Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Prime Clone]

JJ did keep RJ's concept of Force Ghosts interacting with reality - Luke catching his saber etc (the opposite of tossing it!)

 

[screamingmetal]

A little mental gymnastics is all that's needed to like the ST films.

JJ did keep RJ's concept of Force Ghosts interacting with reality - Luke catching his saber etc (the opposite of tossing it!)

Yeah JJ came up with that. Rian Johnson who?

 

[Mandible]

JJ did keep RJ's concept of Force Ghosts interacting with reality - Luke catching his saber etc (the opposite of tossing it!)

And the comment - that was a slap in Rian's face - something about "you shouldn't throw a lightsaber around so frivolously."

 

[SilverStar17]

And the comment - that was a slap in Rian's face - something about "you shouldn't throw a lightsaber around so frivolously."

Even though I liked Luke in TLJ, that’s one scene I definitely would not have had. I would have had him simply not accept it and walk away, or take it and lock it up in his hut, only to then give it back to Rey before she left Ahch-To, saying something like “here you might need this” out of pity.

More the former though.

 

[Nailz]

if baby yoda can use the force , and boom boy does as well

why did did child Rey not stop her parents ship like she did in this movie with the spaceship?

 

[greedo737]

if baby yoda can use the force , and boom boy does as well

why did did child Rey not stop her parents ship like she did in this movie with the spaceship?

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[DarkChocobi]

This whole damn Sequel is truly a joke, pathetic Palp lol. Clown Trilogy

 

[jedibear]

Just got home from seeing it.

What a mess.

I'll read through some of the reactions here...I'm curious to see if I'm alone in my view of this as a major disappointment.

I know I'm in the minority in saying this in here but I didn't mind many of the choices that Johnson made in TLJ, especially when it came to where Rey and Kylo were left.

JJ took the baton back and completely lost any nerve, putting them both back in the conventional boxes where they started. I loved the idea that Rey was "nobody", She wasn't the spawn of some special lineage, just a young woman who had force abilities. JJ turned her into a marvel superhero who could do anything, turned the force into magic and made her the ultimate Mary Sue. It leeched any potential for personality out of her, leaving at the end the perfect Disney princess, right down to getting the Sleeping Beauty kiss of life from her neutered prince.

And Kylo had cut himself (literally) a path to power that answered to no one, not his family legacy, not Snoke or the Sith. What a place to take off from! It was exciting to think of the places his rage and conflicted spirit could take him.
Instead, he's turned into a lovesick puppy pining after Rey to join him. Conventional and boring, the character stuck in the same boring pointless treasure hunt as everyone else.

The whole Palpatine thing was just awful. Shoehorned in by writers with no imagination to take it to a different place than just repeating the same old thing.
Before anybody says "but George did that too" please remember, love or hate them, the prequels had a beginning, middle and end. And Star Wars isn't his anymore. The current owners should be able to muster up something other than familiar repetition.

Incoherent action, scenes strung together in a lets-get-to-the-next-level-of-this-game fashion while chasing mcguffins that don't really do anything other than provide fodder for the treasure hunt. More unanswered questions at the end of it all as the flimsy "mystery box" folds in upon itself. One wonders if the people behind the scenes just threw their hands up and said "let's just get through this".

The Carrie scenes were creepy, the HF scene was really creepy with that bad wig and the strange look to his eyes. Some effects looked almost unfinished while most looked good but were lost in the overstuffed scenes. Hamil looked like he phoned it in. At least Billy Dee brought some life to his brief appearance. The only genuine earned emotion were two scenes with Chewbacca. The rest was flat. No chemistry with these people at all.

I could go on but you get the picture. This movie was a huge disappointment to me. I knew not to expect much with Abrams back in the chair, but I held out hope he would rise to the occasion. Instead, he has just proven himself right again...he is really bad with endings.

I know many folks in here have found themselves at this place at one time or another with this saga, be it the quality of the prequels or the direction of this sequel trilogy. I have always managed to find something to enjoy in all of the different movies (alright I think TFA is a stinker too, but NOT this bad). I now find myself here at the end. I hated this vile, cynical, manipulative movie. Not the send-off I wanted to see for a saga I have loved since 1977.

Let's hope Abrams is too bored to do anymore with SW and that Disney holds off on putting SW movies out until they hire someone who can present a coherent, complete vision that has something fresh and new to present for this faraway galaxy we all love.

 

[The Buffinator]

How can kylo ren lose to rey again? Is he still injured from that chewie bow blaster shot?

His mum dying might have thrown him a little perhaps?

Exactly.

