Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2)

[crows]

Well Rose's advice WAS stupid... I mean we're talking about a movie in which she suicide rams a guy to stop him from suicide ramming that big ramming thing, while Holdo's suicide ramming of the First Order was being celebrated just moments before.

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And I guess in a way you could count what Luke did as a 'suicide run' too



Damn they playing Boyega too? Too bad, I like him.

I'm usually completely against trolling, but there's just something so ludicrous about a guy sitting at his computer pretending to be 5 guys heckling some big shot celeb, and the celeb actually wastes his time arguing with them. It's so ridiculous



She wasn't supposed to die in the original script, until they changed it to the 'everybody dies' version. (Which was quite fine, I'm not complaining.)

no, with Boyega it can just be regular criticism.
someone can go "@pacificrim2 was really boring and the cgi looked terrible"
then Boyega will find that tweet and go something like "well at least i am rich, have fun in your bad job" or he will go "well now we know you have terrible taste, too bad though since im rich i dont care"

he does that like every day and when someone insults him he brings up the rich and famous part...

 

[Popnfresh98]

no, with Boyega it can just be regular criticism.
someone can go "@pacificrim2 was really boring and the cgi looked terrible"
then Boyega will find that tweet and go something like "well at least i am rich, have fun in your bad job" or he will go "well now we know you have terrible taste, too bad though since im rich i dont care"

he does that like every day and when someone insults him he brings up the rich and famous part...

Way to lord it over the peasants.... Classy

What a playa

 

[Rorywan]

Cancelling future "Solo" and Obi-Wan and Fett movies to focus solely on giving fans what they want: a new trilogy written and directed by Rian Johnson. About damn time.

i know you must be joking.... right?

 

[crows]

i know you must be joking.... right?

Its true bro.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

i know you must be joking.... right?

Apparently it's all BS.

Lucasfilm Shuts Down Reports Of Standalone Star Wars Movies Being Placed On Hold

There are currently “multiple” Star Wars projects percolating in development over at Lucasfilm, and the company has even gone so far as to deny claims that its standalone movies (see: Boba Fett, Obi-Wan Kenobi) were on hold until further notice.Per ABC, Lucasfilm has finally responded to Collider’s alleged scoop that future spinoffs had been placed on ice so that the Powers That Be could focus on one movie at a time, beginning with the release of Episode IX.

Solo‘s pitiful box office return was supposedly the reason for this change of heart, though if ABC’s report is any indication, it would seem Collider jumped the gun, and that Lucasfilm is still making headway on those spinoff movies dedicated to Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Lucasfilm told ABC News there are still “multiple Star Wars films currently in development that have not been officially announced. Those projects are moving forward separate from an already-announced Star Wars trilogy being overseen by The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson and another series of movies from Game of Thrones producers David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.
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Whatever the case, all eyes now turn toward Star Wars: Episode IX ahead of its arrival in December of 2019.

 

[crows]

d a m a g e c o n t r o l

 

[Darth Snoopy]

That's just your opinion.

Unless you're (not you specifically, Crows) a Disney exec no one on this board knows what's really going on.

 

[crows]

Solo flopping has to make them change course. It is just logical that they need to put the breaks on this

 

[Khev]

I think the only given after Solo's box office is that future "Solo" movies will be cancelled (which sucks.) But then again maybe that's for the best because now we don't have to worry about these characters being tainted by a sucky follow-up which obviously can always happen.

 

[crows]

I dont think boba fett is happening

 

[Khev]

Well Rose's advice WAS stupid... I mean we're talking about a movie in which she suicide rams a guy to stop him from suicide ramming that big ramming thing, while Holdo's suicide ramming of the First Order was being celebrated just moments before.

.....

And I guess in a way you could count what Luke did as a 'suicide run' too

I still thoroughly enjoy TLJ but I have no problem declaring that Rose Tico is just a lame character. Not a "nerd rage" or "triggering" kind of lame but man does almost everything out of her mouth make me roll my eyes.

The freaking self-righteousness that spews out of her in pretty much every scene. During her first interaction with Finn, during Canto Bight, against DJ, her utterly lame "this is how we win" speech, hell I even rolled my eyes at how judgy she was against the FO and they're the actual bad guys, lol.

She just reminds us how awesome guys like Han Solo are. As you said Luke himself was also on a suicide run at the end of ANH and what did Han do, crash the Falcon into Luke? Hell no.

He helped his buddy take out the weapon that was about to annihilate the rebellion (which, you know, actually "saved" the people they loved.) But then in the Carbon Freezing Chamber he ordered Chewie to stand down and stop "fighting those we hate" because it wasn't the proper time. See he actually had a level of common sense as to what actions should be taken at any given time. Rose was just ass backwards in pretty much every single one of her convictions. She looked down on the heroic actions of others and only stepped up to the plate in the worst possible ways.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Really great post! I too am very surprised at how some people see and interpret Luke in particular. When the movie had recently come out, one of the Freaks here insisted that Luke was "humiliated" by having to drink the sea cow milk. I didn't remember fully at the time since I had only seen it once, but I responded that I didn't remember that scene as humiliating at all--that it was Luke almost taunting and purposely trying to disgust Rey with his drinking the milk, and further showing how in tune and balanced he had become with the island. Seeing it again on Blu Ray (and the gif that pops up every once in a while), it's definitely Luke trying to disgust Rey so she'll stop following him and bothering him. I don't remember who it was I had the exchange with, but I wonder if he still feels the same.

