Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[xipotec]

One of my most recent gigs was for a relatively high profile corporation that gets a fair bit of press.

On a *daily basis* I was under strict orders of diplomacy, brand messaging and deference to the PR department. Saying what I actually thought about anything was laughable.

Everything was contractually enforced. I no longer work for them and I still can't talk about them thanks to legally enforced final idemnity clauses I signed when I left.

The carrot is money and lawsuits are the stick. Every damn time. And I wasn't working with a multi-billion dollar entertainment juggernaut.

Moreover -- had I not signed certain papers and started shooting my mouth off, I would have immediately hurt my future employment opportunities. Oh hello, Stick.

No different in most businesses. So why these folks seem to think they can say what they want, is beyond me.


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[jye4ever]

This is real deal AEG spoilers have been leaked with real footage be very careful surfing the net and on YT thankfully I avoided them.

 

[Khev]

One thing that makes TROS special from the get go is not seeing a single frame of the finished film until that first shot of Daisy standing in the desert. Since I watched it live like many here I didn't even so much as see a YouTube thumbnail image as a preview. Then not having any idea what the title was right up until Palpatine's laugh as the logo separated to reveal "The Rise of Skywalker."

I'm not saying its the best title in the world or that the movie is guaranteed to be the greatest thing ever but it was awesome to experience those first scenes and title 100% cold.

 

[ArtDamage]

The "To the End" TV spot for anyone that doesn't want to search for it. Put in spoilers just in case, but its nothing new. Really cool edit of old footage though. I'm extra hyped now.

Spoiler

 

[Khev]

LFL employees are scrambling to cobble together a "To the End" SW supertrailer featuring Jar Jar, kid Ani, kid Boba, twirling Palpatine, Vader "Noooo", Han stepping on Jabba's tale, sleepy time Vader requesting that the Star Destroyer be alerted to his arrival, Jabba dance number, Maz Kanata, and kamikaze Rose, lol.

 

[ArtDamage]

LFL employees are scrambling to cobble together a "To the End" SW supertrailer featuring Jar Jar, kid Ani, kid Boba, twirling Palpatine, Vader "Noooo", Han stepping on Jabba's tale, sleepy time Vader requesting that the Star Destroyer be alerted to his arrival, Jabba dance number, Maz Kanata, and kamikaze Rose, lol.

Jye photoshop job just waiting to happen.

 

[Jabba]

You can call me man swine but every normal man only can identify with movies like Rambo, Predator, Indiana Jones and OT Star Wars...
How i can identify with Ray in Star Wars?
No way!
That is source where is all goes down. And it cant be repaired. Only i can except is Rogue One but there was other characters that made that movie watchable (Director Krennic).
And i watched RO 4 times in the cinema. TLJ i couldnt watch even twice.
My wish was to let Nolan make another Star Wars triolgy but my dream left only dream.
I can say only that all PT and new Triolgy was DISASTER.
Every time i think about George Lucas his American Graffiti is on my mind. Such a great movie and actors and when i think about PT triolgy and acting I got sick.
Please dont make compromise between man and woman because we are different. Anyone who is married knows what i talking about. we are different world and that is fact. Thats why i like females because of differences.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Bring on the freaking ewoks, tighten up this whole Saga and show us how the FO is all a byproduct of Palpatine's final contingency to regain lost power.

For better or worse I'm never going to have this level of excitement for upcoming SW releases ever again and I'm freaking loving every minute of it.

Palpatine's contingency is already in canon. It was described in the TLJ novelization. In fact, many of the clues about what we're starting to see develop about TROS have been dropped in the novels and comics in Disney's "official" canon since TFA. Most people don't read those, so it's easy for them to assume that the LFL story group didn't have a plan all along. But the seeds have been planted, and there are a lot of signs pointing to where this story has been going all along.

I've said it repeatedly here: this was always going to be a trilogy, and therefore can only be fairly judged when all three parts can be seen as one full story. As a planned trilogy, it only makes sense that Act One would set things up and create mystery about what will happen; Act Two would then need to turn things a bit upside down (while dropping a few hints) and leave the possible outcome wide open to offer suspense; and Act Three brings it all together to give purpose and resolution to what came before.

Palpatine has been playing an increasingly important role in the novels and comics lately. I think it's legit that there's been a general outline in place for where this was all going. Here's the page from the TLJ novel that deals with Palpatine's Contingency, and what role Snoke played. I highlighted the most relevant bits.



