Star Trek: Picard

[Heavy Metal Spike]

Spoiler

Picard's DNA was a "receiver", and explains why he could still hear the Borg in First Contact. Jack was a transmitter.

So via the transporter system, everyone's DNA was modified to include the receiver DNA from Picard. This only affected people under 25 because their frontal lobes have not fully developed. The Borg then needed Jack in order to transmit/control all these people.

Ah - right - that makes sense now. Thanks.

But that does make me question how the original DNA did not contain both

Next question - what is a "lizzo"?

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[e30ernest]

Ah - right - that makes sense now. Thanks.

But that does make me question how the original DNA did not contain both

Next question - what is a "lizzo"?

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A Lizzo seems to be something one must add to every franchise to make the fans love it more.

Regarding your question though, my guess is:

Spoiler

Jack's was a mutation. The Borg modifies its host on a genetic level so that the implants and body can communicate (hence the receiver mutation). Jack being the offspring of an ex-Borg may have mutated this gene.

I don't think we've ever seen a son or daughter of a former Borg in canon yet?

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

Hmmmmmm #1 - I hear you on the mutation, I'd thought that myself, but don't think the Borg would be plan around a random event. Hopefully the whole thing will get explained in the next episode (or it's a MASSIVE plot hole).

Hmmmmmm #2 - I found what a Lizzo is! - she was the large lady playing the "Queen type" in Mandalorian S03E06. I hadn't noticed her much as I was confused why the "King" character reminded me of Jack Black but sounded nothing like him


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[e30ernest]

Hmmmmmm #2 - I found what a Lizzo is! - she was the large lady playing the "Queen type" in Mandalorian S03E06. I hadn't noticed her much as I was confused why the "King" character reminded me of Jack Black but sounded nothing like him .

Probably because he was Jack Black.

It's also nice of Disney to show us how Uncle Fester got his electric powers.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

Probably because he was Jack Black.

It's also nice of Disney to show us how Uncle Fester got his electric powers.

Yeah - I realised that at the end - good voice acting on his part

LOL on "Fester".

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[Kebron]

Hmm

I don’t know about that.

Picard is giving us the Borg and Star Wars is giving us a Thrawn.

One has been done already in live action the other hasn’t.

Thrawn is in Asoka. Mando has Lizzie.

 

[a-dev]

Fan Service Factor 9.9!!! (although I had it spoiled on youtube earlier today)

Not sure how Prime Clone is gonna feel about this.

I loved it, provided the final episode sticks the landing.

Spoiler

The Borg though....I thought they were no longer a problem after season 2 - did I miss something? Did Jurati-Queen or whatever only control the Borg from an alternate timeline or something, I.......I don't know what happened there, awful season other than the final scene with Q.

The Enterprise E at least got referenced.

Speaking of Enterprise referencing - one thing I do find inconsistent with TNG is that in the show they generally just called the Enterprise The Enterprise. The letter designation was rarely spoken whereas they're all saying 'D' now - I suppose because this crew has worked on 2 completely different Enterprise ships, the Enterprise F is out there and even the Enterprise A still exists on display at that fleet museum - for their own clarity perhaps it makes sense. Although when they first see the restored D I think it would have been better for Picard to just say 'The Enterprise' - they were all looking at it, they know which one it is - also if indeed it's Picard's favourite one as he indicated earlier in the season then him just calling it 'Enterprise' - fullstop - would reinforce that. Minor nitpick.

 

[jye4ever]

Fan Service Factor 9.9!!! (although I had it spoiled on youtube earlier today)

Not sure how Prime Clone is gonna feel about this.

I loved it, provided the final episode sticks the landing.

Spoiler

The Borg though....I thought they were no longer a problem after season 2 - did I miss something? Did Jurati-Queen or whatever only control the Borg from an alternate timeline or something, I.......I don't know what happened there, awful season other than the final scene with Q.

The Enterprise E at least got referenced.

Speaking of Enterprise referencing - one thing I do find inconsistent with TNG is that in the show they generally just called the Enterprise The Enterprise. The letter designation was rarely spoken whereas they're all saying 'D' now - I suppose because this crew has worked on 2 completely different Enterprise ships, the Enterprise F is out there and even the Enterprise A still exists on display at that fleet museum - for their own clarity perhaps it makes sense. Although when they first see the restored D I think it would have been better for Picard to just say 'The Enterprise' - they were all looking at it, they know which one it is - also if indeed it's Picard's favourite one as he indicated earlier in the season then him just calling it 'Enterprise' - fullstop - would reinforce that. Minor nitpick.

When Gates says “Beautiful” I wish I could say the same thing about her face.

Although she has not reached “Grey Alien” status as Madonna has.

 

[e30ernest]

Fan Service Factor 9.9!!! (although I had it spoiled on youtube earlier today)

Not sure how Prime Clone is gonna feel about this.

