Star Wars: The Acolyte

[ebor]

The IMDB ratings sank to a new low as well...

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Jawa lives matter! How dare you!!!

 

[Asta]

Jawa lives matter! How dare you!!!

Peli Motto thought so too.

Once more with feeling, in honour of the ratings currently standing at 17%...

 

[Khev]

That's right Mando's immediate reaction to some random jawas taking his stuff was to just straight up start murdering them wasn't it. No interaction, no clarification that it belonged to him, just instant disintegration.

For all they knew his ship was abandoned, lol.

 

[Sassafras]

Peli Motto thought so too.

Once more with feeling, in honour of the ratings currently standing at 17%...

With justification. It's inevitable that a showrunner/writer/director will put their own stamp on a production, or style, but this is IMO probably the most egregious self-insert fiction outside of NetFlix's Cleopatra.

Where too, the showrunner carefully surrounded themselves with "yes-men", sycophants, people inexperienced with the lore, or folks like Filoni who created the unkillable Ahsoka. Worse, KK, apparently continuing to throw darts at a board, hoping for another Mandalorian, encouraged the approach.

I'm guessing that's the only reason a show as stellar as Andor exists. E.g. next up; the child-centered Skeleton Crew.
Disney careening from trying to attract an "alternative audience", to adults, to the SC kid audience (shades of Grogu/Mando with that one; except instead of ONE special child, there's MORE!)

But hey, Skeleton Crew might actually have a decent script. And be suitable for young children, the way the ST was - or, the ST was suitable for EVERYONE; there's stuff in the Acolyte I wouldn't want to have to explain to a young child. So the kiddies will finally get a show for kids, and the adults will get Andor later.

And Leslie can go away and quit talking about herself. Nobody cares except fellow fan-fictioners who also write self insert *&^%$.

 

[Asta]

That's right Mando's immediate reaction to some random jawas taking his stuff was to just straight up start murdering them wasn't it. No interaction, no clarification that it belonged to him, just instant disintegration.

For all they knew his ship was abandoned, lol.

That's the difference between Mando and Boba.

Uncle Bob, the big old softy, would've helped them load up his stuff.

 

[Asta]

With justification. It's inevitable that a showrunner/writer/director will put their own stamp on a production, or style, but this is IMO probably the most egregious self-insert fiction outside of NetFlix's Cleopatra.

Where too, the showrunner carefully surrounded themselves with "yes-men", sycophants, people inexperienced with the lore, or folks like Filoni who created the unkillable Ahsoka. Worse, KK, apparently continuing to throw darts at a board, hoping for another Mandalorian, encouraged the approach.

I'm guessing that's the only reason a show as stellar as Andor exists. E.g. next up; the child-centered Skeleton Crew.
Disney careening from trying to attract an "alternative audience", to adults, to the SC kid audience (shades of Grogu/Mando with that one; except instead of ONE special child, there's MORE!)

But hey, Skeleton Crew might actually have a decent script. And be suitable for young children, the way the ST was - or, the ST was suitable for EVERYONE; there's stuff in the Acolyte I wouldn't want to have to explain to a young child. So the kiddies will finally get a show for kids, and the adults will get Andor later.

And Leslie can go away and quit talking about herself. Nobody cares except fellow fan-fictioners who also write self insert *&^%$.

I dipped my toe into the lava of The Dark Room, with a video claiming to reveal the dark heart of Leslye Headland.

(The Dark Room is another of those threads like Forum Announcements that inconveniently never shows up in the What's New page, which is my regular means of monitoring this board).

 

[ZaCHw117]

They should of canned the show and used it as a tax write-off like HBO did with Batgirl.

To think we got this and we didn’t get Batgirl….

 

[Sassafras]

eI dipped my toe into the lava of The Dark Room, with a video claiming to reveal the dark heart of Leslye Headland.

(The Dark Room is another of those threads like Forum Announcements that inconveniently never shows up in the What's New page, which is my regular means of monitoring this board).

I figure I kind of know what's in her heart. Or her head. Same as that J-Lo debacle - ultimately, a big ego. And it's not a male/female issue; 'coz plenty of men have put out clunky vanity projects including the horrible After Earth.

Have to keep my comments watered down but man, I'm angry. I'll get over it. It's just - the more I look at SW overall - been doing that a lot lately this week, watching some well edited vid from a Y-tuber SWFT, to thinking about the Obi-Wan statue purchase, to re-watching some of Bad Batch (which is far better than Acolyte) and thinking about what Lucas accomplished (changed the world); then idly remembering it took 30 seconds of the first footage of Mando walking on that wooden dock and getting hooked with this BRAND NEW CHARACTER and the cinematography of that show (that scene with the Razor Crest climbing skyward and dive bombing) and thinking about Luke staring at the twin suns and the music....

I get so &^%$# *&^%. WTF. Within what, 2 years we went to Lizzo, dad-bod Thrawn (tho at least Ahsoka kept to the lore "warm fuzzies") to Reva parkour and walking away from getting gutted by a light saber (tho Ewan did his best) - but this show isn't gonna get saved by the efforts of Lee Jung-jae, the poor guy. There's too much wrong, from a fortress that looks like an unmentionable part of the female anatomy (probably the Rian Johnson influence and his thing with holes, again), to illogic, to a boring script, cheap looking costumes and sets, to the cringe showrunner and bad editing as well as blatant rip-offs from other productions. I don't care about any of these characters and one of them seems to be a juvenile sociopath.

I'm gonna go fantasize about Iron Studios or HT making all of the Andor characters, and get past all the money and disrespect of this series.

 

[Wor-Gar]

a fortress that looks like an unmentionable part of the female anatomy

 

[Femtech]

Wanna talk wookies? Totally down for it.

Wanna discuss woke? We have a section for that.

