Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Wor-Gar]

I could make one quick sentence and have all three of those words disappear forever.

 

[greygoose]

God, what a ****.

Indeed.

 

[greygoose]

I could make one quick sentence and have all three of those words disappear forever. I'm the reason *** got censored on this board. It was either me or Nam.

The appy F word?

 

[ZaCHw117]

what cuss word has 3 letters besides ass?

***?

edit: yup its ***

 

[jye4ever]

Don't worry Khev, we will be laughing over all this mary sue stuff when E8/9 shows the suffering of Rey as she succumbs to hard truths of the dark side.

 

[DiFabio]

Do it!

There's a catch. Depending on the mod who scrubs my post, there's a chance I could disappear forever along with those three words. I only have 1 more life on here.

Don't worry Khev, we will be laughing over all this mary sue stuff when E8/9 shows the suffering of Rey as she succumbs to hard truths of the dark side.

WTF? Whose side are you on Jye?!

 

[Khev]

Since I work from home I just walked down the hall and asked my kids which SW good character was their favorite (they didn't blink as they're quite accustomed to questions like this out of the blue. ) My daughter said Rey and my son said Luke. I asked my daughter why Rey and she said "Because she's super cool." I asked what made her cooler than Jyn and she said "because she has a lightsaber and the Force." So there's one child's rationale.

After RO Jyn Erso shot WAY up and is second only to Leia with regard to the ladies for me and I'd rank her as my fourth favorite "good guy" overall behind the OT's main three. Then Rey. Then Chewie and all four droids (R2, 3PO, BB-8, and K-2) kind of mixed together because I love them all. I'm also a big Cassian fan (which was a total surprise to me as to how much I liked his character) so he'd be up there too.

And I agree jye I'm sure Rey's stock will go way up if she's put through the wringer in Episodes VIII and/or IX.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Whew, thank you post deleting Gods. I didn't know how to explain myself out of that one. You saved my neck there . . .

Yes, Rey is a great a example of wishfulfillment for a character. Though I can't say she's as sympathetic or vulnerable as let's say, Rocky Balboa or Rambo. She is definitely more powerful and unstoppable compared to the likes of the Terminator.

Maybe I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the idea of what a little girl might want to see? Perhaps that's why. When I was a kid though, I never liked the hero being unstoppable or invincible. As a kid, I loved seeing Luke get bruised and beaten in Empire or seeing Batman limp up the cathedral all bloodied and burned. It was like they were defeated, but still going for it. It was cool and made them even more of a hero. I dunno.


If I were a kid, I'd think Rey was lame. But then who knows, maybe that's what young people want in their heroes now a days?







I still think Leia, Padme and Jyn Erso are better female Star Wars characters. Though I'm sure that had to have been pretty traumatizing for any little girl to have invested in Jyn only for her to get nuked.

I like the "invincible" hero kind of like Rambo, but only when they have taken a lot of crap from villains or certain situations, then it's like payback. I always thought Luke was lame though. I liked him more in ROTJ, but there was always something to make him look pathetic right after I thought he was a badass. When Luke first shows up and is acting all tough and cocky in ROTJ, it was cool, but then...he tries to shoot Yabba...and gets caught? Lame. He beats the crap out of Vader but then gets beat up by the decrepit old man with zero reaction time (by the looks of how easily he was killed)? Lame.

As far as those commercials go, they're such BS, imo. I've seen a bunch of SW commercial with girls playing SW...yeah right. That's what little girls do, play with R2D2 figures and lightsabers. Maybe I'm wrong about that, and I'm just going by what I've seen girls like doing before TFA and Rey. It's just that SW is the last thing I associate with girls. In fact, the percentage of male viewers that wen to see R1 was higher than women and the same goes for merchandise sales. I just don't buy that SW is a boys and girls thing. It feels artificial and created by Disney as a way to cater to their Disney princess fanbase.

 

[jye4ever]

There's a catch. Depending on the mod who scrubs my post, there's a chance I could disappear forever along with those three words. I only have 1 more life on here.



