Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[Sixth Scale Man]

Feels weird that I’m not pumped to see the OT in cinemas on May 4th.

 

[ZE_501]

Feels weird that I’m not pumped to see the OT in cinemas on May 4th.

Imagine a world where art simply moved on. There were only three Star Wars films, never tweaked, no SE versions.

And *we* all moved on. No "lore" factories churning out "content". No nerds crying on YouTube. Everything left to the imagination and what-might-have-been instead of boardrooms and algorithms. Each action figure an artefact of times gone by.

 

[a-dev]

Imagine a world where art simply moved on. There were only three Star Wars films, never tweaked, no SE versions.

And *we* all moved on. No "lore" factories churning out "content". No nerds crying on YouTube. Everything left to the imagination and what-might-have-been instead of boardrooms and algorithms. Each action figure an artefact of times gone by.

 

[jaztermareal]

Imagine a world where art simply moved on. There were only three Star Wars films, never tweaked, no SE versions.

And *we* all moved on. No "lore" factories churning out "content". No nerds crying on YouTube. Everything left to the imagination and what-might-have-been instead of boardrooms and algorithms. Each action figure an artefact of times gone by.

There is no issue with franchises continuing, the issue is the people making each new installment (or in Lucas case, the same person revising existing installments) are making poor quality trash. If wvery entry was good/great/excellent no one would tire. I mean, a great tv show can run for six 20 episode seasons and not get old so long as it is written well. Same goes for movies. Heck, after centuries we still enjoy Shakespear.


We need quality over quantity obviously yes, but if quality is maintained more quantity is good. I have eaten hundreds of steaks and burgers in my life, and look foreward to hundreds more good steaks and burgers if I am lucky to live long enough. I could watch and enjoy 200 Star Wars movies if they were all good. Problem is most Star Wars now is bad/barely passable.

 

[a-dev]

For the most part the very people who would be the most capable of making good movies in franchises are the people who.......have no desire to work in franchises.

 

[ZE_501]

Problem is most Star Wars now is bad/barely passable.

Imagine a world where art simply moved on. There were only three Star Wars films ...

 

[jye4ever]

Imagine a world where art simply moved on. There were only three Star Wars films ...

Then we wouldn’t have got the best Vader scene from RO

Or Baby Yoda playing with the ship controls the cutest little thing ever lol

 

[ZE_501]

Then we wouldn’t have got the best Vader scene from RO

Or Baby Yoda playing with the ship controls the cutest little thing ever lol

The best Vader scene will forever be his casual one-handed domination of Luke in Cloud City.

Baby Yoda is an animatronic shill for the Entertainment Industrial Complex that keeps us down! Wake up sheeple!

 

[wormlander]

The best Vader scene will forever be his casual one-handed domination of Luke in Cloud City.

Baby Yoda is an animatronic shill for the Entertainment Industrial Complex that keeps us down! Wake up sheeple!

I agree 100% with the best Vader scene. It's absolute perfection. At the same time I was more than happy to shill out for Mando seasons 1 & 2 on Blu-ray

 

[jaztermareal]

Andor was an example of very well made Star Wars, Rogue One while not perfect was good Star Wars. If all modern Star Wars was like those no one would be tired of it. Imagine a Kotor era movie with Andor level writing and RO level visuals. Disney Lucasfilm aren't the ones who will deliver such consistent quality though, they miss way more than they hit and Lucas is no better as he was already losing touch during ROTJ.

 

[Khev]

Imagine a world where art simply moved on. There were only three Star Wars films, never tweaked, no SE versions.

Or if Titanic barely broke even so that Cameron just went back to his wheelhouse of making R-rated sci-fi every 2-3 years. What films would we have today?

 

[choombaz]

Andor was an example of very well made Star Wars, Rogue One while not perfect was good Star Wars. If all modern Star Wars was like those no one would be tired of it. Imagine a Kotor era movie with Andor level writing and RO level visuals. Disney Lucasfilm aren't the ones who will deliver such consistent quality though, they miss way more than they hit and Lucas is no better as he was already losing touch during ROTJ.

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the same guy made Andor and helped get RO over the line.

And I don’t think he hadn’t ever seen any Star Wars before lol

I’m a Tony Gilroy shill
Sue me

 

[jaztermareal]

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the same guy made Andor and helped get RO over the line.

And I don’t think he hadn’t ever seen any Star Wars before lol

I’m a Tony Gilroy shill
Sue me

And that is the thing. Even in current year we could have consistent high quality Star Wars if only the right people were making it. Instead we had Rian Johnston, JJ Abrams, that dumb writer I forget the name of and Kathleen in charge of it all. The sequel trilogy sucked. While it looked great visually and had some decent casting/acting, the story, worldbuilding and a lot of the writing was worse than the previous low point (prequel trilogy). Sigh.

Hollywood, the place where people fail upwards through incompetence so they can gain control of the most beloved properties.


I wonder how South Korea would handle a Star Wars reboot??