I loved it, provided the final episode sticks the landing.

Spoiler

The Borg though....I thought they were no longer a problem after season 2 - did I miss something? Did Jurati-Queen or whatever only control the Borg from an alternate timeline or something, I.......I don't know what happened there, awful season other than the final scene with Q.

The Enterprise E at least got referenced.

Speaking of Enterprise referencing - one thing I do find inconsistent with TNG is that in the show they generally just called the Enterprise The Enterprise. The letter designation was rarely spoken whereas they're all saying 'D' now - I suppose because this crew has worked on 2 completely different Enterprise ships, the Enterprise F is out there and even the Enterprise A still exists on display at that fleet museum - for their own clarity perhaps it makes sense. Although when they first see the restored D I think it would have been better for Picard to just say 'The Enterprise' - they were all looking at it, they know which one it is - also if indeed it's Picard's favourite one as he indicated earlier in the season then him just calling it 'Enterprise' - fullstop - would reinforce that. Minor nitpick.

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About the Borg, they (Shaw) said earlier this season that the Jurati Borg Queen is separate from the original Collective. So there are 2 versions of the Borg in this timeline. Which makes me wonder if Jurati will come back to save the day (I hope not).

The Enterprise referencing, I think you are right, and it's because they have been the crew of both the D and E. Also in this show, the original NX Enterprise is there as well as the A, D and F. So I guess specifying it is the "D" makes sense.

Now I want to know what Worf did to the E.

 

[Skyroes]

I’m still taking this episode in, but those last ten minutes really brought me back to a great time in my youth. I grew up in the late 80s and 90s and this moment was one of pure joy and happiness - nostalgia overload!

I’m sure a lot of us were hoping to see this reveal and the crew stand on the bridge one last time - it did not disappoint, the D is simply a timeless beauty. They recreated the bridge set almost perfectly, loved the call back to Majel Barrett and the dialogue between these beloved characters just sealed the deal - felt like classic Trek.

Shaw’s end was really disheartening, I was really hoping he would make it through. The character really grew on the audience and was worthy of a potential spinoff. I easily prefer him over Seven in a command role.

The whole Borg reveal wasn’t much of a surprise, we’ve discussed it here and turned out to be spot on. So was the Queen Alice Krige? It sure sounded like her. I hope we see her on screen next week.

They waited too long for this arc, basically they’re going to overcome this all in one episode - seems like episodes 7 and 8 could have been used much more wisely.

Shelby’s cameo was cool though short lived.

 

[davejames]

Wow, holy fan service Batman!! I've watched that ending three times now and still can't quite believe they actually went there. As for the rest...

Like others I couldn't help but be disappointed by the Borg reveal, since we already got two very Borg-focused seasons of this show and it felt like S2 closed out that story for good (since the implication seemed to be that Jurati was going to reform the Borg as a whole and not just that one offshoot).

But I will admit the idea of the Borg secretly working to assimilate the Federation through Picard's own DNA is a pretty cool one, and explains why he could still hear their voices in FC. Although unfortunately it means the much more interesting Changeling threat has been sidelined completely now, with them being nothing more than lackeys for the Borg. And honestly, with them nearly taking over all of Starfleet on their own, I'm not sure why the Changelings even wanted the Borg's help to begin with!

But wow, seeing the Ent-D again was absolutely insane. And even though not every detail was right (the carpet colors seemed off and the chairs not quite accurate), just the sight of the characters on that bridge and taking their old stations again was magical and surreal as hell.

 

[a-dev]

When Gates says “Beautiful” I wish I could say the same thing about her face.

Although she has not reached “Grey Alien” status as Madonna has.

I've actually gotten used to it after the initial ''wait-a-minute''

 

[davejames]

She clearly had some work done at some point, but thankfully didn't go so overboard that she's unrecognizable.

 

[Sidewinder]

I’m still taking this episode in, but those last ten minutes really brought me back to a great time in my youth. I grew up in the late 80s and 90s and this moment was one of pure joy and happiness - nostalgia overload!

I’m sure a lot of us were hoping to see this reveal and the crew stand on the bridge one last time - it did not disappoint, the D is simply a timeless beauty. They recreated the bridge set almost perfectly, loved the call back to Majel Barrett and the dialogue between these beloved characters just sealed the deal - felt like classic Trek.

Shaw’s end was really disheartening, I was really hoping he would make it through. The character really grew on the audience and was worthy of a potential spinoff. I easily prefer him over Seven in a command role.

The whole Borg reveal wasn’t much of a surprise, we’ve discussed it here and turned out to be spot on. So was the Queen Alice Krige? It sure sounded like her. I hope we see her on screen next week.

They waited too long for this arc, basically they’re going to overcome this all in one episode - seems like episodes 7 and 8 could have been used much more wisely.

