Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Both the st and pt suck lets be honest here its just one of them feels more like star wars then the other and they sucked for different reasons. If you take out all the ****ing stupid love dialog in atoc and sith they are not so bad. If you remove luke skywalker from the last jedi all together then its not so bad- outside of im mary poppins yall leia and force ghost yoda nuking tree (remove him too). In tros you have to remove alot **** but one thing about tlj they cant fix is its the only skywalker saga movie without a lightsaber duel, that red guard fight dont count- cant fix that
 
JJ Abrams - TFA
*Former stormtrooper that gain conscience and disrupt
*Scared and always running away
*Incompetent (doesn't know how to fly a ship, probably the only Star Wars character who does not know how to pilot)
*After meeting rey, he becomes a stalker with no will of his own
*Bad desing (just look at the Hot Toys toy)
*HE IS A ****ING JANITOR

Rian Johnson - TLJ
*Starts the movie wanting to run way as a coward
*Is know as a resistence hero
*Have a narrative participation of 1\3 of the film (the Canto Bight arc)
*The character matures when he choose to join the resistance
*He get so much character develment that he stars as a coward and finish as an actual hero(tried to sacrifice his life for something worth fight for)
*Better clothes design

But sure Rj is the one who ****s Finn, not JJ abrams who Boyega loves to blindly defends
 
JJ Abrams - TFA
*Former stormtrooper that gain conscience and disrupt
*Scared and always running away
*Incompetent (doesn't know how to fly a ship, probably the only Star Wars character who does not know how to pilot)
*After meeting rey, he becomes a stalker with no will of his own
*Bad desing (just look at the Hot Toys toy)
*HE IS A ****ING JANITOR

Rian Johnson - TLJ
*Starts the movie wanting to run way as a coward
*Is know as a resistence hero
*Have a narrative participation of 1\3 of the film (the Canto Bight arc)
*The character matures when he choose to join the resistance
*He get so much character develment that he stars as a coward and finish as an actual hero(tried to sacrifice his life for something worth fight for)
*Better clothes design

But sure Rj is the one who ****s Finn, not JJ abrams who Boyega loves to blindly defends

Rj reverted finn back to being a coward all his character growth in tfa erased so at the point, jj had nothing left to do with him in tros any kind of huge change in character at that point would have felt abrupt. I mean he went from being a coward to hero back to coward again trn back to hero and love interest for rosey who he never liked to begin with. Most awkward kiss ever filmed on screen

Tfa he is stormtrooper who wants out, at first he helsp but really its only to escape- he is a coward then after the bar scene and rey gets captured he makes a choice to become a hero and try and save her. Soon as tlj starts all that is forgoton and he is trying to run away again- back to being a coward complete waist of his arc but again he signed up for the role knowing damn well he wasnt a lead character
 
Rian Johnson - TLJ

*He get so much character develment that he stars as a coward and finish as an actual hero(tried to sacrifice his life for something worth fight for)

How does that not also apply to TFA?

And in the beginning of TLJ he wasn't "wanting to run away as a coward." That was Rose's misconception. Don't be a Rose. :)
 
How does that not also apply to TFA?

And in the beginning of TLJ he wasn't "wanting to run away as a coward." That was Rose's misconception. Don't be a Rose. :)

What was he trying to do by escaping again then if not trying to run away there is nothing in that scene that suggest he was trying to do anything but escape and save his own ass? If he wanted to find rey he would have said that and theybwould have gladly sent him on a mission to do so, but ah rey was already back and he knew where she was- she was safe on acto at that point. They all knew she went to find luke no mystery there
 
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My boy. Many of us have already lived through this before. And when the PT came out it was "these new movies will never be remembered. They're terrible and if these were the first SW movies ever made then SW would have never become a worldwide phenomenon. When the OT came out it was the height of blockbuster entertainment, these were the biggest things ever, the whole world was obsessed with SW. Now that the PT is here they aren't even as popular as Harry Potter, LOTR, or the new Spider-Man movie. These will all be forgotten, bla bla bla," and here we are with the little tykes too young to have a voice on the internet at the time now rising up to defend their precious PT. :) So will it be with the ST kids.

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Truth!

And :lol :lol at Emperor


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With his "own" eyes at least, not his ghost eyes!


Both the st and pt suck lets be honest here its just one of them feels more like star wars then the other and they sucked for different reasons.

People hated the PT because it didn't feel like SW. The ST may have come closer, but it still wasn't as good as the OT. I think it proves you can't catch lightning in a bottle.
 
Ah yes, it warms my heart knowing that the ST has imprinted on the hearts of an entire generation of children who will defend it just as passionately as the misguided PT younglings that are now grown. ;)

Unfortunately no such children exist in any numbers. Only reddit Reylos who will be too busy rewatching Twilight.
 
How does that not also apply to TFA?

I actually don't think it applies to TFA. In that movie, Finn is willing to do brave and dangerous things right from the beginning (escaping in the TIE). But he never commits an act of bravery for anything other than escaping or protecting Rey. When he leaves Maz's castle, he even committed himself to leaving Rey and the Resistance because she was presumably safe with Han.

Finn was determined to run away because of his fear of the FO. And he didn't stay out of bravery, or to join the fight. He stayed because the FO attacked before he could leave. Then he saw them take Rey. Joining up with the Resistance, and going to Starkiller, was all still to save Rey. That's it. No loftier ambition, and no greater purpose. Just devotion to Rey.

At the end of TFA, Finn stood up to Kylo in the lightsaber duel. Again, that was another brave thing to do; but he only did it because Kylo was trying to kill Rey. Then Finn went into the coma. When TLJ picks up where TFA left off, Finn's motives haven't evolved when he wakes up. He's still the guy who would've been happy to run away, but was willing to put his neck (or spine) on the line for Rey. That's exactly what he was doing at the beginning of TLJ: Ditching the Resistance with the singular focus of being there for Rey.

