Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

jye4ever · Dec 10, 2018

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:lol

That was not a pretty week I was grumpy to everyone around me lol

TFA Han > ROTJ Han

:chase

ajp4mgs · Dec 10, 2018

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Khev said:
The ending of ROTJ vindicated every loss and trial that came before (including those suffered in new entries like RO and Solo.) How will Episode IX do the same?

By showing that just because darkness returns after light had extinguished it doesn't make the previous effort wasted. In fact, quite the contrary. In our real world, the struggle to win WWI wasn't any less of a stellar achievement just because fewer than 30 years later there was another World War. Those heroes, and their sacrifices, didn't mean any less. Many of them lived to see WWII take place, and stood on as inspiration. And some of them even groomed the heroes who fought that next one.

The triumph of good over evil (in any galaxy) is like passing a baton. You just have to keep increasing the lead, and giving the next generation an easier go of it. And if you were so great that your run ends up being the most memorable, and gets the most glory, all the better.

jye4ever said:
Leia is my heart
Luke is my brain
Han is my pecker

I can’t speak poorly of any of them lol

Greatest. Post. Ever.

Wor-Gar · Dec 10, 2018

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What's your Chewie then?

aa909 · Dec 10, 2018

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RJ screwed the pooch so hard in TLJ it will take a miracle for JJ to save Ep9. I've got very low expectations and I'll wait for true fan reviews (not paid "critic" reviews) before deciding whether I even see it in theaters.

BTW is RJ still slated to write and direct the next SW trilogy or has disney/lucasfilms wised up?

a-dev · Dec 10, 2018

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Khev said:
In a way it's like what you often say about having Arnold play a "good" Terminator after T2. You can accept it as a clever counterpoint to the first film *once* but when they get into reruns the concept loses it's luster.

With SW the OT gave us the good guys toppling the bad regime and the PT showed us the bad toppling the good (with good ultimately winning because of the reverse order of the narrative.) Yin and yang with each trilogy giving a unique take on the conflict (putting aside the PT's issues with filmmaking execution for a moment.) But now the ST is simultaneously undoing and copying what came before. It's easy to accept something like that when it's a full reboot (like multiple takes on Bruce Wayne's parents being murdered for instance) but when it's a continuation of the established narrative? Eh....

I hate to say it because in and of themselves I like TFA and TLJ but that's where they falter IMO.

Or to put it more eloquently: "Hrmphh," lol.

Indeed. Considering the PT/OT dynamic of Rise of an Empire/Fall of an Empire the ST will ultimately have this tacked-on feel as a piece of storytelling. I mean what do you call it? Ooop, it's not dead yet, look behind you! It's like the last cheap scare in a slasher movie that Scream parodied. Pfff. No, not worth ruining the happy ending of ROTJ for.

But look, it's OK, personal canons are allowed. This is simply why I personally will probably never accept the sequels. I would have to work too hard to see merit in them considering what they've done to the previous conclusion that I was quite content with.

Khev · Dec 10, 2018

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jye4ever said:
TFA Han > ROTJ Han

Yes absolutely and that's one of the reasons that the ST will always have merit regardless of whether my OCD allows it into my head canon, lol.

ajp4mgs said:
By showing that just because darkness returns after light had extinguished it doesn't make the previous effort wasted. In fact, quite the contrary. In our real world, the struggle to win WWI wasn't any less of a stellar achievement just because fewer than 30 years later there was another World War. Those heroes, and their sacrifices, didn't mean any less. Many of them lived to see WWII take place, and stood on as inspiration. And some of them even groomed the heroes who fought that next one.

The triumph of good over evil (in any galaxy) is like passing a baton. You just have to keep increasing the lead, and giving the next generation an easier go of it. And if you were so great that your run ends up being the most memorable, and gets the most glory, all the better.

A very valid way of looking at the ST and one I've presented myself in its defense. And if Han, Luke, and Leia were "real" then their sad ends in the ST wouldn't take away anything from who they were and might make me even more impressed with them in some respects (like with the legendary Stan Lee's crappy last couple of years.)

But for fictional heroes in a movie series that is such unadulterated escapism I don't know that any of the "relatable" woes that befall them post-OT can trump the pure and satisfying catharsis of watching them triumph and "live happily ever after." Just my take.

Johnny Utah · Dec 10, 2018

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New footage this month possibly the first trailer. Anything is better than that atrocity last December.

Khev · Dec 10, 2018

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a-dev said:
Indeed. Considering the PT/OT dynamic of Rise of an Empire/Fall of an Empire the ST will ultimately have this tacked-on feel as a piece of storytelling. I mean what do you call it? Ooop, it's not dead yet, look behind you! It's like the last cheap scare in a slasher movie that Scream parodied. Pfff. No, not worth ruining the happy ending of ROTJ for.

