Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Darkseed]

I'd like to know what happened to the Force Ghosts of Yoda, Obi Wan, and Anakin at the end of the Jedi. I wonder if that'll be explained in the upcoming film.


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Much like Santa as the faith and belief vanquished their powers became weaker. They had to resort to
hanging with Luke in his cave as he was the only one able to see them

This was covered in the OT

 

[Kamandi]

I was actually wondering if we'd see a "surprise" return of

Spoiler

Boba Fett. I thought that Kasdan and Abrams might want to bring him back for a more dignified rematch with Solo. Obviously that will never happen now and since if Fett DOES return I'm sure he'll be voiced by Morrison I hope he just stays dead.

This we agree on.

 

[Khev]

Macross. There is no Robotech. It is a lie.

I grew up on the Robotech series as well as Jack McKinney novelizations. I can't let go of the American voice cast. But I recognize that Macross was the original and pure form of the SDF-1 story. I actually prefer Do You Remember Love over the series itself.

 

[greygoose]

Are Rey, Finn and Kylo not teenagers? I certainly thought they were kids. Younger than Farmboy Luke (who is referred to as kid and boy and 19 years old in the script) atleast.

I got a kick out of seeing Finn's little baby picture on the holo file thing. It was a nappy headed gerber baby.

Early to mid 20's was how they appeared to me. Rey looked the youngest but they didn't come across as teenagers.

 

[Khev]

I *must* get a replica of Luke's original blue saber now. It's just too important.

 

[DiFabio]

None of that stuff matters, what you need to focus on is Kylo summoning Satan while listening to heavy metal music.

I dare you to post this kind of stuff in the Hot Toy Kylo Ren thread. They'll eat you alive.

The character's got quite the cult following at the moment in there and any mention of "emo" or bratty angst is meant with the same defensive fervor as if you were talking about their mom. When he's yelling, hacking stuff up and yelling traitor, I definitely had visions of Anakin ranting and getting all pissy. Hell, Kylo has a face scar like Anakin now. It makes sense since he's a Vader wannabe though.

Force Ghost Anakin should sit him down and talk some sense into him. "This goth punk thing you got going on isn't going to benefit you, son. You're going to end up losing some limbs if you keep it up".


On an unrelated note, I wonder if Luke will still have his green lightsaber in the next one.

 

[YoNoSe]

I *must* get a replica of Luke's original blue saber now. It's just too important.

I bought the FX saber a few days ago. Hoping someone makes a (new, non-Ebay priced) high quality replica of just the hilt.

Interesting that both Rey and Kylo have a relic each from the Dark and Light sides.

 

[pturtle]

None of that stuff matters, what you need to focus on is Kylo summoning Satan while listening to heavy metal music.

Much like Santa as the faith and belief vanquished their powers became weaker. They had to resort to
hanging with Luke in his cave as he was the only one able to see them

This was covered in the OT

But now that the Force awakened shouldn't they be back? Or are they gone forever?


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[Khev]

Interesting that both Rey and Kylo have a relic each from the Dark and Light sides.

Very true. I wonder if the helmet gives Kylo visions. I could see it being his "palantir," driving him more and more insane.

 

[YoNoSe]

Very true. I wonder if the helmet gives Kylo visions.

He seems to think it does.

I wonder if he took the helmet from the new Jedi temple. Luke taking it with him from Endor would be the easiest explanation of how Kylo would come to have it.

 

[DiFabio]

I bought the FX saber a few days ago. Hoping someone makes a (new, non-Ebay priced) high quality replica of just the hilt.

Interesting that both Rey and Kylo have a relic each from the Dark and Light sides.

Yeah, I bought my brother the FX Luke lightsaber for Christmas. I have the original Vader, Luke and Anakin ones from Master Replicas from 10 years ago or whenever and thought it was cool to see these back.

They should bring back the FX ones with the removable blade. I never got those but they seemed nifty for getting the hilt/handle alone.

 

[Gully Foyle]

Rey is overpowered.

Pretty ridiculously so . . . especially compared to Luke's progress in the OT.

Yup, Luke got hurt....a lot in those films. Didn't Rey hit a tree when she was force pushed by Ren Ben? She's unbreakable!

And the Millennium Falcon is now indestructible . . . plowing through buildings, skidding belly lands sans gear, etc.

If Abrams had directed Return Of The Jedi, the Falcon wouldn't have needed to thread the needle through an exhaust port -- it would just plow straight through the Death Star, boring its own hole, with Stormtroopers sliding off the windshield. The radar dish wouldn't have a scratch!

Just please have Luke be cool and be involved in the sequel please. Right now what we know about him and his 30+ years, he looks like a completely wasted chump.

I realize this is a pointless question, but during the epilogue scene I kept wondering what has he been eating for the past 35 years? Moss? Pebble Soup? Sea birds?
Even Dagobah had a riot of life forms . . . it was a swamp. Luke lives on a rocky island with NO SOIL.
Not so clever your place of exile is, hmmm?

I'd like to know what happened to the Force Ghosts of Yoda, Obi Wan, and Anakin

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[YoNoSe]

Yeah, I bought my brother the FX Luke lightsaber for Christmas. I have the original Vader, Luke and Anakin ones from Master Replicas from 10 years ago or whenever and thought it was cool to see these back.

They should bring back the FX ones with the removable blade. I never got those but they seemed nifty.

I missed out on all those MR props. I was snorting Hasbro for most of that.