And here's the next page after that. It spells out the role of Luke (and the Skywalkers in general) in the context of the power grab going on in the ST.



I think the "Unknown Regions" of the SW galaxy are going to be a key part of TROS. I think that's where Snoke had been training the Knights of Ren, where a lot of this was unfolding, and why we haven't been given much info on the origins of Snoke and the FO. I'm not happy about where I think some of this is will end up, but at least there will be more of a sense of a grander plan from LFL for the ST story all along. Though, some fans will deny that no matter what. And that's fine.

 

[chewblacca]

So it seems JJ is following the title sequence that Lucas started Revenge of the Sith, ROS , Regurn of the Jedi ROTJ, and now Rise of Skywalker ROS.

 

[jye4ever]

Palpatine's contingency is already in canon. It was described in the TLJ novelization. In fact, many of the clues about what we're starting to see develop about TROS have been dropped in the novels and comics in Disney's "official" canon since TFA. Most people don't read those, so it's easy for them to assume that the LFL story group didn't have a plan all along. But the seeds have been planted, and there are a lot of signs pointing to where this story has been going all along.

I've said it repeatedly here: this was always going to be a trilogy, and therefore can only be fairly judged when all three parts can be seen as one full story. As a planned trilogy, it only makes sense that Act One would set things up and create mystery about what will happen; Act Two would then need to turn things a bit upside down (while dropping a few hints) and leave the possible outcome wide open to offer suspense; and Act Three brings it all together to give purpose and resolution to what came before.

Palpatine has been playing an increasingly important role in the novels and comics lately. I think it's legit that there's been a general outline in place for where this was all going. Here's the page from the TLJ novel that deals with Palpatine's Contingency, and what role Snoke played. I highlighted the most relevant bits.

View attachment 450647

And here's the next page after that. It spells out the role of Luke (and the Skywalkers in general) in the context of the power grab going on in the ST.

View attachment 450648

I think the "Unknown Regions" of the SW galaxy are going to be a key part of TROS. I think that's where Snoke had been training the Knights of Ren, where a lot of this was unfolding, and why we haven't been given much info on the origins of Snoke and the FO. I'm not happy about where I think some of this is will end up, but at least there will be more of a sense of a grander plan from LFL for the ST story all along. Though, some fans will deny that no matter what. And that's fine.

If it’s not in the movie it doesn’t matter.

 

[xipotec]

You can call me man swine but every normal man only can identify with movies like Rambo, Predator, Indiana Jones and OT Star Wars...
How i can identify with Ray in Star Wars?
No way!
That is source where is all goes down. And it cant be repaired. Only i can except is Rogue One but there was other characters that made that movie watchable (Director Krennic).
And i watched RO 4 times in the cinema. TLJ i couldnt watch even twice.
My wish was to let Nolan make another Star Wars triolgy but my dream left only dream.
I can say only that all PT and new Triolgy was DISASTER.
Every time i think about George Lucas his American Graffiti is on my mind. Such a great movie and actors and when i think about PT triolgy and acting I got sick.
Please dont make compromise between man and woman because we are different. Anyone who is married knows what i talking about. we are different world and that is fact. Thats why i like females because of differences.

Are actually claiming you cannot enjoy a story without a lead male character?


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[ajp4mgs]

If it’s not in the movie it doesn’t matter.

I understand that. And I think the ST movie story will make sense just fine without the material in the novels and comics. All I'm saying is that those supplementary materials are being written with a bigger picture in mind. They connect to a larger story with a general plan that has been in place. I don't consider it mere coincidence that Palpatine has become more prominent in those supplementary materials leading up to his reveal in TROS.

For me, I consider the connections in the novels and comics to be rewards for fans who bothered to check them out when they see how those "easter eggs" come into play when the saga ends as they are sitting there watching TROS.

 

[Jabba]

Are actually claiming you cannot enjoy a story without a lead male character?


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

Sorry but not movies like this. Even Tomb Rider was sh..! Ray stronger then Kylo Ren? No way.
Just look torso of Kylo

 

[xipotec]

I understand that. And I think the ST movie story will make sense just fine without the material in the novels and comics. All I'm saying is that those supplementary materials are being written with a bigger picture in mind. They connect to a larger story with a general plan that has been in place. I don't consider it mere coincidence that Palpatine has become more prominent in those supplementary materials leading up to his reveal in TROS.

