Star Trek: Discovery

[Wor-Gar]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

Gentlemen, we are in a period of female driven "heroic roles" in fantasy-adventure films that traditionally went to men.

The term "Mary Sue" will likely take on a more general meaning for entirety of female usurped Heroic leads.



Why is this happening? Because a generation grew up with Xena, warrior princess.

What does it mean? Men are unnecessary and dangerous.

What do we do? Let's make Men great again!

 

[Python]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

Never liked the idea of a female captain. Don't like it here.

Why not? Janeway was good in the role.

 

[ali032373]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

Why not? Janeway was good in the role.

If you're looking for a rational basis for that opinion you may be disappointed.

 

[a-dev]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

I'm all for it, and certainly looking forward to some new trek. for what its worth, I think that the majority of folk questioning the female captain, aren't doing it for a sexist reason, its the fact that I think its fairly established in canon that there weren't any female captains in starfleet until after the time of TOS. There's actually a line in Turnabout Intruder, "your world of starship captains doesn't include women"

If that's true then I can't say I like it either. I wasn't aware of this. I don't like when they **** with canon. It's why I don't like the Abrams-verse. (and no, time travel does not explain all the changes they made in those films, some of them but not all of them)

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

Why is this happening?
Because a generation grew up with Xena, warrior princess.

She's a villain turned anti-hero turned hero. A minor character who grew up to be its own thing.
Heck, even Hercules started as a pompous jerk who was taught humility by Amazons and Deianira.

What does it mean?

That the license holders are pathetic and dumb.

What do we do?

We pay no attention (or money) to it.
People forget how they are able to do just that.

Janeway was good in the role.

She was the best ST captain.
Picard is still my favorite tho.

 

[Python]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

She was the best ST captain.
Picard is still my favorite tho.

I hadn't put much thought into it, I think Picard was probably the best all around, but yeah, I liked Janeway a lot. She worked under very different conditions in fairness. I don't care what gender the captain is as long as it's a commanding performance. It's the ship design I still can't get behind, I appreciate the influence, I just don't like it one bit aesthetically.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

They have theirs....








NOW we have ours....

 

[thecapn]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

Meh. That canon has been screwy from the beginning. The very first episode of Trek ("The Cage") had a female first officer, who was put in command when Pike was captured. Depending on which Trek you follow, there's an argument that that, in itself, makes her the first female captain (there's a line early on in "Enterprise" where Travis says being put in command makes you a captain; basically the entire plot of Trek '09's rank craziness confirms this).

There was a female captain in Star Trek IV, so by about 15 years later (-ish) it wasn't a thing, anyway.

Erika Hernandez was the captain of the NX-02 in "Enterprise" looooong before that episode, too - some people explain that away in that Columbia wasn't a Federation starship, only an Earth starship. But come on. Seriously?

The only way that line really makes sense in light of all that is that there wasn't a female starship captain at that moment in time. And considering (depending, again, on how you read canon and TOS' very loose dealing with it back then) there were only 13 starships at the time ANYWAY, and a few of those had been destroyed or lost (The Defiant, the Intrepid, the Constitution), it's not all that surprising that there just wouldn't have been. NOT that there COULDN'T have been, just that there wasn't at that moment (Or, that there was some really conservative upper echelon in power that was sexist at that time...ahem).

So, point is...it's a moot point. You can canon away anything.

Personally, I'm meh on everything thus far - the ship design, the uniforms, the casting - except for Doug Jones. Always loved him. Michele Yeoh - in the one movie I've seen her in, Tomorrow Never Dies - was downright horrible. So we'll see.

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

Erika Hernandez was the captain of the NX-02 in "Enterprise"...

The first rule of Star Trek is: You do not talk about "Enterprise".

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

They can carry guns, but carrying Asians is generally frowned upon.

 

[Khev]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

I'm not sure if you guys know, but we've actually, already, had women generals in the U.S. military! We live in a crazy, crazy world.

Do they let them carry guns?

How about asians?

They can carry guns, but carrying Asians is generally frowned upon.

The most heroic women carry guns AND Asians.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

@ Khev

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

....


I think that wins as the most forced moment in RO. It WILL be cringe-worthy.

 

[ali032373]

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I walked into it.

 

[screamingmetal]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

A chick commander? That takes place before TOS?



Maybe commander of the laundry room.

Number One was the first Officer of the Enterprise under Captain Pike. Although the Pilot was reshot and NBC rejected the notion of a woman in command so Majel Barrett was instead given the role of Nurse Chapel for the regular series, it's still cannon since Number One was shown in flashbacks in the TOS episode The Menagerie parts 1 & 2.


There's also Lieutenant Commander Ann Mulhall in the TOS episode Return to Tomorrow, the highest ranking woman in Starfleet that was shown in TOS:


It's not unusual for women to be in command in TOS.

 

[Sachiel]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

The most heroic women carry guns AND Asians.

I'm waiting for the EU story on that kid about how she miraculously escaped being blown up by the Death Star and grew up to be a BAD ASS inspired by Jyn Erso.

Spoiler

and is Rey's mom.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

That's Luke's little Asian daughter! She's going to pay off big time in Episode 9.

 

[EVILFACE]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

I'm not sure if you guys know, but we've actually, already, had women generals in the U.S. military! We live in a crazy, crazy world.

Did they wear those supper short skirts like the chicks did in TOS?

Why is this happening? Because a generation grew up with Xena, warrior princess.

What does it mean?

It means people were watching Xena in hopes of catching a glimpse of nipple. They finally got it in Spartacus.

 

[matticus]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

I'm not sure if you guys know, but we've actually, already, had women generals in the U.S. military! We live in a crazy, crazy world.

No wonder why we haven't won a war since WWII.

 

[Matt S]

Re: New Star Trek TV Series in 2017!

Gentlemen, we are in a period of female driven "heroic roles" in fantasy-adventure films that traditionally went to men.

The term "Mary Sue" will likely take on a more general meaning for entirety of female usurped Heroic leads.



Why is this happening? Because a generation grew up with Xena, warrior princess.

What does it mean? Men are unnecessary and dangerous.

What do we do? Let's make Men great again!

How to make men Great again? start by getting our collective heads out of our collective asses......