Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

If 20 years down the road, Whedon alters the film to fully realize his vision, and releases what he initially meant to put on screen because technology has reached a point where it's finally possible, I'm not about to start campaigning endlessly about how he raped my childhood, can't put a good film out to save his life and needs to retire.

I think the technology existed back then to allow Greedo to shoot first.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

I didnt buy he Blu-rays (yet) what were the changes made to Raiders?

Cosmetic alterations, but it doesn't change the fact that the films were digitally altered from the way they were released initially. Let the double-standard posts begin!

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

He cleaned up the glare on a window where Indy gets attacked by a cobra. Something that actually is OK to do. Something that doesn't change the character, or story.

Adding NOOO changes the entire scene from emotional, to comical.

I dont mid cosmetic changes so much. that doesnt sound like a big deal to me.

It's this revisionist crap that bothers me, no need to go in and change the character, just because you, as a person or Director have changed as well.

 

[CelticPredator]

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It's not the same thing.

If Lucas went back, and touched up the effects. Fixed the blue screen, added some lens flair, added that ring around the Death Star, maybe added a tentacle to an alien's face, and that's it...people wouldn't nearly be as mad about it.

Sure...people might complain due to the UNNECESSARY changes like the Mos Eisly scene, which ruins the whole point of that scene...but the ring around the Death Star? Doesn't change the plot. Doesn't change the scene. Doesn't change the movie. It's just a thing.

Nothing in the Indy flicks he fixed affected the movie. In anyway.

 

[lerath666]

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the ROTJ nooooo scream.......

you know, he tweaked that scene JUUUUUUUUUST a little too much for my taste.

the whispered, slow, quiet no, as he looks to palapatine......
PERFECT.

the scream..... demands the addition of a laugh-track.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Cosmetic alterations, but it doesn't change the fact that the films were digitally altered from the way they were released initially. Let the double-standard posts begin!

it's not a double standard. a reflection on glass can be considered a technical gaffe, like say, a boom mic appearing on the camera edge, or a cord that didnt get noticed on film. Actually going and altering character motivations or dialog is much, much different. If you cant see the difference than you have more problems than I can solve by typing in this forum.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

I don't see one as necessarily better than the other. In the end, they're Lucas' films (or were at this point). I'm gracious enough that he was willing to share his ideas, good or bad, so that we could enjoy them. I also think it's hypocritical that Lucas gets all the flack for changing things and Spielberg gets a free ride. Sure he gave people an undoctored copy of E.T., but he approved the digital changes to Raiders and was 33.33% responsible for KOTCS.

Nam I'll say it.....God Damn Good Post!

 

[karamazov80]

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My problem isn't with digital enhancements per se (color corrections, taking out grain, whatever), but changing the nature and spirit of some of the scenes, and as a result, the overall film. The scene with Jabba in Special Edition Star Wars, the dance off in Jedi, the jarring shift from 1970s costumes to 1990s-level CG with some of the monsters, some the other stuff mentioned here, etc. With those modifications, all make those films feel like something very different from what I am nostalgic about in the first place. And that's why it matters to me personally.

I don't know what changes Spielberg made to Raiders, but unless he did something really noticeable and jarring then I don't think I would care very much.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

it's not a double standard. a reflection on glass can be considered a technical gaffe, like say, a boom mic appearing on the camera edge, or a cord that didnt get noticed on film. Actually going and altering character motivations or dialog is much, much different. If you cant see the difference than you have more problems than I can solve by typing in this forum.

Really?

Fair enough. Yeah, that does get old.

As far as unaltered films go, SW won Academy Awards for it's effects. From purely a film preservation perspective the original version should be restored.

The Godfather is another one of my favorite films. When Sonny gets shot at the bridge it's pretty fake looking. It could be fixed with CG, but that would be messing with a classic.

How is a film where effects mistakes/peekaboos have been digitally corrected even the same? It's a total double-standard. "It's okay to only fix what I want you to fix. It's not okay to fix things you think need to be fixed."