The mods and I are monitoring, and are going with super light touch right now since we just built out the darkroom, but please understand it wont always be that way.

If you would like to discuss "woke" and its place in media, please request access to the dark room thread. @Yoda will get you set up super quick and in a hurry.

This will be my last note in this thread on this subject. I'm going to try and watch Acolyte this weekend (how could I not at this point?) and hope to return to discuss it and not politics, wokeness, or anything like it.

With respect, you will find, upon watching the show, that to omit anything political when discussing the show is to, in fact, barely discuss the show at all. This has little to do with the viewer's personal views and everything to do with the fact that the show, itself, pushes to the foreground its own political views with minimal grace and maximum contrivance. It is not concerned with critiquing, questioning , and exploring the things it disagrees with and, instead, devotes itself to bland confidence.

If the show does not respect its audience enough to value maturity, perspective, or openness, then to ask us to treat it with cherity is a double-standard. If someone brings into the conversation something hateful that doesn't exist in the show, then by all means, do as you see fit as a moderator. But if we take issue with something that the show, itself, presents in bad taste -- political or otherwise -- then we should be allowed to call it out. If doing so is restricted to another thread, then what is this one genuinely for?

1.) You will not find much mileage to discussing the acting, writing, direction, or cinematography -- it is clear in the product that the show's creative team did not hold any of these aspects in high regard.

2.) The character designs are decidedly milquetoast enough to hedge an average response from an average number of people on an average day.

3.) Without spoiling anything for you, the story, which was advertised as a murder investigation, resolves the gimmick of its murderer's identity in the second episode, substitutes investigation with flashbacks, and asks us to ponder the identity of the Sith mastermind without offering a single act or decision on the part of this person to deem the individual threatening, let alone mysterious or deserving of any thought other than mild interest in the character's helmet design, which ironically is the exact type of superficial interest that the show-runner presumably takes issue with.

That's all to say nothing, even, of the worryingly reckless amendments the show has made to the canon, which -- instead of expanding the lore in a way that cordially acknowledges the bedrock before -- opt to convert core Star Wars themes that used to apply to every viewer into versions that now not only celebrate the few.

So you see, if we turn a blind eye to the show's politics, there is nothing else to look at, and this isn't a matter of preference on our part -- the show has ensured, by design, that all other aspects operate just adequately enough to fulfill their purpose as delivery systems for the politics. There was no other mission statement when making The Acolyte, and if the only choice you're giving us to simply talk about it is to retreat into the dark, then I'm sorry to say that you've missed the point of Andor.

 

[pixletwin]

With respect, you will find, upon watching the show, that to omit anything political when discussing the show is to, in fact, barely discuss the show at all. This has little to do with the viewer's personal views and everything to do with the fact that the show, itself, pushes to the foreground its own political views with minimal grace and maximum contrivance. It is not concerned with critiquing, questioning , and exploring the things it disagrees with and, instead, devotes itself to bland confidence.

If the show does not respect its audience enough to value maturity, perspective, or openness, then to ask us to treat it with cherity is a double-standard. If someone brings into the conversation something hateful that doesn't exist in the show, then by all means, do as you see fit as a moderator. But if we take issue with something that the show, itself, presents in bad taste -- political or otherwise -- then we should be allowed to call it out. If doing so is restricted to another thread, then what is this one genuinely for?

1.) You will not find much mileage to discussing the acting, writing, direction, or cinematography -- it is clear in the product that the show's creative team did not hold any of these aspects in high regard.

2.) The character designs are decidedly milquetoast enough to hedge an average response from an average number of people on an average day.

3.) Without spoiling anything for you, the story, which was advertised as a murder investigation, resolves the gimmick of its murderer's identity in the second episode, substitutes investigation with flashbacks, and asks us to ponder the identity of the Sith mastermind without offering a single act or decision on the part of this person to deem the individual threatening, let alone mysterious or deserving of any thought other than mild interest in the character's helmet design, which ironically is the exact type of superficial interest that the show-runner presumably takes issue with.

That's all to say nothing, even, of the worryingly reckless amendments the show has made to the canon, which -- instead of expanding the lore in a way that cordially acknowledges the bedrock before -- opt to convert core Star Wars themes that used to apply to every viewer into versions that now not only celebrate the few.

So you see, if we turn a blind eye to the show's politics, there is nothing else to look at, and this isn't a matter of preference on our part -- the show has ensured, by design, that all other aspects operate just adequately enough to fulfill their purpose as delivery systems for the politics. There was no other mission statement when making The Acolyte, and if the only choice you're giving us to simply talk about it is to retreat into the dark, then I'm sorry to say that you've missed the point of Andor.

The thread seems to be trucking along just fine to me.

 

[wormlander]

The best thing to come out of Disney SW is that it made me appreciate the PT more

Do you prefer the PT to The Mandalorian seasons 1 & 2?...

 

[Wor-Gar]

AOTC vs Mando/Lizzo episode?

 

[wormlander]

I watched those

Why?...

 

[wormlander]

That's right Mando's immediate reaction to some random jawas taking his stuff was to just straight up start murdering them wasn't it. No interaction, no clarification that it belonged to him, just instant disintegration.

For all they knew his ship was abandoned, lol.

Nah, They knew and deserved what they got...

 

[Asta]

 

[Wor-Gar]

 

[Wor-Gar]

It is incredible how low the rating has dropped and how quickly. I wonder if it will dip to single digits?

Not even Disney bots could save this show.

 

[jaztermareal]

It is incredible how low the rating has dropped and how quickly. I wonder if it will dip to single digits?

Not even Disney bots could save this show.

I foresee a few more purges of negative ratings before the show is up. the score will jump up and down again

 

[Wor-Gar]

Seems like even Disney is abandoning this one.