Shelby’s cameo was cool though short lived.

It is Alice Krige's voice.

I was so glad when Shaw died. Honestly, he was incredibly annoying and it was clear 7 was being built up as a Captain. I know he was popular with a lot of fans, I just didn't like him at all

 

[chrisstbh]

It is Alice Krige's voice.

I was so glad when Shaw died. Honestly, he was incredibly annoying and it was clear 7 was being built up as a Captain. I know he was popular with a lot of fans, I just didn't like him at all

No idea why people liked him, he was a complete **** at every opportunity.

 

[a-dev]

Shaw is kinda like the starfleet version of the Cardassian Damar (sp) who also had a redemptive arc

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and death. He was an interesting character. I think Seven of Nine even liked him in the end.

Speaking of Seven - what's she gonna be called - Captain Seven? Captain Of Nine? Either way sounds silly. I think Shaw had a point getting her to use her normal human name

Last scattershot thought - will they really be able to run the Enterprise D with literally only the Bridge crew and I guess Geordi by himself in engineering? The answer will presumably be yes but how plausible is that

 

[Sidewinder]

Shaw is kinda like the starfleet version of the Cardassian Damar (sp) who also had a redemptive arc

Spoiler

and death. He was an interesting character. I think Seven of Nine even liked him in the end.

Speaking of Seven - what's she gonna be called - Captain Seven? Captain Of Nine? Either way sounds silly. I think Shaw had a point getting her to use her normal human name

Last scattershot thought - will they really be able to run the Enterprise D with literally only the Bridge crew and I guess Geordi by himself in engineering? The answer will presumably be yes but how plausible is that

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I don't think she liked him at the end, but she had respect as he had finally respected her. I guess she'll be called Captain Seven as she was called Commander Seven by Sidney. They are often just called Captain anyway or refer to themselves by their last name. So she would just be Seven.

How many crew were left on Titan once Ro's people had transported most of the crew off during her investigation? I thought they were pretty much down to a very small skeleton crew. Probably still quite a few more than on the D.

 

[Sidewinder]

No idea why people liked him, he was a complete **** at every opportunity.

Glad I'm not the only one!

 

[Skyroes]

But I will admit the idea of the Borg secretly working to assimilate the Federation through Picard's own DNA is a pretty cool one, and explains why he could still hear their voices in FC. Although unfortunately it means the much more interesting Changeling threat has been sidelined completely now, with them being nothing more than lackeys for the Borg. And honestly, with them nearly taking over all of Starfleet on their own, I'm not sure why the Changelings even wanted the Borg's help to begin with!

But wow, seeing the Ent-D again was absolutely insane. And even though not every detail was right (the carpet colors seemed off and the chairs not quite accurate), just the sight of the characters on that bridge and taking their old stations again was magical and surreal as hell.

I thought it was well executed as well but a small nitpick would be that it somewhat conflicts with the events of Voyager, specifically Dark Frontier Part II [5 x 16].

The Queen basically states that the Borg "allowed" Voyager to liberate her from the Collective, but she will not be turned back into a drone because they want to study her memories. With her individuality intact, the Borg can look through her eyes to help them assimilate humanity. This is long after the events of The Best of Both Worlds.

Maybe they were playing the long game with the Locutus DNA (I suppose it was never a guarantee if Picard didn’t procreate) and Seven was for another invasion type attempt if needed.

I agree on the whole Borg-Changeling “alliance” - I’m wondering how that even came to be.

Shaw is kinda like the starfleet version of the Cardassian Damar (sp) who also had a redemptive arc

That’s a good way at looking at it. For me, the character showed a wide range of growth.

From his first appearance, he came off harsh but the events later in the season explained that (wrongfully placed) hostility. Sisko was still grabbling with his demons when he met Picard as well. Misplaced hostility but likely the easiest avenue for both characters (Shaw and Sisko).

I figure he knew Picard and Riker weren’t being completely upfront in their intentions either, he was 100% for playing things by the book, and ran a tight ship. Jellico had a similar approach.

Overall once the character figured out what was going on he came around, and Todd Stashwick delivered some great scenes — the exchange in the holodeck was one of the best.

 

[Skyroes]

Spoiler

Last scattershot thought - will they really be able to run the Enterprise D with literally only the Bridge crew and I guess Geordi by himself in engineering? The answer will presumably be yes but how plausible is that

You’re right - long term a ship that massive would have maintenance demands exceeding the capabilities of a mere bridge crew.

Short term - it’s possible. We saw a few examples of this before. In the Voyager episode Workforce, the Doctor is literally the only one on board for a period of time and even engages in a ship to ship skirmish, the computer handles everything from navigation to tactical.

In Doctor’s Orders of Enterprise, Phlox is the only conscious one on the ship while the crew is in status as they pass through a volatile region of the Delphic Expanse.