Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[toylion]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Thinking about this from a pseudo-realistic, political point of view, from my recollection the Empire as portrayed in the film was extremely advanced, and very highly institutionalized across areas of populated space. The bureaucracy involved in managing that whole operation had to be staggering, and likely had policies in place at various levels to ensure that the system could be maintained in the absence of the Emperor himself, until another Emperor could take power. Think about a North Korea for example. If Jong Un died tomorrow, the North Korean political system would still function, largely controlled by the military, because there is a ruling institution there, though a new symbolic head would be quickly appointed I bet. It's not really so reliant on the individual ruler and his cabinet, even if they have tremendous power and influence. An empire will have a central authority, but that can be replaced. I think in the Star Wars films, the bigger connection was to imperialism than historical examples of "empire." That is to say, the geographic expansion of political, military, and economic control without obtaining the democratic support of those being ruled. Unless the rebellion were able to gain control over the Empire's entire political institutional machine, through initial control over the remnants of the imperial military, obtaining buy-in from major economic stakeholders, co-optation of local leaders, the heavy use of public information campaigns in the pursuit of political support from the Empire's subjects, etc., then they would have a difficult time eradicating all the vestiges of the imperial past that might challenge them on ideological or self-interested grounds. There was a lot of upheaval in the "East" following the fall of the Berlin Wall and collapse of the USSR, and this would certainly be magnified in a system where there was a single ruling authority over all of space that was suddenly gone. I doubt strongly that the rebellion would have the wherewithal to replace the existing authority with another, more legitimate and preferable authority without going through some major growing pains. And while that happened, there would no doubt be those waiting in the wings to undermine and usurp their influence. Particularly big business and other powerful interest groups.

Paragraphs are our friends.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Then the Emperor has already won.

 

[Lakhota]

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rumor:

That's all according to theMakingStarWars*site, which introduces its studio-sourced snippets with an up-front caveat: "This is simply what we are hearing from people that have proven to us [they] are from Pinewood," adding, "it could be accurate or inaccurate."

Nevertheless, the rumored antagonist group is known as the Jedi Hunters. Its members wear black, wield lightsabers, and are occupied with protecting and restoring the Sith Lords to power, and have been fighting Luke Skywalker since the end of "Episode VI," says the site.

What's the immediate goal of the Jedi Hunters? Bring back the Sith in "Episode VIII" and cause a critical confrontation with the Jedi in "Episode IX" is the talk



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[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Sounds like PT crap.

Sith this.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Thinking about this from a pseudo-realistic, political point of view, from my recollection the Empire as portrayed in the film was extremely advanced, and very highly institutionalized across areas of populated space. The bureaucracy involved in managing that whole operation had to be staggering, and likely had policies in place at various levels to ensure that the system could be maintained in the absence of the Emperor himself, until another Emperor could take power. Think about a North Korea for example. If Jong Un died tomorrow, the North Korean political system would still function, largely controlled by the military, because there is a ruling institution there, though a new symbolic head would be quickly appointed I bet. It's not really so reliant on the individual ruler and his cabinet, even if they have tremendous power and influence. An empire will have a central authority, but that can be replaced. I think in the Star Wars films, the bigger connection was to imperialism than historical examples of "empire." That is to say, the geographic expansion of political, military, and economic control without obtaining the democratic support of those being ruled. Unless the rebellion were able to gain control over the Empire's entire political institutional machine, through initial control over the remnants of the imperial military, obtaining buy-in from major economic stakeholders, co-optation of local leaders, the heavy use of public information campaigns in the pursuit of political support from the Empire's subjects, etc., then they would have a difficult time eradicating all the vestiges of the imperial past that might challenge them on ideological or self-interested grounds. There was a lot of upheaval in the "East" following the fall of the Berlin Wall and collapse of the USSR, and this would certainly be magnified in a system where there was a single ruling authority over all of space that was suddenly gone. I doubt strongly that the rebellion would have the wherewithal to replace the existing authority with another, more legitimate and preferable authority without going through some major growing pains. And while that happened, there would no doubt be those waiting in the wings to undermine and usurp their influence. Particularly big business and other powerful interest groups.

Great post.

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Paragraphs are our friends.

Great post.

 

[automaton]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

considering what JJ went through trying to keep Khan on the lowdown, my hope is that he is taking initiative... feeding our fire with misdirection... sounds like old school "Super Shadow" bunk.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Great post.

 

[pixletwin]

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[VintijDroidGutzz]

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[Darthrazz]

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considering what JJ went through trying to keep Khan on the lowdown, my hope is that he is taking initiative... feeding our fire with misdirection... sounds like old school "Super Shadow" bunk.

Super Shadow! I had forgotten about that guy! Is he still around??

 

[lerath666]

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Sounds like PT crap.

Sith this.

Sounds like PANDERING PT crap. but we will see.

it's about as much information as "Farmer becomes fighter pilot and saves the galaxy" And that movie turned out pretty good.

But yeah, untill we hear more, it's about as legitimate as cloverfield being about Voltron.

 

[Matt S]

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As long as this movie has Stormtroopers, I'm good!

 

[EVILFACE]

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What happens if this movie is worse than the PT?

Marvel Studios will take over and reboot.

Andrew Garfield as Luke Skywalker.

Samuel L Jackson as Darth Vader.

 

[a-dev]

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Samuel L Jackson as Darth Vader.

This guy would approve:

 

[jye4ever]

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You're mixing up studios.

Dinklage as an Ewok, i'm in.

 

[jye4ever]

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1977

 

[creature4000]

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Wow have times changed!

 

[a-dev]

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Carrie Fisher 1977

 

[Rorywan]

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Carrie Fisher 1977

Carrie Fisher 1978 (79, 80, 81)