Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[jedibear]

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Ugh....

Am I one of the few who just does NOT get all the Benny-love?

Not a fan...sorry. Found him one of the most annoying things about Star Trek Into Darkness (which is pretty annoying for a lot of other reasons beside ole' Benny C...)...I guess if his character had been named oh, anything other than Khan...it might've helped, but his over-reading every line he had to being unconvincing in the action scenes...I don't know...he has the charm of a reptile. Which I guess a lot of people find appealing...

Now...if he is in Jar Jar Abram's SW flick...well, a disgruntled Imperial Officer or something along those lines might work. Please, no Palpy-Clone or other Sith stuff....

Seems like the more that squeaks out about this one...the less interesting it sounds. Pretty sad when even the rumors are boring....

 

[Niltusk]

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I think its lousy. I have no idea what all the fuss is over this guy, Benedict Cummerbund.

JJ Abrams better worry less about making a Bad Robot movie, and more about making a Star Wars movie. Star Wars is and always will be bigger than Bad Robot.

And shame on Kathy Kennedy if she gives Abrams too much license. I would keep them reigns tight if I were her.

I agree with everything but the Benedict sentiment, I think hes great.

I think we're going to get a JJ Abrams space flick that feels as distant from source as the Trek nerds feel. Not super huge imo, OT is always there, would it be nice to have a second great trilogy?
Sure.

Am I banking on it?
No wai!

 

[FQRizzo]

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Cumberbatch would make a good Thrawn or some other similar imperial officer but that's it.

 

[CelticPredator]

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You guys are ****ing babies. "Why are they hiring a capable actor! Oh noooo! I hate this movie already!"

....christ.

 

[jye4ever]

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You guys are ****ing babies. "Why are they hiring a capable actor! Oh noooo! I hate this movie already!"

....christ.

Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher will show those ****ty actors.

 

[K07]

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You guys are ****ing babies. "Why are they hiring a capable actor! Oh noooo! I hate this movie already!"

....christ.

Don't get the hate either. Can't judge his ability based on the crappy script that was Into Darkness. I love him in "Sherlock" and would like to see him in a Star Wars movie.

 

[FQRizzo]

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You guys are ****ing babies. "Why are they hiring a capable actor! Oh noooo! I hate this movie already!"

....christ.

Let's use an analogy:

Did you ever eat your favorite food, let's say a hamburger, and then that night feel the effects of a stomach flu? Even though it wasn't the hamburger's fault, when you are done puking your guts out and get better, you may have lost your appetite for hamburgers, at least for a while, because you associate hamburgers with getting sick.

After watching STID, in which Abrams and Cumberbatch were involved, I'm a little nauseous about this news for Ep. 7. Maybe it wasn't their fault. Maybe it will pass.

 

[CelticPredator]

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You know, Into Darkness isn't that great, but all the hate for it is kinda absurd. It's a harmless summer blockbuster that suffers from poor writing, and a ripped off ending. It's no worse then anything that came out this year. In fact, i'd say it's better then at least half of the flicks that came out in the summer.

Even if you "have" to loathe the film, Cumberbatch had nothing to do with the script. So him being in either film means nothing. He was hired to do a job, and he did it. Same with Abrams. He was given the script by his friends, they thought it could work, and it didn't. Oh well.

 

[Something Sexy]

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Benedict Cumberbatch is ****ing awesome! Haters gonna hate, the guy can act.

 

[Zen Mutiny]

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You know, Into Darkness isn't that great, but all the hate for it is kinda absurd. It's a harmless summer blockbuster that suffers from poor writing, and a ripped off ending. It's no worse then anything that came out this year. In fact, i'd say it's better then at least half of the flicks that came out in the summer.

The problem is, some people, rightfully so, have higher expectations for a Star Trek movie. For a franchise that has an almost 50 year legacy of being intellectual entertainment for intellectual people, dumbing it down to be a box office summer action flick with no intellectual appeal whatsoever is more than enough reason for the installed fan base to feel shafted.

Benedict Cumberbatch is ****ing awesome! Haters gonna hate, the guy can act.

**** yes.

 

[Something Sexy]

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Have you seen the last couple Star Trek films before the "reboot"?

 

[jye4ever]

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Have you seen the last couple Star Trek films before the "reboot"?

 

[CelticPredator]

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The problem is, some people, rightfully so, have higher expectations for a Star Trek movie. For a franchise that has an almost 50 year legacy of being intellectual entertainment for intellectual people, dumbing it down to be a box office summer action flick with no intellectual appeal whatsoever is more than enough reason for the installed fan base to feel shafted.

I was going to reply with what Something Sexy said....but i'll say this.

The franchise has been a generic crap cash in for years in it's theatrical run. The new films are probably the best thing to come out of the franchise since...whatever was the last good thing to come out of the franchise.