WTF? Whose side are you on Jye?!

With Mary Sue....team Khev all the way, Disney made her that way by design.

But...

 

[greygoose]

Isn't Rey the new Disney princess? How many of those Disney good girls go bad?

 

[DiFabio]

Jye.

If you are not with me, then you are my enemy.

 

[jye4ever]

Jye.

If you are not with me, then you are my enemy.

Master DiFabio, there are too many of them, what are we going to do..

 

[Khev]

Why in the PT are young Sandpeople referred to as children while humans are "younglings?"

And it would have been funny if when Anakin walked in that young boy said "What they're just letting anyone into the Jedi Council Chamber now?"

 

[a-dev]

Khev demonstrated that it is possible to argue against the Mary Sue Rey criticism without suggesting that those in favour of it are sexist. Christ I wasn't even able to get that from my own friends, people who know me in real life

 

[DiFabio]

Probably to make Anakin look/sound like less of an evil bastard. The Sandpeople were faceless, animalistic nomads, so it was less despicable. Obi-Wan telling Padme that he killed a bunch of children though? That sounds a lot worse than killing "younglings".

 

[Victοr]

Fun Fact: In the canon Marvel books, Vader slaughtered a tribe of Sandpeople to kill time until Boba Fett arrived. That happens in the first issue. In the final issue, we get a backup, where the rest of the tribe returns, and the few survivors tell of the great beast that slaughtered them. In the end, they create a statue of Vader and start worshipping it. It's a silent story as well, and I found it a pretty good addition to the canon.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Isn't Rey the new Disney princess? How many of those Disney good girls go bad?

If memory serves... zero.

Disney would never turn Rey evil. As quaint as it is for fanboys to dream about Rey going naughty (and dawning an equally dark and skimpy outfit as well) I think its pretty unlikely that Disney would undermine its own merchandise campaign and disappoint millions of little girls.

Plus, there's more girls than boys on this planet now... which explains 'a great many things.'

 

[Otomofan]

You guys still think there is a fully formed backstory to Rey and Snoke that was fleshed out before the movie started?

I don't. I think they were purposely left as vague as possible so later writers and directors could do the "heavy lifting" of actually telling the story.

Abrams is great at starting stuff, but not finishing it. The most intriguing shot in the whole 2 hour plus movie was a maddeningly obscured little flashback that provided no answers. The story we really actually give a crap about, the one we all wanted to see (What happened after ROTJ??) is still untold.

I predicted a year ago that once the excitement of seeing a new SW movie would die down, that people were gonna take a look and realize what a hollow and ultimately unsatisfying film TFA is. I expected that backlash to come a little bit once it hit home release cause it's really pretty boring to sit through more than once. But I think it might be a few years, once we have more stuff like Rogue One and Han Solo and Max Rebo Band movies, that people will finally look back and say "man, that was NOT a good movie, was it?"

There are clearly several posters here that share this sentiment already, but it seems to be the vast majority are still like "TFA was the awesomest thing EVER dude...EVER."

 

[DiFabio]

You guys still think there is a fully formed backstory to Rey and Snoke that was fleshed out before the movie started?

No.

If Lucas made all this **** up as he went along in the 80s and 90s, no doubt Disney is doing the same. They have to take into account reactions and such. I think what we're going to see are a lot of the ideas and story threads that were abandoned for not only The Force Awakens, but also the OT and PT as well.

I'd say if you want to know what Episode 8 and 9 are going to be like, go check out the art and making of books for the past 8 movies. Unused concepts and ideas always resurface. For instance, that little weird rebel animal thing with the turret in Rogue One was originally supposed to be in TFA. There's a pattern to all of this stuff.

 

[Otomofan]

Yeah. And think about how fast and furious the stuff was leaking about Ep 7. We knew about Han dying pretty much before it was even shot. The lightsaber floating through space was almost actually in the movie.

If there were pages of the script somewhere that revealed who the hell Rey really is, we'd have heard about it by now. The reason we haven't is cause it simply doesn't exist. It was being made up on the set of Episode 8...maybe.