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[D. Martin]

Re: Rogue PF

Trouble is, the line is focused way too much on Jim Lee. So people who like that era are being treated like kings, but what about the Cockrum, Byrne, Smith, and Romita Jr. fans?

My X-Men PF want list includes the following:

Cockrum Nightcrawler
Romita Jr. Wolverine in Brown
Smith Mohawk Storm (issue 173)
Smith Rogue (issue 173)
Cassaday Colossus
Cassaday Cyclops
Cassaday Kitty Pride
Quitely Beast
Quitely Emma Frost
Byrne Pheonix

In addition, I'd kill for a Wolverine & Katie Power statue based on Barry Windsor Smith's Awesome UXM# 205 and a Wolverine and Rogue statue based on the cover of Paul Smith's incredible UXM # 173.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Re: Rogue PF

Trouble is, the line is focused way too much on Jim Lee. So people who like that era are being treated like kings, but what about the Cockrum, Byrne, Smith, and Romita Jr. fans?

My X-Men PF want list includes the following:

Cockrum Nightcrawler
Romita Jr. Wolverine in Brown
Smith Mohawk Storm (issue 173)
Smith Rogue (issue 173)
Cassaday Colossus
Cassaday Cyclops
Cassaday Kitty Pride
Quitely Beast
Quitely Emma Frost
Byrne Pheonix

In addition, I'd kill for a Wolverine & Katie Power statue based on Barry Windsor Smith's Awesome UXM# 205 and a Wolverine and Rogue statue based on the cover of Paul Smith's incredible UXM # 173.

b/c the people who grew up in the 90's have the buying power.....

 

[D. Martin]

Re: Rogue PF

How would anyone know that for sure? All the companies focus way too much of their product on that one era. Marvel, as we all know, has been around since the Sixties and has had many influential decades, and many character designs far more iconic than those in the Nineties. I never understood the bomber jackets over top of the uniforms or all the superfluous over belt, bandolier, and pouching... Especially when all these elements were accompanied with massive guns and huge knives.

 

[Mr. Green]

Re: Rogue PF

b/c the people who grew up in the 90's have the buying power.....

 

[Mr. Green]

Re: Rogue PF

How would anyone know that for sure? All the companies focus way too much of their product on that one era. Marvel, as we all know, has been around since the Sixties and has had many influential decades, and many character designs far more iconic than those in the Nineties. I never understood the bomber jackets over top of the uniforms or all the superfluous over belt, bandolier, and pouching... Especially when all these elements were accompanied with massive guns and huge knives.

That's because some characters identify with the time/fad, while others are ageless. And true that 90s Xmen are outdated, buyers who grew up on those times are willing to pay. You don't see modern Xmen with pouches, bomber jacket, etc. Eventually they'll embrace the modern look. Me, I never understood the nostalgia of the really oldies; the chicken scratch, undeveloped characters. Except Hulk #1 LOL

 

[traylorc]

Re: Rogue PF

How would anyone know that for sure? All the companies focus way too much of their product on that one era. Marvel, as we all know, has been around since the Sixties and has had many influential decades, and many character designs far more iconic than those in the Nineties. I never understood the bomber jackets over top of the uniforms or all the superfluous over belt, bandolier, and pouching... Especially when all these elements were accompanied with massive guns and huge knives.

How would anyone know for sure? Well, that's why large companies like SS hirer folks who can look at the demographics of a particular target audience and determine which product line to focus on. Large companies have R&D, marketing departments, accounting departments, whose sole goal is to assist upper management with the selection of a product or service that will appeal to their target demographic.

There is no company out there that is going to deliberately go out of their way to leave profits on the table. If an X-men line focused on Cockrum, Romita, Byrne or Smith would allow SS to maximize profits with their target demographic, then those pieces would at the forefront. That doesn't mean SS will never visit those pieces, it simply means they feel a Jim Lee X-men line will generate larger sales in the immediate future.

 

[D. Martin]

Re: Rogue PF

I think X-Men PFs would sell out regardless of era or artist influence. We all agree that the Emma Frost PF is kind of the red headed stepchild of the Marvel PFs and it sold out anyhow.

Basically, I feel that the X-Men PF collection would satisfy more collectors if it didn't follow one era. The Gambit piece is iconic and stands as a definitive expression of the character, but I don't think that is the case with Cyclops or Rogue. I know I'm getting the Rogue because she is my favourite X-Men character, but I'm totally on the fence with the Cyclops. 90's Cyclops was the dumpiest the character ever looked. That costume without the yellow ginch might not have been bad, but a big brown bomber jacket, a bandolier, thigh straps, and yellow ginch? That's too much.

 

[dragontron]

Re: Rogue PF

I think X-Men PFs would sell out regardless of era or artist influence. We all agree that the Emma Frost PF is kind of the red headed stepchild of the Marvel PFs and it sold out anyhow.

