Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[DarthLudicrous]

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I don't ever want them mentioned again, but if they do come up they could be explained like a moth that's attracted to flame. Midichlorines are not the cause of the Force, they are an indicator. They are drawn to Force sensitive individuals. The brighter the flame, the more moths.

It's a retcon but it's more palpable than what they sold in Ep. 1.

This is what I always thought. That the midiclorines were more like radio towers and the force like radio waves. The more "towers" you had the stronger the signal you could pull in.

 

[pixletwin]

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Is that some made up plot or an actual spoiler?

Made up, I'd wager. Though it sounds plausible.

 

[Kamandi]

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This is what I always thought. That the midiclorines were more like radio towers and the force like radio waves. The more "towers" you had the stronger the signal you could pull in.

That idea still means they have an active role in making the Force "work". I would prefer if they were discussed as passive organisms that find their way into Force sensitive persons.

I actually hate the whole notion of the Force being measurable. It is supernatural in nature. That should be good enough.

 

[greedo737]

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that... sounds believeable. though those names are just as bad as "cool guy" from The live action joe film.

Names? Those are the actor's names, not the character's ...

 

[OSCORP]

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that... sounds believeable. though those names are just as bad as "cool guy" from The live action joe film.

Not very smart are we?

 

[Wor-Gar]

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that... sounds believeable. though those names are just as bad as "cool guy" from The live action joe film.

You mean the actors names?

 

[Rorywan]

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So we have all agreed that Plagueis is The Ancient Fear?
And he probably created Anakin?
And that makes him part of Luke's Story?

Or is it all a load of bollox.

 

[automaton]

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i could see JJ “mining” the past films for continuity sake but at the same time, i could see him wanting to distance the trilogy from the prequels. perhaps he learned something from making Star Trek 2 (it was so obvious that it was Khan) and throwing out a title such as this has a broader stroke than we are seeing. how can Plagueis be a fear if no one besides Anakin was ever told of him? perhaps the title refers to the Sith Order in general… or perhaps even the species? furthermore, i don’t think the Sith created Anakin… i looked at him as nature’s way of balancing the force whether it for “good” or “bad”… it makes the idea of midichlorians a little more justifiable… Anakin was like a living antibody… science to some, prophecy to others.

 

[OSCORP]

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Ones things for sure. Whatever it is, people are gonna bytch!





I myself am cautiously optimistic, i really like where this is heading.

 

[K07]

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i could see JJ “mining” the past films for continuity sake but at the same time, i could see him wanting to distance the trilogy from the prequels. perhaps he learned something from making Star Trek 2 (it was so obvious that it was Khan) and throwing out a title such as this has a broader stroke than we are seeing. how can Plagueis be a fear if no one besides Anakin was ever told of him? perhaps the title refers to the Sith Order in general… or perhaps even the species?

The story outline was written by George Lucas. JJ and Kasdan are being given a lot of freedom but I'm sure they have to incorporate George's ideas. It could have been as simple as this: Darth Plagueis is not dead. He's been in hiding all this time, he has abolished the rule of two, and has been creating life and training them all to become a huge Sith Army. If that was the story outline, JJ would have no choice but to incorporate the past films. Even as someone who doesn't care much for the prequels, I must admit I'm rather taken by this rumor. I think it's the most logical step in the saga. That article said it best. The beginning is the end. They need to tie all nine movies together somehow and he's a great way to do it. He's a new villain to audiences but an established character within the galaxy far, far away.

"The Ancient Fear," if that's really the title, may refer to Plagueis' ability to create life from the Force and manipulate it and twist it to his will through the Darkside. It's an "Ancient Fear" because the Jedi Order before the Fall of the Republic may have heard of such myths and feared it could one day come true. The Sith were in hiding when this power was discovered and now it's becoming fully realized and no one was aware of it until it is too late. The other "Ancient Fear" could simply be the Sith Order without the rule of two.

furthermore, i don’t think the Sith created Anakin… i looked at him as nature’s way of balancing the force whether it for “good” or “bad”… it makes the idea of midichlorians a little more justifiable… Anakin was like a living antibody… science to some, prophecy to others.

That prophecy is dumb. He never balanced the Force. He made it completely one sided. What if Plagueis is the chosen one? What if Plagueis was born from the Force? That's how he has the power to create life from the Force because he's a part of the Force. He can balance the Force again by creating a Sith Order to counter balance the Jedi Order. Hmmm. I love the speculation leading up to these movies.

Made up, I'd wager. Though it sounds plausible.

I read it. Does sound plausible but it seems very obvious to have that structure. One thing about that I hate:

Spoiler

If they are going to kill off any of the original characters, they must die heroically. Han should be killed in a blaze of glory protecting his family or saving the galaxy. Luke should be killed in a lightsaber duel either overwhelmed by his opponent(s) or choosing his death on his own terms as Obi-Wan did. I for some reason have a hard time justifying killing off Leia. I don't want her to be killed.

 

[DiFabio]

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If these movies use the "prophecy" angle from the Prequels along with the weird, Sith/"chosen one" crap, I'm sorry, that's lame.

The Original Trilogy didn't bother itself with any of that crap. You know what we got? An actual war. A galactic civil war between the Rebels and Empire. If these new movies even touch on the "tragedy of darth plagueis the wise" or ancient prophecies or artificially inseminated midi-chlorians, I'm going to puke.

 

[K07]

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If these movies use the "prophecy" angle from the Prequels along with the weird, Sith/"chosen one" crap, I'm sorry, that's lame.