 

[jye4ever]

Great point about the Falcon and ROTJ!

****, am I really seeing this crap again.

The worst part is that my brother is going to hate it and i'll be getting the blame for it.

 

[DiFabio]

Star Wars food has always looked awful and disgusting in my opinion. I've thought this ever since I was a kid.


The blue milk in ANH. The nasty Mexican Churro looking sticks that Luke has in his survival kit (that Yoda "eats") and Yoda's nasty bowls of chilli in Empire. The dog treats Leia gives wicket in Jedi. The nasty porridge that Shimi feeds everyone in Menace. That crap the Clones are eating in the cafeteria in AOTC. Now, the foamy instant-just-add-water nerf ball crap Rey was making and eating on Jakku.

Luke probably eats fish or something.

 

[xipotec]

Plot Analysis

Possible SPOILERS for Episode VIII & IX

My theories my be Bantha Poodoo.....but here they are in order......

Few years post Jedi
Luke decides to restart the Jedi Acadamy.
Begins with training His nephew and a few others.
Nephew turns bitter and angry during training because Daddy and Mommy are fighting
Daddy leaves, mommy is obsessed with her work.....
Luke struggles with teaching Ben control of his tangled emotions.
Luke meets someone and begins a ? Marriage? Love Affair??
Ben is now betrayed by his Uncle who now spends more time with his lady.( Mara Jade like?)
Lady get pregnant.
Kylo is ignored even more and begins hanging out with some cronies for attention (Knight of Ren) who like him because he is strong with the force.
Kylo begins torturing small animals (LOL)

Kylo the Teen Years
Kylo meets Snoke (who tells he a tale of his powerful grandfather and how he could have made everything right, if not for his weakness, the light side)
Kylo goes and gets Vaders Helm and his ASHES!!!!
Kylo rest said Helm in the ASHES of Vader (see side notes)
Kylo decides to become like Vader and use his power to bring peace to the galaxy...like Alexander the Great.
He begins by destroying the Jedi , as his grandfather did. Resentful of the 2 absent men in his world.

Post second Jedi destruction
Luke knows the threat to his daughter, Rey...hides her on Jakku with a trusted friend ( Lor San Tekka) to watch over (like his mentor Ben did with him)
He gives Lor San Tekka part of a map to find him...if needed.
Luke puts R2D2 to sleep...with part of a map on where to find him when the time comes.
He hopes his daughter will not feel the pull as he did as young man, but knows that Kylo could become another Darth Vader...and that he will need her help to defeat him...as Obi Wan did with Luke. (He's too old for this sort of thing)
He hides himself from the world...feeling he is making things worse not better..until someone else..more powerful and wise can help him.
Rey is too young to remember much (4 years old?) (see post notes)
Rey is left alone on Jakku...but taught that she is waiting for her family to return....and she HAS to be there for this event.



Fast forward to TFA

NOTES

This is all wild speculation about random things...

Han knows nothing of Rey...it all happened after his mid life crisis...He had left already. 10 years between Kylo's birth and Rey's

Rey KNOWS Han Solo...she says it....she remember being told about him as a child, and she knows his not as General Solo like Finn, her recollection is more personal.

Rey is pulled by the Force to her destiny, even before Luke can return for her...

She gets a full blast of who she is when she touched the light saber. She begins to remember.
She recalls who she is after calming herself during her battle with Kylo, and the memories return, including those of her Aunt (who she greets with sadness, now remembering who she is, and that her Aunts love has been killed by his son (her cousin).

Chewie gives her a very peculiar look when she joins him on the Falcon. Hes looking at her as Daughter of Skywalker.........looking for resemblance.

Rey knows Luke is her Father now. Luke know Rey is is Daughter.....He is tearing up because Han is dead, His daughter is now involved, and expects him to go through everything again...everything he FAILED at.

Another weird theory.

The ASHES Kylo keeps his helmet in, may be imbued with the Dark side. Kylo seems most powerful with the dark side Dark when he has the Helm on....(Anonymity also can make people mean...see internet trolls). Perhaps this makes him more evil...wearing a helm that rests in Vader ashes....

When Vader was burned his mortal body turned to ashe and his force spirit returned to the heros which Luke saw at the end of Jedi. Perhaps its a comment on our mortal bodies corrupting the Light Side due to our human urges and desires....which vanish when we are freed from our bodies?

Snoke...may be the Emporers force spirit in another body..alla Voldemort. He is very wounded...and old whomever he is.



I congratulate all who read my mind dump here...I would love to here what you think....

 

[Darkseed]

But now that the Force awakened shouldn't they be back? Or are they gone forever?


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Luke is still the only one with force knowledge so they'll be hanging with him for awhile. Perhaps Finn and. Rey can rebuild the spirit allowing other force sensitive folks the ability to share their wisdom. Unless Luke decides to keep them to himself in the cave...

 

[Khev]

With regard to Vader's helmet you'd think it'd be gone for good now.

 

[jye4ever]

Off I go for the 2nd.

At least he likes it.

 

[DiFabio]

Luke is still the only one with force knowledge so they'll be hanging with him for awhile. Perhaps Finn and. Rey can rebuild the spirit allowing other force sensitive folks the ability to share their wisdom. Unless Luke decides to keep them to himself in the cave...

"The Cave"

With regard to Vader's helmet you'd think it'd be gone for good now.

Yeah, who knows. You'd think it would have been abducted by an ewok as a musical instrument or something.