to buy it, my one true test if a movie is worthy.

First time viewing

TDKR >>> Jurassic World >>> AoU

Now

Jurassic World >> TDKR >>>>>>>>>>> AoU

Having said that.. JW is just a pop corn flick. Nothing special but fun.

TDKR as Jye said was a sequel to the greatest comic film ever and the final in a trilogy. I enjoyed it the first time but it does not stand up to repeat viewings. BB and TDK were Batman films who knew who Batman was... TDKR seems to have lost sight of that.... It no longer felt like the real Batman. They took Wayne / Bats too far out character. There are other issues to be sure.. I mostly dont like what they did with the character.... But I still liked Bane.... who was far better then

Ultron in AoU.... Blah.. That film has all sorts of issues also but the biggest one was an awful villain. I think of those AoU trailers and what they promised us in the way of of Ultron and then we got what we got in the film... If Ultron was a better, badder, scarier villain the film would be 70% better.

 

[JAWS]

Well, Bruce had some physical problems, but that was something that was established in the previous films when they show all the bruises on his body, so in the beginning of TDKR he's got a bad knee among other injuries according to the doctor, but I don't see how that's a flaw. The magic brace works like any other fictional gadget in the film, including Bane's mask.

I'll give you that Bane should have taken the brace away, but maybe he didn't since it would have been pointless, since Bruce already had an injured back.

Bruce being able to survive the pit fall is a bit of a nitpick, because you can say the same about countless heroes surviving countless falls or situations. Even Batman in The Dark Knight survived a fall from a building when he landed on top of a car when protecting Rachel.

The film does not visually show how Bruce got back to Gotham, because it is already established Bruce already had these skills from Batman Begins. The Dark Knight Rises has two mis-en-scene allusions to this previous film to remind the audience of this: Bruce wearing rough clothing with a makeshift travel bag on the tough terrain after leaving the pit alludes to Bruce traveling the Tibetan mountains in Batman Begins. Selina sharing an apple with the orphan before Bruce returns alludes the Batman Begin's scene when Bruce shared an apple with a boy in sub-Saharan Africa. In Batman Begins, Bruce traveled the world for 7 years in poverty and no other resources -sneaking and stealing his way by- to understand the minds of criminals. Then, when he was trained by the League of Shadows, he mastered the use of theatricality, "invisibility", and other ninja skills. It is obvious Bruce could have just got back to the U.S. by sneaking in a plane or boat, faking a passport, etc. (Also, although Bruce got back to the U.S. through a private jet in Batman Begins, the same film shows him burning his wallet, giving his coat to a hobo, and then sneaking into a boat by the Gotham port to leave the U.S. So, he has the ability to do transatlantic travel all by himself.)

In terms of getting into Gotham, Gotham wasn't technically quarantined, as food shipments were allowed in. Citizens just weren't allowed out. The film itself establishes direct explanation for getting onto the island--the Special Forces being undercover as men delivering supplies. It proves that other people were also successfully sneaking into the city during Occupied Gotham.

The burning bat symbol is a bit theatrical, but it's not impossible, since he had a flying vehicle that could hover and it's not like the bridge was well lit, and I'm sure he has access to night vision technology. Gordon sending the cops into the tunnels was a strategic error on his part, but it's not really a plot hole. During war, world leaders make strategic errors and bad decisions, and those wouldn't be plotholes if those films were biopics.

Also, not all the cops were in the tunnels, because they still had a crew to handle the day-to-day cop duties in Gotham. Some of these included top brass like Gordon and Foley, who form a resistance movement with newly promoted Detective John Blake. But there were more than just these few. Some presumably went into hiding as Foley attempted before Gordon risked his own neck in his quest to get him to join the charge. And we learn the fate of others through a warning the priest gives Blake about roving mobs "hunting down" cops to throw before Scarecrow's merciless kangaroo court.

Surviving the explosion...well, he's Batman...no explanation needed, beside he fixed the autopilot...they kept repeating it for that very reason

The Plot hole is Batman going into hiding for 7 years and then faking his death.. He is the Batman.... The Batman does not do that....

I know it's Nolan's Universe but the other films were true to the character. This one.. not so much.

It's a bit of a mess in other areas also... It;s just not as good. Having said that I can still watch it and find entertainment in it.