By the time we see Finn willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good, it's because he actually evolved during TLJ. His bravery manifested for more than just running away or saving Rey. He was now a full-fledged fighter for the Resistance, and any victory (no matter how ultimately insignificant) against the FO was now worth giving up his life for.

So, Finn at the end of TFA = 1.) still a guy willing to run away, 2.) not actually part of the Resistance, and 3.) willing to be brave for his or Rey's safety. At the end of TLJ, however, all cowardice and selfishness are gone. Finn was no longer just driven by safety for either himself or Rey, but rather had become an invested member of a fight against tyranny. Willing to die for a greater cause. Big difference, IMO.

And in the beginning of TLJ he wasn't "wanting to run away as a coward." That was Rose's misconception. Don't be a Rose. :)

Yeah, I agree with you that Finn wasn't really being a coward when he tried to leave in the escape pod. But, he was driven by selfish motives in his willingness to ditch all the others.

Right from his first line of dialogue in TLJ ("Where's Rey?"), it was made abundantly clear that Finn was still singularly focused on making sure Rey was okay. He wasn't thinking about the Resistance or the fight against the First Order; he was just there for Rey.

Getting to the escape pod wasn't for the purpose of fleeing himself from the battle. He was taking the tracking beacon away from the ship so that Rey wouldn't return to a death trap. That's not cowardice, but it's the same level of nobility (lack thereof) that he had *throughout* TFA. Finn in TFA was always willing to stick his neck out for Rey, but not for any other purpose.
 
Rj reverted finn back to being a coward all his character growth in tfa erased so at the point, jj had nothing left to do with him in tros any kind of huge change in character at that point would have felt abrupt. I mean he went from being a coward to hero back to coward again trn back to hero and love interest for rosey who he never liked to begin with. Most awkward kiss ever filmed on screen

Tfa he is stormtrooper who wants out, at first he helsp but really its only to escape- he is a coward then after the bar scene and rey gets captured he makes a choice to become a hero and try and save her. Soon as tlj starts all that is forgoton and he is trying to run away again- back to being a coward complete waist of his arc but again he signed up for the role knowing damn well he wasnt a lead character

All Finn does in the TFA after meting Rey is chasing after her, he needed his arc in TLJ to actually mature and take a side in the war.
TFA: Finn just do things for Rey, he does not know who he is or what should he do besides that.
TLJ: Finn is still chasing Rey, but the difference is, after he finish his arc in Canto Bight he grows as a character and start to do things with his own mind, he is fightir in the side of the Resistence because he actually thinks is the right thing to do, yes Rose Tico did the same thing to Finn as leia did for Han solo in between ANH and ESB

So yes RJ did more to Finn than JJ abrams, who made the only stormtrooper who work as a ****ing janitor to be a black man Finn was born as a racist joke
 
Get your HT Jet Trooper now... it will be worth a fortune in 20 years because barely anyone will buy let alone keep this crap now.

Unlike the gorge of OT junk Lucas made and remade over and over that has completely devalued the collectors market for all that POTF stuff.
 
Which is exactly what people said about the PT children. Just wait. Too many people went to these and took their kids. The cycle will repeat. It is inevitable.

The ST already has a HUGE head start because there already are adults that enjoy them.

The PT had to start from scratch because all adults hated them on release lol
 
Which is exactly what people said about the PT children. Just wait. Too many people went to these and took their kids. The cycle will repeat. It is inevitable.

It's true the PT was not well received by a large amount of SW fans. But it was never hated in the way the ST has been. I have a hard time accepting a lot of the PT but I still accept it as a precursor to the OT in a general sense and even collect some of the figures. I could never do the same with the ST. I don't think you can expect the same thing to happen with the ST in regards to children. It will die waiting for a cavalry that never arrives.
 
It's true the PT was not well received by a large amount of SW fans. But it was never hated in the way the ST has been. I have a hard time accepting a lot of the PT but I still accept it as a precursor to the OT in a general sense and even collect some of the figures. I could never do the same with the ST. I don't think you can expect the same thing to happen with the ST in regards to children. It will die waiting for a cavalry that never arrives.

The ST will only dies if Disney want, if they continue Rey's Story the ST will never dies just like the PT or even the OT.

They have to adapt the Invasion arc and the Legacy from the legends canon. They have good characters and actors,they just need a good story.

Lets not forget that Rey end up similar to Luke in the OT.
 
They will certainly have a much easier time defending the ST than what the PT grown kids had to endure that was like their D-Day, Saving Private Doomcock lol

Ducky soldier guy: Was I a good man...

Lol huh? Anytime someone defends the ST they get destroyed just like you two. Every single time. Ducky crushes you ST apologist all the time and the only comeback you have is but it has OT characters so therefore better. Get outta here lol
 
The ST already has a HUGE head start because there already are adults that enjoy them.

The PT had to start from scratch because all adults hated them on release lol

Stop. More like OT purist like you who didn?t like change and cried when it wasn?t what you wanted. Now look. The st is trash and the PT is more accepted than the ST ever will be
 
Oh boo hoo for him. Janet Leigh was made out to be the star of Psycho until being killed off 20 minutes into the movie and it was a career defining role for her. John Boyega had one of the biggest roles in SW outside of the OT core six.

He had more screen time in the ST than all the OT Legacy heroes. More overall screen time than Billy Dee in the OT. Or Liam Neeson.
Or SLJ. Or Hayden Christensen. What a freaking whiner, lol.

Meh. He still should of been the main character over boring ass rey
 
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