The Original Trilogy didn't bother itself with any of that crap. You know what we got? An actual war. A galactic civil war between the Rebels and Empire. If these new movies even touch on the "tragedy of darth plagueis the wise" or ancient prophecies or artificially inseminated midi-chlorians, I'm going to puke.

No matter what direction they take, not everyone will be happy. If Darth Plagueis is indeed in this, could they really make the movie without mentioning midichlorians or the prophecy of the chosen one? Absolutely they could. I was just thinking aloud about Plagueis being the chosen one. I never understood that dumb prophecy. I have no issue with there being prophecies in the galaxy far, far away but when they make absolutely no sense and come out of nowhere with no mention in the lore before, it is a bit more than off putting.

 

[CollectorNC]

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If these movies use the "prophecy" angle from the Prequels along with the weird, Sith/"chosen one" crap, I'm sorry, that's lame.

The Original Trilogy didn't bother itself with any of that crap. You know what we got? An actual war. A galactic civil war between the Rebels and Empire. If these new movies even touch on the "tragedy of darth plagueis the wise" or ancient prophecies or artificially inseminated midi-chlorians, I'm going to puke.

Right, the OT left the Force as a mystical thing, a religion of sorts, with the possibility anyone could be one with it, if they had an open mind. The prequels got all biological and genetic with those damned midochlorians and crap, basically shifting the way the Force acts. There's no way JJ can balance all 6 prior films. There will have to be some convenient omission of some stuff.

 

[karamazov80]

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Lucas indirectly provided some of the best evidence available that religion is better than science.

 

[K07]

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Hey guys, is the term "lightside" ever used in the six Star Wars movies? Or is that an EU term that is stuck in our brains? I'm trying to make sense of the prophecy of bringing balance to the Force as well as how midichlorians can be fit in with the OT without destroying what the Force essentially was originally described being. I think the midichlorians are an easy thing to explain to fit or easy to explain away. I mostly forgot about them to be honest until Darth Plagueis was brought up. But what about this "lightside" term? Thanks in advance!

 

[CollectorNC]

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well if the dark side is mentioned as it is often, you'd naturally have an opposing light side, but as for actual reference, I can't recall which, if any, OT movie says it like that.

 

[K07]

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well if the dark side is mentioned as it is often, you'd naturally have an opposing light side, but as for actual reference, I can't recall which, if any, OT movie says it like that.

Naturally we'd assume there is an opposing lightside, but what if there wasn't? What if there is just "the Force" and the Darkside is an abnormality to it? What if it's like a cancer that eats away at it and destroys what used to be? Sidious is shown to be one of the most powerful Force users in the entire saga. Yoda tells Luke the Darkside isn't stronger. Ultimately in the end it isn't. Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin are all seen living beyond physical deaths. Obi-Wan warned Vader he'd become more powerful than Vader ever could imagine if he was killed. And he did. The Sith want a physical control on the temporal and tangible world. And since they want to better themselves, they use their powers for themselves and do appear more powerful. But that's not what the Force is about. The Force is about connecting oneself with the world around it and not about gathering as much wealth and influence that you can possibly achieve. Isn't that in line with Buddhist teaching which the idea of the Force seems to be based off of? The Sith and the Darkside in general works against that idea of enlightenment. So my thought is by destroying Sidious and turning away from the Darkside, Anakin did return balance to the Force. There are no more Sith. There is no more Darkside. Only the Force. All of the bad was purged and a new order will begin through Luke.

But this theory then effectively prevents Plagueis from coming back or any Sith Lord for that matter as a threat without ultimately undermining that prophecy. So who ultimately knows what's going to happen....

 

[Rorywan]

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If these movies use the "prophecy" angle from the Prequels along with the weird, Sith/"chosen one" crap, I'm sorry, that's lame.

The Original Trilogy didn't bother itself with any of that crap. You know what we got? An actual war. A galactic civil war between the Rebels and Empire. If these new movies even touch on the "tragedy of darth plagueis the wise" or ancient prophecies or artificially inseminated midi-chlorians, I'm going to puke.

I would get your sick-bag ready Fab. There's no way in hell Disney will not try to tie all 3 trilogies together, even at a superficial level, the prequels are worth a fortune to Disney in merchandising and characters, hate them or not. I can't really see what other links they will use to bridge the stories apart from McGregor and Palps.

This isn't a new story, it's episode VI? They won't ignore episodes I,II,III. Sure they may play it down in the first one because of fan dissaproval of Jar-Jar & Co, but I think it's safe to expect some pre-OT Sith/Jedi/Midichlorian Stuff to crop up.

 

[Magpie 7]

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Is that some made up plot or an actual spoiler?

From a very reliable source..... i'm not saying i like it but thats it apparently. The only thing that might make it fake is it sounds very near to the supposed Arndt rejected script.


Remember where you heard it first!!!

 

[lerath666]

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That prophecy is dumb. He never balanced the Force. He made it completely one sided. What if Plagueis is the chosen one? What if Plagueis was born from the Force? That's how he has the power to create life from the Force because he's a part of the Force. He can balance the Force again by creating a Sith Order to counter balance the Jedi Order. Hmmm. I love the speculation leading up to these movies.]

Something to consider. George Lucas was HIGHLY INVOLVED( Comparitively to other EU Books. This indicates he has or had plans for plaeguis) with the Darth Plagueis Novel. Dictating what race he was, and several other aspects of the character and the story

At the end of the book, Palpatine kills him by collapsing a building ontop of him . it's not impossible to consider that he might have survived, and this was purposfull on george's part.

Yes, i know that the Post ROTJ EU, as well as most of the rest of it has been tossed out.