Spoiler

He actually held the upper hand vs. Rey - she was winded & had gone down on her knees in a defensive (almost defenseless) position, but right before Kylo was going to strike he heard/saw his mother and was distracted. It was at that point that Rey ran him through.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Snoke clones in a jar

I laughed so hard when I saw that.

And when did the Sith become so populated...? There were hundreds in that chanting crowd. Where'd they come from? Where did they land their ships? How far is the parking lot in that stadium? They all left at the same time -- gonna be hell getting out.

And since when did Palp-Lightning become more powerful then a Death Star laser? I mean, if Palps could always do that, why the hell did he need a fleet or two Death Stars?

The Sith is so zany now.




I think we're 5 minutes away from someone asking for a Nolan Star Wars.

 

[The Buffinator]

I laughed so hard when I saw that.

And when did the Sith become so populated...? There were hundreds in that chanting crowd. Where'd they come from? Where did they land their ships? How far is the parking lot in that stadium? They all left at the same time -- gonna be hell getting out.

And since when did Palp-Lightning become more powerful then a Death Star laser? I mean, if Palps could always do that, why the hell did he need a fleet or two Death Stars?

The Sith is so zany now.

I think we're 5 minutes away from someone asking for a Nolan Star Wars.

I got the impression those were manifestations of Sith spirits (either past ones or simply made up) that Palps conjured to help manipulate Rey into taking his throne.

But yes, his light show was amazingly powerful & spectacular. Maybe he draws power from that place like Hela did from Asgard? This movie was sub-titled Rey: Ragnarok after all...

 

[Ehollywood]

Went into the movie knowing every Leak thinking i was going to Hate it and i ended up Liking EP9. Liked it more then Last Jedi for sure.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I loved when Luke Skywalker saved the day and finally defeated Palp with the help of Kylo and Rey. Then I woke up, and saw a legless old man with a crane up his ass getting killed by his granddaughter, not the chosen one or an actual Skywalker.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Also, I'm officially changing my SSF name to The Clown Prince of Skywalker.

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Ironically that would still make more sense than TROSW since Hamill plays Joker.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Liked it more then Last Jedi for sure.

That does seem like the best anyone can muster so far.

Its kind of like saying the **** I took today is better than the **** I took yesterday.

 

[Asta]

Just got home from seeing it.

What a mess.

I'll read through some of the reactions here...I'm curious to see if I'm alone in my view of this as a major disappointment.

I know I'm in the minority in saying this in here but I didn't mind many of the choices that Johnson made in TLJ, especially when it came to where Rey and Kylo were left.

JJ took the baton back and completely lost any nerve, putting them both back in the conventional boxes where they started. I loved the idea that Rey was "nobody", She wasn't the spawn of some special lineage, just a young woman who had force abilities. JJ turned her into a marvel superhero who could do anything, turned the force into magic and made her the ultimate Mary Sue. It leeched any potential for personality out of her, leaving at the end the perfect Disney princess, right down to getting the Sleeping Beauty kiss of life from her neutered prince.

And Kylo had cut himself (literally) a path to power that answered to no one, not his family legacy, not Snoke or the Sith. What a place to take off from! It was exciting to think of the places his rage and conflicted spirit could take him.
Instead, he's turned into a lovesick puppy pining after Rey to join him. Conventional and boring, the character stuck in the same boring pointless treasure hunt as everyone else.

The whole Palpatine thing was just awful. Shoehorned in by writers with no imagination to take it to a different place than just repeating the same old thing.
Before anybody says "but George did that too" please remember, love or hate them, the prequels had a beginning, middle and end. And Star Wars isn't his anymore. The current owners should be able to muster up something other than familiar repetition.

Incoherent action, scenes strung together in a lets-get-to-the-next-level-of-this-game fashion while chasing mcguffins that don't really do anything other than provide fodder for the treasure hunt. More unanswered questions at the end of it all as the flimsy "mystery box" folds in upon itself. One wonders if the people behind the scenes just threw their hands up and said "let's just get through this".

The Carrie scenes were creepy, the HF scene was really creepy with that bad wig and the strange look to his eyes. Some effects looked almost unfinished while most looked good but were lost in the overstuffed scenes. Hamil looked like he phoned it in. At least Billy Dee brought some life to his brief appearance. The only genuine earned emotion were two scenes with Chewbacca. The rest was flat. No chemistry with these people at all.

I could go on but you get the picture. This movie was a huge disappointment to me. I knew not to expect much with Abrams back in the chair, but I held out hope he would rise to the occasion. Instead, he has just proven himself right again...he is really bad with endings.

