Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

The main things that stood out in 2008 when I watched Iron Man in the theater:

1. RDJ was *the* definitive Tony Stark

2. It seemed to copy a lot of initial scenes from Batman Begins without matching or improving on them (taking his licks in a third world country before returning to his home city to start building cool suits, even Stark's walk to his plane was almost a carbon copy of Bruce meeting Alfred in BB.)

3. A massively mediocre final battle between robotic dudes in a city after the first Transformers set the bar incredibly high the previous summer. In fact I remember that so much that I was fearing that Avengers might be similarly lackluster after following Dark of the Moon. Thankfully that wasn't how it played out.

4. The whole movie was very "paint by numbers" but it just didn't do anything badly, so was just solid all around.

How can anything be lackluster after following Dark of the Moon? :dunno
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

I need to watch Avengers again, but while I liked it I don't think its anything that requires multiple viewings.

I'm hoping E7 is something more on the scale of LOTR where I felt I needed to see it 2,3,4 times in the theater just to see everything and appreciate the nuance and character design, just like most SW films including the PT.

Personally, even a film at the quality of Avengers will be a disappointment for me.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Just as long as its not a film you need to see 2,3,4 times just to understand what is going on :lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Just as long as its not a film you need to see 2,3,4 times just to understand what is going on :lol

:lol Yeah, not that either. I want it to be a film I WANT to see 2-4 times for all the right reasons and not be BORED to death if I saw it a 4th time. :lol

I'm not bashing any of the Marvel films, but not a one did I feel I needed to see again in the theater. But could be just that I am not a big comic geek like I am with SW or LOTR where each one a week later I was dragging my wife to them again.
 
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How can anything be lackluster after following Dark of the Moon? :dunno

I thought I made it clear that I was specifically referring to the Avengers end battle vs. DOTM's end battle. IM's finale was weaker than the first TF's finale so I was prepared for the same to hold true with the latest films.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Samuel L. Jackson wants to play Mace Windu again in Episode VII. I can't imagine that working out.

Maybe his fall in Coruscant left him scarred so that he has to wear an eyepatch as he tries to assemble the last remnants of the Jedi Order to face a new threat.
 
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LOL. Stick Sam in a mask and let him play an alien. Mace Windu is utterly unnecessary.
 
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Yeah, but he wants to come back as a one armed Windu (somehow the same age as Luke) or as a force ghost (appearing to who?) just to stay in the franchise.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

I think one aspect that made ANH and ESB so great compared to the other films is the human element, as in the characters (save for the cantina and Executor bounty hunters) were 95% human.

It really gave the fantasy universe a more mature, relatable aspect which starting with ROTJ the films have really moved away from. I don't see them going back to the human/alien ratio of the first two films but it'd really be nice if they did.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Yeah, but he wants to come back as a one armed Windu (somehow younger than Luke) or as a force ghost (appearing to who?) just to stay in the franchise.

If he wants to stay in the franchise he can lend his voice to the current CW cartoon character.
 
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Yeah, but he wants to come back as a one armed Windu (somehow younger than Luke) or as a force ghost (appearing to who?) just to stay in the franchise.

Exactly the type of manufactured bs that helped ruin the PT.
 
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I agree--I don't think it's a coincidence that ESB is the most human of the series and also the best.

And I guess SLJ isn't younger than Hamill, but there's no way Windu survived into the time period of Episode VII.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

I think one aspect that made ANH and ESB so great compared to the other films is the human element, as in the characters save for the cantina and Executor bounty hunters were 95% human.

It really gave the fantasy universe a more mature, relatable aspect which starting with ROTJ the films have really moved away from. I don't see them going back to the human/alien ratio of the first two films but it'd really be nice if they did.

Hmm. I don't know about that.

The human element came from the fact the sets and models and costumes were human made instead of computer generated.

No one had a hard time relating to 3P0, R2 or even Chewbacca.
 
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Hmm. I don't know about that.

The human element came from the fact the sets and models and costumes were human made instead of computer generated.

ROTJ and even most of TPM had real sets, costumes, and models so it definitely isn't that. It was the fact that the conflict and primary interactions were all human vs. human with a little alien spice (Chewie, Yoda) thrown in to remind us of the fantastic nature of the galaxy.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

I disagree. Yoda and Luke interaction is as "primary interaction" as they come in ESB and it seemed genuine enough.

I don't think the Jabba scenes are lacking anything because he or his henchmen are alien.

Its all about quality and execution not whether x amount of characters are human.
 
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I disagree. Yoda and Luke interaction is as "primary interaction" as they come in ESB and it seemed genuine enough.

Yes. It did work that one time. Han's quips to Chewie were funny too. But from ROTJ onward they did prove that there can be too much of a good thing.

The Death Star battles, Hoth attack, and drama on Cloud City far outweighed anything involving ewoks, gungans, skiff guards, clones or battle droids. Of those the Sarlacc Pit battle was the best but that's because those aliens were the most "human" of the lot.

Or course if you disagree and prefer aliens and droids and whatnot that's fine, I'm just partial to the drama and how it was presented in ANH and ESB and noticed the greater and greater detachment to "human" characters as the series went on.
 
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