Basically, I feel that the X-Men PF collection would satisfy more collectors if it didn't follow one era. The Gambit piece is iconic and stands as a definitive expression of the character, but I don't think that is the case with Cyclops or Rogue. I know I'm getting the Rogue because she is my favourite X-Men character, but I'm totally on the fence with the Cyclops. 90's Cyclops was the dumpiest the character ever looked. That costume without the yellow ginch might not have been bad, but a big brown bomber jacket, a bandolier, thigh straps, and yellow ginch? That's too much.

See, I feel completely opposite. Maybe it is because I am a kid of the 90's, but I really don't like Cyke with the cap over his hair and everything. The Jim Lee depiction seems to have more character and personality with the bandoleer, jacket, and hair exposed. It gives him more opportunities for the artist to show more expression in my opinion. I kind of get what you are saying about the ginch, as most characters have lost theirs lately like Wolverine, but I don't like his modern look either with the exception of his black X-Force costume.

 

[Agent0028]

Re: Rogue PF

I think that alot of Sideshow's customers are the age group that grew up with the 90's Jim Lee X-Men. I know when I picture the X-Men I think of those outfits, although I do agree that Cyclops look ridiculous in his.

 

[The Mike]

Re: Rogue PF

I've been waiting for Sideshow to give me a real Silver Age PF of all the major characters to go with my Cap. ____ everything else. This does look good though.

 

[D. Martin]

Re: Rogue PF

I think that alot of Sideshow's customers are the age group that grew up with the 90's Jim Lee X-Men. I know when I picture the X-Men I think of those outfits, although I do agree that Cyclops look ridiculous in his.

Especially considering how it is something that never suited the character. Dude is totally repressed. He shouldn't have hair blowing in the wind, and when you have a devastatingly powerful optic blast you don't need a utility belt... Lastly, what the heck are the thigh bands all about?

As for the modern Wolvie costume, I rather like it. It's not the cool Brown uniform, but it is a very well designed modern version of the classic design.

 

[Darth Krayt]

Re: Rogue PF

I'd to grew up with the 90's x-men so I understand the nostalgia in it, particularly with the x-men. But also wouldn't have a problem with any other representation of them as long as it's well translated into premium format (unlike what happend to Emma) just no 1/5 please.

 

[JosephCPR]

Re: Rogue PF

I'd to grew up with the 90's x-men so I understand the nostalgia in it, particularly with the x-men. But also wouldn't have a problem with any other representation of them as long as it's well translated into premium format (unlike what happend to Emma) just no 1/5 please.

I feel the same way. Although I love Jim Lee's X-Men, I would gladly buy any other version as long as the final result is good. Which is not always the case with Sideshow.

 

[D. Martin]

Re: Rogue PF

What's everyone's opinion on the sculpted clothing? Personally, I miss the fabric costumes...

 

[JosephCPR]

Re: Rogue PF

IMO not every character is suited for the PF treatment in that sense, using fabric costumes. Sometimes too much cloth makes the whole piece look a little goofy, IMO Sabretooth and Wolverine belong to that kind.

On the other hand there are also examples where cloth really works, such is the case of Gambit, and I pressume, the upcoming Rogue or Cyclops PF.

I think that it should depend on the character design and not so much on the "obligation" to use cloth, which in fact is not true, as PF , from what I understand is mixed media, and that could mean anything Sideshow could imagine (fabric, metal,..).

 

[wookielovin]

Re: Rogue PF

Jim lee is the man hands down.. the 90's X-men for me was the tipping point for a change in the art world of comics. Styles changed.. things changed... (even though the whole comic market bottomed out)

I think when it comes down to X-men, these are the 3 names that come to mind.
John byrne
Chris Clairmont
Jim lee

 

[D. Martin]

Re: Rogue PF

The All New, All Different X-Men would not exist if not for Dave Cockrum, so no definitive list is complete without his name.

 

[Rook]

Re: Rogue PF

Jim lee is the man hands down.. the 90's X-men for me was the tipping point for a change in the art world of comics. Styles changed.. things changed... (even though the whole comic market bottomed out)

I think when it comes down to X-men, these are the 3 names that come to mind.
John byrne
Chris Clairmont
Jim lee

I sincerely believe that Matt Fraction will soon be worth adding to that list.

Morrison and Whedon had visionary ideas, but not much of their stories seems to be sticking around...

 

[traylorc]

Re: Rogue PF

I think when it comes down to X-men, these are the 3 names that come to mind.
John byrne
Chris Clairmont
Jim lee

Just my opinion....but I would agree with you. Obviously there are other contributors, but these three folks come to mind when I think X-men.

 

[D. Martin]

Re: Rogue PF

OK,here's the million dollar question from the Lee era: Name one great story during that period...