For me, I consider the connections in the novels and comics to be rewards for fans who bothered to check them out when they see how those "easter eggs" come into play when the saga ends as they are sitting there watching TROS.

Yup, same here. Although alot if the supplement material lately is pulpy trash.




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[Khev]

Palpatine's contingency is already in canon. It was described in the TLJ novelization. In fact, many of the clues about what we're starting to see develop about TROS have been dropped in the novels and comics in Disney's "official" canon since TFA. Most people don't read those, so it's easy for them to assume that the LFL story group didn't have a plan all along. But the seeds have been planted, and there are a lot of signs pointing to where this story has been going all along.

I've said it repeatedly here: this was always going to be a trilogy, and therefore can only be fairly judged when all three parts can be seen as one full story. As a planned trilogy, it only makes sense that Act One would set things up and create mystery about what will happen; Act Two would then need to turn things a bit upside down (while dropping a few hints) and leave the possible outcome wide open to offer suspense; and Act Three brings it all together to give purpose and resolution to what came before.

Palpatine has been playing an increasingly important role in the novels and comics lately. I think it's legit that there's been a general outline in place for where this was all going. Here's the page from the TLJ novel that deals with Palpatine's Contingency, and what role Snoke played. I highlighted the most relevant bits.

View attachment 450647

And here's the next page after that. It spells out the role of Luke (and the Skywalkers in general) in the context of the power grab going on in the ST.

View attachment 450648

I think the "Unknown Regions" of the SW galaxy are going to be a key part of TROS. I think that's where Snoke had been training the Knights of Ren, where a lot of this was unfolding, and why we haven't been given much info on the origins of Snoke and the FO. I'm not happy about where I think some of this is will end up, but at least there will be more of a sense of a grander plan from LFL for the ST story all along. Though, some fans will deny that no matter what. And that's fine.

Yes as I mentioned to Prime Clone earlier I recall those same seeds in the Shattered Empire comic and then was actually pretty surprised when it seemed TFA and especially TLJ were completely ignoring all of that, which was a pity IMO because Palpatine's contingencies hearken back to George's original ST plans as well as the Dark Empire comic miniseries.

I'm just glad that TROS appears to be righting the ship (assuming the ship was going off course in the first place which I'm sure even as a fan of TLJ you'd be inclined to acknowledge was a course that RJ at least had no interest in following whatsoever.)

But thanks for posting the TLJ pages because I wasn't aware of those mentions there.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Yes as I mentioned to Prime Clone earlier I recall those same seeds in the Shattered Empire comic and then was actually pretty surprised when it seemed TFA and especially TLJ were completely ignoring all of that, which was a pity IMO because Palpatine's contingencies hearken back to George's original ST plans as well as the Dark Empire comic miniseries.

Just because the seeds planted in stories like Shattered Empire didn't manifest in TFA and TLJ doesn't mean they weren't always meant to connect to Episode 9 all along. There's no compelling reason for the big reveals in TROS to have been spoiled by TFA or TLJ. The first two movies just needed to establish the key players, establish a central conflict, and make money. They did that. Having a more specific OT-related backstory to the conflict we've been watching is something that, frankly, works better if it's saved for the end.

I'm just glad that TROS appears to be righting the ship (assuming the ship was going off course in the first place which I'm sure even as a fan of TLJ you'd be inclined to acknowledge was a course that RJ at least had no interest in following whatsoever.)

I think RJ got more freedom than most would, but I think he was working under the general parameters that LFL had in mind for where this ST story was going. By all accounts, he worked very closely with KK and the LFL story group, but was being allowed to shape certain elements that wouldn't interfere with the key aspects of how Episode IX would end. I don't think he was going rogue with TLJ, or with where the end of the saga was meant to go; KK isn't shy about firing writers/directors if he were.

If I'm not mistaken, Colin Trevorrow started writing his version of Ep9 *after* RJ had finished writing TLJ. So it has always been a linear process, and LFL has been guiding things in both the movies and the other materials to connect with one main vision for the ST story. In fact, it was because Trevorrow wasn't seeing eye to eye with LFL's vision for how to end the saga that he had to be replaced.

I know you will disagree with this, but RJ knows what he's doing. He trimmed some of JJ's "mystery box" concepts that would have potentially made for a convoluted mess, and cleared the way for a more streamlined and focused final chapter. He did what needed to be done from a storytelling point of view. And I would have to believe that he did it while not breaking from the broader LFL outline for the ST. To believe otherwise is just tinfoil hat stuff, imo.