But then again, I don't like Trek. I never will like Trek. It's not my thing. But Wrath of Khan is cool. Into Darkness wasn't as cool because it wanted to steal.

 

[Zen Mutiny]

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Have you seen the last couple Star Trek films before the "reboot"?

The point of the reboot was to "restore" Star Trek, not just deliver more stupid. That being said, the new Trek has a lot of good qualities. The enormous plot holes, shameless rehashing of shallow Star Trek cliches, and the fact the crew of Starfleet's flagship all act like emotionally unstable teenagers were really the only weak points. Other than that, spot on.

I was going to reply with what Something Sexy said....but i'll say this.

The franchise has been a generic crap cash in for years in it's theatrical run. The new films are probably the best thing to come out of the franchise since...whatever was the last good thing to come out of the franchise.

But then again, I don't like Trek. I never will like Trek. It's not my thing. But Wrath of Khan is cool. Into Darkness wasn't as cool because it wanted to steal.

Congratulations! The new Trek movies were made for you, then. Basically Into Darkness catered only to people who have a passing knowledge of Trek, and not the hardcore fans. I will say it succeeded in that goal. It's also succeeded in turning off the more discerning of the existing fanbase, moreso with each installement. We'll see how well JJ does with Star Wars.

The last movies leading up to this may have been mediocre, but at least they respected continuity and made sense, for the most part, in their established universe. "Rebooting" was a smart move to get away from all of that, but not nearly used to its fullest potential.

 

[FQRizzo]

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You know, Into Darkness isn't that great, but all the hate for it is kinda absurd. It's a harmless summer blockbuster that suffers from poor writing, and a ripped off ending. It's no worse then anything that came out this year. In fact, i'd say it's better then at least half of the flicks that came out in the summer.

Even if you "have" to loathe the film, Cumberbatch had nothing to do with the script. So him being in either film means nothing. He was hired to do a job, and he did it. Same with Abrams. He was given the script by his friends, they thought it could work, and it didn't. Oh well.

If STID didn't follow up the excellent 2009 movie, I wouldn't have felt so burned. They just totally **** the bed with the sequel.

Besides, I like Cumberbatch in Sherlock. I just fear he's getting to be too 'flavor of the month' and will be thrown into everything instead of the right roles.

 

[Zen Mutiny]

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If STID didn't follow up the excellent 2009 movie, I wouldn't have felt so burned. They just totally **** the bed with the sequel.

Besides, I like Cumberbatch in Sherlock. I just fear he's getting to be too 'flavor of the month' and will be thrown into everything instead of the right roles.

I didn't mind him in the role, it's just how they did it. They should have made it clear that this is an alternate universe, rather than a divergent timeline, which would explain why Khan is a white guy. Of course, I don't get the reasoning behind making him a white guy to begin with, and frankly, they would have done better if the character just wasn't Khan. I think they just wanted to cash in on a popular villain without paying the proper respect to the source material.

 

[FQRizzo]

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I didn't mind him in the role, it's just how they did it. They should have made it clear that this is an alternate universe, rather than a divergent timeline, which would explain why Khan is a white guy. Of course, I don't get the reasoning behind making him a white guy to begin with, and frankly, they would have done better if the character just wasn't Khan. I think they just wanted to cash in on a popular villain without paying the proper respect to the source material.

I didn't care about the casting or what ethnicity he was. They just didn't use him (Khan or Cumberbatch) correctly. They state how evil and intelligent he is over and over, but they never show it. They gave us the physical aspect of his 'genetic superiority', but the rest was mostly talk. You could argue that the real villain was Robocop...and that's just sad.

 

[lerath666]

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I didn't care about the casting or what ethnicity he was. They just didn't use him (Khan or Cumberbatch) correctly. They state how evil and intelligent he is over and over, but they never show it. They gave us the physical aspect of his 'genetic superiority', but the rest was mostly talk. You could argue that the real villain was Robocop...and that's just sad.

Cumberbatch was a great choice... in a not so great film.
It committed one of the big movie sins that is all over the Prequel SW trilogy.

it's a movie, they need to Show, not tell.

Episodes I-III and Into darkness did alot of Tell, not show.

Bad visual storytelling.

Don't Just TELL us he's an evil Super intelegent Git. Have him murder someone in a complex manner that leaves no trace of his involvement.

 

[agen_kolar]

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I really hope Cumberbatch isn't in the new Star Wars films unless as a trivial character or under a lot of prosthetics. I've had more than my fill of him and the hype surrounding his acting over the last year or two.

 

[Adolfo]

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So if Cumberbatch was not in the role and they used a R maltoban looking guy with a Spanish accent playing an Indian dude it would be ok. I loved the film and my only gripe is that khan was not a Indian type dude. The film was great