I agree with you about the sea cow thing not being humiliating to Luke at all. In fact, it's one of the most overblown things among the TLJ reaction, IMO. Granted, I don't think the scene was particularly necessary (especially given that the prop team had to have the sea cows helicoptered into the location ), but it did help establish at least three things: 1.) Luke's state of mind, 2.) Luke having been there long enough to learn a routine for basic survival, and 3.) that he's trying to accelerate Rey's disillusionment.

Plus, Luke grew up working moisture farms on a desert planet; I wouldn't be surprised if he had to do something similar in his youth to get milk or other sustenance. Was it a weird visual? Yes! But is it worth all the reaction it got? Hardly. It's a scene we can joke around about, but nothing more sinister than that.

I think the prank that Luke plays on Rey (pretending the islanders were in danger) should have been a give-away that Luke had been toying with her all along.

That scene should never have been cut. Better than any other Rey/Luke interaction that actually made the theatrical cut, it provides the basis for why Luke would develop enough of an affinity for Rey to be moved by Yoda's admonition not to fail her. Rey also showed how she's the embodiment of "Do or do not; there is no try" - waste no time with doubt, just trust in yourself (and the Force) to go do what's right. And then it ends with her giving Luke a blunt look at himself in that context. Frustrates me every time I watch it that it didn't make the final cut.

 

[xipotec]

I agree with you about the sea cow thing not being humiliating to Luke at all. In fact, it's one of the most overblown things among the TLJ reaction, IMO. Granted, I don't think the scene was particularly necessary (especially given that the prop team had to have the sea cows helicoptered into the location ), but it did help establish at least three things: 1.) Luke's state of mind, 2.) Luke having been there long enough to learn a routine for basic survival, and 3.) that he's trying to accelerate Rey's disillusionment.

Plus, Luke grew up working moisture farms on a desert planet; I wouldn't be surprised if he had to do something similar in his youth to get milk or other sustenance. Was it a weird visual? Yes! But is it worth all the reaction it got? Hardly. It's a scene we can joke around about, but nothing more sinister than that.



That scene should never have been cut. Better than any other Rey/Luke interaction that actually made the theatrical cut, it provides the basis for why Luke would develop enough of an affinity for Rey to be moved by Yoda's admonition not to fail her. Rey also showed how she's the embodiment of "Do or do not; there is no try" - waste no time with doubt, just trust in yourself (and the Force) to go do what's right. And then it ends with her giving Luke a blunt look at himself in that context. Frustrates me every time I watch it that it didn't make the final cut.

All spot on....

But many folks were looking for reasons to dislike a Disney lead SW film from the start, others don’t like seeing Luke anything but a God.


What every the reasons I think most people believe the “ruined my childhood” folks really need to focus their lives on something besides super fandom.

Its unhealthily and unrealistic in this day and age to put a film on a pedestal and think it will be a religious experience .....

I personally LOVE the Rebels TV series....people hate that also....its a no win situation for Dis to please all....


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Rotfish]

It's for the best. This IP needs a break, as do we.

 

[chewblacca]

Another thing I didn’t understand about TLJ is why was Luke wearing his Jedi robes at all when Rey came to the planet if he had given up being a Jedi and his connection to the force altogether? The next time he wears them was when he goes to burn down the tree. Maybe he wanted to give it up but the force wouldn’t let him?

 

[greedo737]

Their ******** reasoning I read was that he was waiting there to commit suicide at the end of TFA. He needs to wear traditional Jedi robes to do that? Please. Just another **** up by RJ who wrote the script before seeing TFA. What a great film! So many connections to the first one! :sarcasm:

 

[chewblacca]

Suicide? Wow Luke really has gone to the dark side. If he went there to kill himself and get away from everyone why give R2 and that old guy directions on where to find him?

 

[crows]

how was he gonna die? was he about to jump from the cliff when rey found him? thats really dark...

 

[Khev]

Luke committing suicide was just something made up by people who hate the film. The novelization stated that he would always put on his Jedi robes when he was about to burn down the tree but he could just never bring himself to follow through with it. That's what he was preparing to do when Rey arrived and interrupted him.

 

[Bravomite]

Another thing I didn’t understand about TLJ is why was Luke wearing his Jedi robes at all when Rey came to the planet if he had given up being a Jedi and his connection to the force altogether? The next time he wears them was when he goes to burn down the tree. Maybe he wanted to give it up but the force wouldn’t let him?

Well the real reason is because JJ was going to portray Luke as a powerful Jedi master at the end of TFA. When Rey approached him he would be surrounded by levitating boulders and obviously not cut off from the force - hence Jedi Master outfit.

Rian didn't like this idea and went his own way. According to Mark, JJ and RJ caught the discrepancies between their different intentions for Luke whilst TFA was in post production and the levitating boulders were scrubbed.

So the LFL Retcon explanation is as Khev said above, Luke puts on his Jedi master robes when he goes to burn down the tree and the Jedi books - it's symbolic or something. Apparently he has tried to burn it all down many times but can never go through with it. Rey arrives after another failed attempt. Obviously never explained in the film because why would they when it could be inserted in the visual dictionary or novelisation instead.