The FO = Karl from Die Hard coming back at the end
Rey = Al

Except imagine the downer if Karl had first blown away John and Holly before Al took him out...

jye4ever · Dec 10, 2018

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ajp4mgs said:
By showing that just because darkness returns after light had extinguished it doesn't make the previous effort wasted. In fact, quite the contrary. In our real world, the struggle to win WWI wasn't any less of a stellar achievement just because fewer than 30 years later there was another World War. Those heroes, and their sacrifices, didn't mean any less. Many of them lived to see WWII take place, and stood on as inspiration. And some of them even groomed the heroes who fought that next one.

The triumph of good over evil (in any galaxy) is like passing a baton. You just have to keep increasing the lead, and giving the next generation an easier go of it. And if you were so great that your run ends up being the most memorable, and gets the most glory, all the better.

Greatest. Post. Ever.

Your post is just a tad bit better than mine yeah just a tad bit lol

Wor-Gar said:
What's your Chewie then?

Right next to Han where he belongs lol

Thankfully my wife refers to her V’Ger as the Khambatta. :lol

Khev said:
Yes absolutely and that's one of the reasons that the ST will always have merit regardless of whether my OCD allows it into my head canon, lol.

A very valid way of looking at the ST and one I've presented myself in its defense. And if Han, Luke, and Leia were "real" then their sad ends in the ST wouldn't take away anything from who they were and might make me even more impressed with them in some respects (like with the legendary Stan Lee's crappy last couple of years.)

But for fictional heroes in a movie series that is such unadulterated escapism I don't know that any of the "relatable" woes that befall them post-OT can trump the pure and satisfying catharsis of watching them triumph and "live happily ever after." Just my take.

I’m a hypocrite anyways I have no qualms trashing ROTJ Han and Vader :lol

That was quite the post from ajp though.

Me thinks a-dev has some splaining to do after that lol

jye4ever · Dec 10, 2018

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Chakor said:

What, 3 1/4 is perfectly reasonable for an epic finale besides have you ever seen the end credits in a sw movie they’re super long lol

a-dev · Dec 10, 2018

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Jye, what Khev said here would be my response to ajp's post

But for fictional heroes in a movie series that is such unadulterated escapism I don't know that any of the "relatable" woes that befall them post-OT can trump the pure and satisfying catharsis of watching them triumph and "live happily ever after." Just my take.

Sure, ultimately we're all going to die, in some cases in sad or even tragic circumstances. That doesn't need to make its way into all of our fiction though.

Khev said:
The FO = Karl from Die Hard coming back at the end
Rey = Al

Except imagine the downer if Karl had first blown away John and Holly before Al took him out...

jye4ever · Dec 10, 2018

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ajp4mgs · Dec 10, 2018

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a-dev said:
Sure, ultimately we're all going to die, in some cases in sad or even tragic circumstances. That doesn't need to make its way into all of our fiction though.

There's no question that the "happily ever after" ending has major appeal for a saga as beloved as Star Wars. But that doesn't make it the only acceptable one. In the back of many of our minds, we never fully expected that the "happily" part would last "ever after" for the OT heroes after ROTJ anyway. In fact, some of the EU "sequel" material took that same thinking as a basis for the continuing adventures of Han, Luke, and Leia. Even Lucas would have gone in a similar direction (in terms of dark challenges returning to the lives of the OT heroes) with a sequel trilogy.

Evil doesn't just go away, and neither would the Dark Side of the Force. It wouldn't just be happy Han and Leia raising babies, having Uncle Luke over for dinner, and playing with their pet Ewoks. The Jedi were needed for generations before Luke - and would likely be needed for generations after. His role/legacy would be to leave one (or more) ready to continue the Order going forward. But how we'd end up there would more than likely be a bumpy ride.

Besides, Disney will go out of their way to still secure a happy ending. A redeemed (but dead) Kylo; a full contingent of Skywalker ghosts (while appeasing different audience preferences); Ewoks; and perhaps a little something to convert a portion of Disney's broader audience. Everybody wins. :lol

C'mon, a-dev, you gotta give it a chance.

jye4ever said:

Wor-Gar · Dec 10, 2018

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jye4ever said:
Thankfully my wife refers to her V’Ger as the Khambatta.

Bald is beautiful.

Khev · Dec 10, 2018

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jye4ever said:
I’m a hypocrite anyways I have no qualms trashing ROTJ Han and Vader

As am I since I want these films to feature gritty war like RO and ESB yet contradictorily still be a grand fairy tale, lol.

No matter what though as long as Episode IX's opening scroll take's a-dev idea to start with the word "Somehow..." then it'll be instantly canon no matter what happens. :lol

jye4ever · Dec 10, 2018

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Wor-Gar said:
Bald is beautiful.

Best advise my grandma ever gave me.

Khev said:
As am I since I want these films to feature gritty war like RO and ESB yet contradictorily still be a grand fairy tale, lol.

No matter what though as long as Episode IX's opening scroll take's a-dev idea to start with the word "Somehow..." then it'll be instantly canon no matter what happens.