But thanks for posting the TLJ pages because I wasn't aware of those mentions there.

Very glad to. I think the Palpatine Contingency references being in the TLJ novelization backs up the notion that there's been a consistent (if perhaps vague) general plan in place for what we'll see unfold in December.

 

[Prime Clone]

Speaking of supplemental material, the upcoming Finn one-shot comic will tackle the big issues:

 

[jye4ever]

Just because the seeds planted in stories like Shattered Empire didn't manifest in TFA and TLJ doesn't mean they weren't always meant to connect to Episode 9 all along. There's no compelling reason for the big reveals in TROS to have been spoiled by TFA or TLJ. The first two movies just needed to establish the key players, establish a central conflict, and make money. They did that. Having a more specific OT-related backstory to the conflict we've been watching is something that, frankly, works better if it's saved for the end.



I think RJ got more freedom than most would, but I think he was working under the general parameters that LFL had in mind for where this ST story was going. By all accounts, he worked very closely with KK and the LFL story group, but was being allowed to shape certain elements that wouldn't interfere with the key aspects of how Episode IX would end. I don't think he was going rogue with TLJ, or with where the end of the saga was meant to go; KK isn't shy about firing writers/directors if he were.

If I'm not mistaken, Colin Trevorrow started writing his version of Ep9 *after* RJ had finished writing TLJ. So it has always been a linear process, and LFL has been guiding things in both the movies and the other materials to connect with one main vision for the ST story. In fact, it was because Trevorrow wasn't seeing eye to eye with LFL's vision for how to end the saga that he had to be replaced.

I know you will disagree with this, but RJ knows what he's doing. He trimmed some of JJ's "mystery box" concepts that would have potentially made for a convoluted mess, and cleared the way for a more streamlined and focused final chapter. He did what needed to be done from a storytelling point of view. And I would have to believe that he did it while not breaking from the broader LFL outline for the ST. To believe otherwise is just tinfoil hat stuff, imo.



Very glad to. I think the Palpatine Contingency references being in the TLJ novelization backs up the notion that there's been a consistent (if perhaps vague) general plan in place for what we'll see unfold in December.

What’s crazy is that before TLJ RJ was loved and respected in the broader geek sphere the guy was rapidly climbing the ranks of respected directors.

Then Rose/Holdo happened lol

 

[ajp4mgs]

What’s crazy is that before TLJ RJ was loved and respected in the broader geek sphere the guy was rapidly climbing the ranks of respected directors.

Then Rose/Holdo happened lol

I think the people who matter in the film industry (the executives who hire, and who fund projects) understand his talent level. But now, his name is synonymous with pissing off fans. He might never regain the trajectory his career might have otherwise been headed in. Knives Out, and then perhaps his SW trilogy (though I still highly doubt it'll happen), will likely be held back a bit by how he was characterized by some of the loudest SW fandom. And he didn't do himself any favors with his social media nonsense.

I'm still mystified by how much of a rallying cry Rose has become for people who hate TLJ and RJ. She was annoying, and really served no purpose to the larger story, but damn!, get over it. She doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things, so who cares?

 

[Khev]

I think the people who matter in the film industry (the executives who hire, and who fund projects) understand his talent level. But now, his name is synonymous with pissing off fans. He might never regain the trajectory his career might have otherwise been headed in. Knives Out, and then perhaps his SW trilogy (though I still highly doubt it'll happen), will likely be held back a bit by how he was characterized by some of the loudest SW fandom. And he didn't do himself any favors with his social media nonsense.

I'm still mystified by how much of a rallying cry Rose has become for people who hate TLJ and RJ. She was annoying, and really served no purpose to the larger story, but damn!, get over it. She doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things, so who cares?

I think that Rose hate is overblown. Just this past weekend the same crowd that openly laughed at digs against KK and RJ gave her a standing ovation. She has some of the silliest lines and attitudes in the movie but you're right, like Jar Jar and Pod Racers she's completely compartmentalized away from the top tier heroes and villains and doesn't diminish them. Also for her part Kellie Marie Tran turns in a decent performance.

She's just fun to call out and post gifs about on forums like this. I'm not annoyed at all that she'll be returning and think she even has a good look for the next film.

Compared to Jango Fett and AOTC Boba who I loathe entirely and whom I refuse to acknowledge even exist, lol.