Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Question. do we know that a 3rd trilogy is all that's planned? Why would it be suprising to see other films beyond 9? ( I'm not taking the spinoff films into account here)

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Question. do we know that a 3rd trilogy is all that's planned? Why would it be suprising to see other films beyond 9? ( I'm not taking the spinoff films into account here)

I'm pretty sure when Disney first bought the rights there was talks of Episode 10 through 12 as well.


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[automaton]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

"That prophecy is dumb. He never balanced the Force. He made it completely one sided. What if Plagueis is the chosen one? What if Plagueis was born from the Force? That's how he has the power to create life from the Force because he's a part of the Force. He can balance the Force again by creating a Sith Order to counter balance the Jedi Order. Hmmm. I love the speculation leading up to these movies."

- KO7






Anakin did balance the force… it just took him until ROTJ to do so.

the Midichlorian vs. mystical is a tool used to show how it only took the Empire 20 some odd years to bury the truth of science.

 

[Magpie 7]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Something to consider. George Lucas was HIGHLY INVOLVED( Comparitively to other EU Books. This indicates he has or had plans for plaeguis) with the Darth Plagueis Novel. Dictating what race he was, and several other aspects of the character and the story

At the end of the book, Palpatine kills him by collapsing a building ontop of him . it's not impossible to consider that he might have survived, and this was purposfull on george's part.

Yes, i know that the Post ROTJ EU, as well as most of the rest of it has been tossed out.

Episode VII still has to follow GL's outline, so i'd expect the villain to be a GL creation and Plagueis became canon the second Palpatine mentioned him to Anakin at Squid Lake. One concept GL played about with in the 1st draft of ROTJ was that Obi-Wan returned from the dead, so if Plagueis was so powerful surely he'd be capable of this. It would also allow other 'dead' characters a way to return.

Question. do we know that a 3rd trilogy is all that's planned? Why would it be suprising to see other films beyond 9? ( I'm not taking the spinoff films into account here)

There will be films beyond Episode IX, Disney has said they want a film released every 2-3 years. But I to IX is the Skywalker Saga, who knows where they'll go but it'll involve brand new characters.

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

"That prophecy is dumb. He never balanced the Force. He made it completely one sided. What if Plagueis is the chosen one? What if Plagueis was born from the Force? That's how he has the power to create life from the Force because he's a part of the Force. He can balance the Force again by creating a Sith Order to counter balance the Jedi Order. Hmmm. I love the speculation leading up to these movies."

- KO7






Anakin did balance the force… it just took him until ROTJ to do so.

the Midichlorian vs. mystical is a tool used to show how it only took the Empire 20 some odd years to bury the truth of science.

Exactly. This is a point so many people seem to miss about the prophecy. The point of the PT was to illustrate how bogged down the Republic was in beaurocracy and how the Jedi were bogged down in it's equivalent (dogma). When Anakin brought balance to the force it was via the complete destruction of both Sith and Jedi. I think, as a concept, this was rather cool.

 

[K07]

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Exactly. This is a point so many people seem to miss about the prophecy. The point of the PT was to illustrate how bogged down the Republic was in beaurocracy and how the Jedi were bogged down in it's equivalent (dogma). When Anakin brought balance to the force it was via the complete destruction of both Sith and Jedi. I think, as a concept, this was rather cool.

But Luke survived. Leia did as well. The spirits of Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, and Qui-Gon all exist despite them being physically dead. I wouldn't say the Jedi have been completely destroyed. And we know in this next trilogy there will be a new generation of Jedi. I don't think that was the intent of the prophecy....

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

But Luke survived. Leia did as well. The spirits of Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, and Qui-Gon all exist despite them being physically dead. I wouldn't say the Jedi have been completely destroyed. And we know in this next trilogy there will be a new generation of Jedi. I don't think that was the intent of the prophecy....

The distinction between Luke, Ben, OT Yoda and possibly Jedi whom Luke would train post-RotJ was drawn by Qui-gon Jinn. They are all followers of the Living Force, whereas the majority of Jedi in the PT used the force for their own selfish motives.

 

[K07]

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The distinction between Luke, Ben, OT Yoda and possibly Jedi whom Luke would train post-RotJ was drawn by Qui-gon Jinn. They are all followers of the Living Force, whereas the majority of Jedi in the PT used the force for their own selfish motives.

An interesting idea. Is this from the "Clone Wars" cartoons or just an idea? Because I don't recall this ever being described in the prequel trilogy itself.

 

[joebizz34]

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I think it would be so cool to see Qui-gon return as a spirit ghost and talk with Luke. I'm not a huge fan of the PT compared to the OT but I do think that would be a cool scene to see.