 

[Niltusk]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

What always cracks me up about the revisions is they don't fix some of the blatantly bad stuff. Fix some damn Boba Fett scenes.

 

[Adolfo]

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I personally liked the 6 Star Wars films...ESB the best...It just bothers me that many bashed EpI,II,III ...I was just happy to see some of the beloved characters back...plus It was still Lucas's show...I'll never bash him for that and for him doing it his way...For me the next wave of films will be the real coin toss...I'll still go to the theater and see em though...and I'll be positive...The Star Wars universe is just too huge to have it only one way

 

[CelticPredator]

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Really?



How is a film where effects mistakes/peekaboos have been digitally corrected even the same? It's a total double-standard. "It's okay to only fix what I want you to fix. It's not okay to fix things you think need to be fixed."

Because the story and characters are the same.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Really?



How is a film where effects mistakes/peekaboos have been digitally corrected even the same? It's a total double-standard. "It's okay to only fix what I want you to fix. It's not okay to fix things you think need to be fixed."

Yes, really.

Personally, I'm a purist, and all things being equal I'd be much happier with the films to remain untouched, regardless of whether anybody thinks a change was an improvement or not.

Restoration on the other hand is very important.

Lucas used to feel the same way too, as he fought against studios releasing colorized versions of black and white classics.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Because the story and characters are the same.

Even still, the comments like, "Restore and release the original film!" become hypocritical.

 

[Khev]

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Even still, the comments like, "Restore and release the original film!" become hypocritical.

Not really. But nevertheless George could have stopped Harmy and didn't so it's really moot at this point. The originals are available as far as I'm concerned (though even Harmy's have some of the SE touchups included.)

 

[CelticPredator]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Not really. I mean, all that matters, is the film in it's purest form, is the same.

If they did restore Star Wars, and just for the Blu Ray release, fixed the storm trooper hitting his head, and cleaned up the matte lines around the AT=AT Walker, I don't think anyone would mind.

What my problem, and hopefully other fan's problem is, Lucas changed the entire film inside and out. He made it impossible for people who didn't like the PT to ignore them. Which was a mistake, and shows how out of touch he is.

I don't like the PT, but I get them more now. While they're for my generation, they're not for me, who grew up with the originals. Fine. That's cool. I can respect that.

But don't put Whiny Anakin in my movies. I can't stand that dude.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Not really. But nevertheless George could have stopped Harmy and didn't so it's really moot at this point. The originals are available as far as I'm concerned (though even Harmy's have some of the SE touchups included.)

That's an interesting point. Lucas was always okay with that and fanfilms so long as they weren't done so for monetary reasons. Do you think Disney will start chasing after them now that they own the property?

 

[Khev]

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That's an interesting point. Lucas was always okay with that and fanfilms so long as they weren't done so for monetary reasons. Do you think Disney will start chasing after them now that they own the property?

I just posted that same though in the official Harmy thread.

 

[Adolfo]

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Not really. I mean, all that matters, is the film in it's purest form, is the same.

If they did restore Star Wars, and just for the Blu Ray release, fixed the storm trooper hitting his head, and cleaned up the matte lines around the AT=AT Walker, I don't think anyone would mind.

What my problem, and hopefully other fan's problem is, Lucas changed the entire film inside and out. He made it impossible for people who didn't like the PT to ignore them. Which was a mistake, and shows how out of touch he is.

I don't like the PT, but I get them more now. While they're for my generation, they're not for me, who grew up with the originals. Fine. That's cool. I can respect that.

But don't put Whiny Anakin in my movies. I can't stand that dude.

If Anakin was not a big beetch baby to be taken advantage of there wouldnt be a Darth Vader...end of story...I never liked the Ep II and III Anakin guy too and thought the Jedi should have incorporated some corporal punishment...LOL

 

[CelticPredator]

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Disney is a sue happy bastard. So yes, they will track them all down and murder them.



But probably not actually. They're not stupid. The backlash would be emmense.