 

[wormlander]

Andor was an example of very well made Star Wars, Rogue One while not perfect was good Star Wars. If all modern Star Wars was like those no one would be tired of it. Imagine a Kotor era movie with Andor level writing and RO level visuals. Disney Lucasfilm aren't the ones who will deliver such consistent quality though, they miss way more than they hit and Lucas is no better as he was already losing touch during ROTJ.

Nah, They most definitely would be. Making ALL Star Wars an insomnia curing thespian drama, or some gloomy Death Star revisionist footnote is hardly the cure for this franchise

 

[jaztermareal]

Nah, They most definitely would be. Making ALL Star Wars an insomnia curing thespian drama, or some gloomy Death Star revisionist footnote is hardly the cure for this franchise

Where did I mention tone? I said Andor level writing and rogue one visuals. You could have a light hearted adventure tone if it suited the story. Good writing is the foundation of any good movie/show. Everything else is window dressing.

 

[wormlander]

Where did I mention tone? I said Andor level writing and rogue one visuals. You could have a light hearted adventure tone if it suited the story. Good writing is the foundation of any good movie/show. Everything else is window dressing.

You said you found Andor to be "very good Star Wars" and Rogue One "good" and followed this up by wishing for this kind of quality productions moving forward. I simply disagreed with your overall claim. Even if you want to make it all about the writing I still don't agree.
Good writing is supposed to start with interesting and (at least somewhat) likeable characters of which Andor had precisely zero i.m.o. Then we need an interesting setting. Andor had the most boring scrapyard housing and cheap looking outdoor forest camp in SW history. I believe they should've developed this into a regular period drama rather than a Star Wars project (They didn't even bother to modify the real world firearms). Then things need to move on at a pace that lets the protagonist (oops, there wasn't one in Andor...) leave this boring, meaningless life behind and move on to more interesting things (While I personally dropped out early I understand this didn't happen during the entirety of season 1). Then there's the dialogue which is so full of unnecessary padding and cringy banter my ears almost cried in despair. Everyone sounds as if they'd rather kill themselves than doing anything useful with their lives. Hell, even that funky looking red droid seemed depressed. I'd take Lucas' wonkiest attempts at mimicking human dialogue over this bore-fest any day of the week, just as long as the story goes someplace worthwhile. Andor to me was just VERY slow, pretentious and extremely boring and yes; it was all firmly "grounded" in the writing. Also, Stellan Skarsgård is highly overrated...

 

[abake]

Agree to completely disagree.
R1 and Andor are the two shining beacons in Disney Wars.

 

[jye4ever]

You said you found Andor to be "very good Star Wars" and Rogue One "good" and followed this up by wishing for this kind of quality productions moving forward. I simply disagreed with your overall claim. Even if you want to make it all about the writing I still don't agree.
Good writing is supposed to start with interesting and (at least somewhat) likeable characters of which Andor had precisely zero i.m.o. Then we need an interesting setting. Andor had the most boring scrapyard housing and cheap looking outdoor forest camp in SW history. I believe they should've developed this into a regular period drama rather than a Star Wars project (They didn't even bother to modify the real world firearms). Then things need to move on at a pace that lets the protagonist (oops, there wasn't one in Andor...) leave this boring, meaningless life behind and move on to more interesting things (While I personally dropped out early I understand this didn't happen during the entirety of season 1). Then there's the dialogue which is so full of unnecessary padding and cringy banter my ears almost cried in despair. Everyone sounds as if they'd rather kill themselves than doing anything useful with their lives. Hell, even that funky looking red droid seemed depressed. I'd take Lucas' wonkiest attempts at mimicking human dialogue over this bore-fest any day of the week, just as long as the story goes someplace worthwhile. Andor to me was just VERY slow, pretentious and extremely boring and yes; it was all firmly "grounded" in the writing. Also, Stellan Skarsgård is highly overrated...

I get where you’re coming from but at the end I just found the inner workings of the Empire and of Luthen’s determination to achieve success both very rewarding for me to definitely consider the show worthy SW with quality writing not usually associated with the franchise it was even better than RO!

I’m definitely looking forward to S2.

I know it’s the popular thing right now to hate new Star Wars but I love Andor as my serious drama Star Wars and Mandalorian for my swashbuckling Star Wars.

Obviously the OT always being the proper core experience.

 

[Shai]

I read somewhere that in the next Lesbi-wan serie (the acolyte) they are trying to make a jedi duel that will be better than duel of the fates. The delusion of these people never stops.

 

[Mondragon]

Feels weird that I’m not pumped to see the OT in cinemas on May 4th.

Well which version?
The original non specialized release? Or the special ed version?
And the original SW release date was May 25th. That new fandom switched to celebrate May the 4th instead, because their mindless compulsion to be lead and parrot any inane pun they here and can robotically repeat, over an actual historic date, is another reason I wouldn't go on that date.

Yes I know it's a useless bygone molehill to stand on.