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[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

But Luke survived. Leia did as well. The spirits of Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, and Qui-Gon all exist despite them being physically dead. I wouldn't say the Jedi have been completely destroyed. And we know in this next trilogy there will be a new generation of Jedi. I don't think that was the intent of the prophecy....

He kinda did though, by destroying the old orders of sith and jedi to pave way for new ones.

OR, alternatively, Vader reduced the sith to two, and the jedi to two.

OR, alternatively, this.

Episode VII still has to follow GL's outline, so i'd expect the villain to be a GL creation and Plagueis became canon the second Palpatine mentioned him to Anakin at Squid Lake. One concept GL played about with in the 1st draft of ROTJ was that Obi-Wan returned from the dead, so if Plagueis was so powerful surely he'd be capable of this. It would also allow other 'dead' characters a way to return.



There will be films beyond Episode IX, Disney has said they want a film released every 2-3 years. But I to IX is the Skywalker Saga, who knows where they'll go but it'll involve brand new characters.

Plaeguis has always been Canon, the book was published a few years after ROTS was released, with the intention to dig into his backstory.

 

[pixletwin]

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An interesting idea. Is this from the "Clone Wars" cartoons or just an idea? Because I don't recall this ever being described in the prequel trilogy itself.

It was the exposition for Quigon's character in TPM. He was a maverick. He didn't follow the counsel (ie the rigid dogma). He followed what the Living Force dictated, consequences be damned. Also in the dialog between Anakin and Palpatine at the opera in RotS.

George Lucas may suck as a story teller, but that is the story he was attempting to tell.

 

[automaton]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

The story outline was written by George Lucas. JJ and Kasdan are being given a lot of freedom but I'm sure they have to incorporate George's ideas. It could have been as simple as this: Darth Plagueis is not dead. He's been in hiding all this time, he has abolished the rule of two, and has been creating life and training them all to become a huge Sith Army. If that was the story outline, JJ would have no choice but to incorporate the past films. Even as someone who doesn't care much for the prequels, I must admit I'm rather taken by this rumor. I think it's the most logical step in the saga. That article said it best. The beginning is the end. They need to tie all nine movies together somehow and he's a great way to do it. He's a new villain to audiences but an established character within the galaxy far, far away.

-Ko7



i would think a Sith army would only water things down… it previously only took two Sith to seize power of a galaxy… why fix what isn’t broken? i would much rather see the rebirth of Mandalore and its armies. isn’t that the movie we all want to see? Mandalorians waging war on what is left of the Rebellion / Empire? a trilogy of a galaxy at war and how our heroes relationships are further forged.

Palpatine as a force ghost would help cement the OT vibe… not all Sith are created equal… it took a thousand years of them to arrive at one such as he. perhaps JJ will take a cue from the OT and dial back the force a little? the arcs in the OT concerning it were much more intimate… it would be nice to reagin some of its mystery?

 

[automaton]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Lucas indirectly provided some of the best evidence available that religion is better than science.

science is true whether one believes in it or not.

 

[automaton]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Exactly. This is a point so many people seem to miss about the prophecy. The point of the PT was to illustrate how bogged down the Republic was in beaurocracy and how the Jedi were bogged down in it's equivalent (dogma). When Anakin brought balance to the force it was via the complete destruction of both Sith and Jedi. I think, as a concept, this was rather cool.

yes, it was cool... and Luke was the catalyst... i have a feeling he will very much be the next trilogy's "Qui Gon".

 

[Niltusk]

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science is true whether one believe in it or not.

Don't you actually mean, science is true until it's proven untrue?

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

If these movies use the "prophecy" angle from the Prequels along with the weird, Sith/"chosen one" crap, I'm sorry, that's lame.

The Original Trilogy didn't bother itself with any of that crap. You know what we got? An actual war. A galactic civil war between the Rebels and Empire. If these new movies even touch on the "tragedy of darth plagueis the wise" or ancient prophecies or artificially inseminated midi-chlorians, I'm going to puke.

Agreed.

All other modern SW media tie-ins inclusive, the whole thing has become one huge contrived w*ank.. sorry.

As an old school devotee, it'd certainly be nice to get back to the core of what made this story so impactful, epic & resonating.

 

[OSCORP]

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Well they sure are doing a good job keeping things secret. Usually when a movie is already filming there's all kinds of details around and even before.

I need somethings damnit! Leaked pics, plot, let's go already! Once i get my taste i can go spoiler free!

 

[darthviper107]

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There's leaked pics, just not of much of anything interesting

 

[Magpie 7]

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There's leaked pics, just not of much of anything interesting

There's Bob the Turkey seller

 

[stshammgod]

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Show me a picture of Harrison Ford or Mark Hamill in costume, and I'll be set for a while.