I know many folks in here have found themselves at this place at one time or another with this saga, be it the quality of the prequels or the direction of this sequel trilogy. I have always managed to find something to enjoy in all of the different movies (alright I think TFA is a stinker too, but NOT this bad). I now find myself here at the end. I hated this vile, cynical, manipulative movie. Not the send-off I wanted to see for a saga I have loved since 1977.

Let's hope Abrams is too bored to do anymore with SW and that Disney holds off on putting SW movies out until they hire someone who can present a coherent, complete vision that has something fresh and new to present for this faraway galaxy we all love.

Yes, all of this.

The execution was far worse than the leaks could have implied.

From the beginning of the film I said I felt disinterested, and nothing dragged me any deeper than that. The whole Kylo story line has been ridiculous since TFA, and they try to make amends here by bringing in that weird Han Solo bit. Not a force ghost, but a literal ghost? Or in Ben's mind? But just there so Han can forgive his son, because he knew not what he did. He was merely possessed by the dark side, but now he's free - Kylo is gone and Ben is back. How trite. Kylo was a psychopathic man-child.

That's just one tiny aspect of the "mess".

All TROS has served to do is alienate me further from TFA and TLJ, consigning the Sequel Trilogy much more assuredly into that twilight zone of 'What If?' or 'Elseworlds'. They have no actual bearing on the story that precedes them. With these three movies Disney's dabbling with the universe that George built is so far removed that it's no wonder George wasn't at the latest premiere.

There will be good in them, but you have to extract it from the whole and quarantine it.

We're getting lucky with The Mandalorian, as we did with Rogue One and Solo, which largely feel in-keeping with the Lucas OT tradition. Whereas the Sequel Trilogy feels like a failed experiment, a mess composed by multiple writers at war with each other whilst under pressure to produce something to get on the screen. It's as though there were no guidelines to adhere to, and the mandate was, 'let's see how far we can take this before it breaks.'

"Flat" is an apt description. It covers the dialogue, acting, chemistry. The story is robbed of any significance with regards to it's place in the saga. It's a meaningless exercise utilising a group known characters, and with each of the sequels they undo a little more of the past.

 

[Wor-Gar]

the Sequel Trilogy feels like a failed experiment, a mess composed by multiple writers at war with each other whilst under pressure to produce something to get on the screen. It's as though there were no guidelines to adhere to...

THIS!

But thankfully, it is over. Its OVER!!! Now that's something for the Positivity Thread.

In two years, this will be barely spoken about. Maybe sooner, if Marvels upcoming failure's eclipse this debate.

 

[Saintv1]

The film broke it's own back trying to appease every wrongheaded fan complaint from TLJ (the best film on this trilogy), and shakes out as heartless, bland, meaningless dreck.

Abrams did what he always does and bled all the context out of the film, deftly evading what few opportunities there were for interesting lore in this fan-fiction quality plot.

Congrats to everyone whose shrieking response to TLJ got this movie made; I truly hope you enjoyed this slop more than I did.

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[ajp4mgs]

Dear George Lucas,

If by some miraculous quirk you ever read this, I just want to apologize. I'm sorry for all of the times that I ridiculed your prequel movies. I'm sorry for ever thinking that the Star Wars franchise would be better off in someone else's hands. I'm sorry that fans like me drove you away and made you resent the idea of continuing to be involved with the franchise.

I just watched . . .

Spoiler

a movie that actually had a plot device where a Jedi found a journey marker the same way that the Goonies once did. In this same movie, Sheev Palpatine used Force lightning so strong that it disabled an entire fleet of starships, and then seconds later had it blocked . . . by a lightsaber. I saw an OT TIE Fighter get pulled out of a character's ass and taken through hyperspace. And I witnessed some people applaud at the end of all of it.

I watched multiple characters using "Life Force" to heal and resurrect in such a casual way as if to suggest that every Force user that came before was stupid for not doing it in equally urgent circumstances. Luke was apparently stupid for not using it to save Anakin in ROTJ. Obi-Wan was stupid for not using it to save Qui-Gon. Anakin was stupid to not use it to save his mother. And he even turned to the dark side because he couldn't figure out what so many others seem to just be able to do as easily as passing gas. And I witnessed some people applaud at the end of all of it.

And I could go on . . . and on . . . and on . . .

Mr. Lucas if you also had to witness any of what I just did, you have my sincere sympathies. I'm sorry.

 

[TaliBane]

Wow, after all the reviews - and discussion/views on this here - I am SO super excited to see it tomorrow (had to wait for the buds....)

I really had little excitement for this, but the opinions have been all over the place, so fascinated to see it.

I'm now more excited to see this than almost any SW movie in nearly 20 years (yes I was excited to see TPM, but nothing much since, other than RO.)