Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

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Yeah, but... enjoy it, don't enjoy it... it is all immaterial in the larger context of time, humanity and the stories that define us. In fifty years, a hundred years, the OT will still be classic and everything else will be... everything else. Not to say there aren't some good things in that everything else.

All I'm saying is that what has become clear is that the OT was indeed lightning in a bottle - for whatever reason; the moment in time, the people involved, whatever. And whether you like it or not, your great-grandkids will be watching the OT because it is a deeply resonant, mythic and utterly timeless story. The rest will fade, be dated... then long forgotten. Like a sun-faded video box in a 1990's video store that hasn't been rented since 1987.

The rest was always an attempt to graft onto that intangible of the OT... for all the various reasons: because people always want more of a good thing, because there's huge money to be made, because there is merchandise to sell and stock prices to prop up. I don't mean it cynically - films are art, but they are more a business. That's Disney's job.

But then there is just the story - the thing that taps deeply into humanity, where it has been and where it is going. Stories that know us and haunt us. And in SW, that is just the OT.

Forget the billion, forget the two billion, forget Rotten Tomatoes, forget bots and alt right conspiracies of ponytailed too-old nerds who should die. Time... that's the ultimate reviewer. And all of this stuff including the ST - the everything else - will be washed away by the relentless tide of time and the OT will still be like a rock. Forever. That's what you're up against.

So don't talk about old things needing to die. You're willing the impossible with only a huge pile of money and the will of an entertainment conglomerate to back you up. This - Disney's ST - will die with time, and OT will stand like an ancient over its grave.
You could argue that with most intellectual properties though. Harry Potter, Dragon Ball Z/Super, etc.

And I’m not suggesting the notion that people should simply let the OT die. It will never fade. It is the timeless classic of the franchise. However, in the scope of these new films, too much emphasis is put on things from the OT and it’s beginning to hamper the enjoyment for those placing that kind of weight on it.


By the way, unless you’re a twelve year old, most of us have been with Star Wars for the last thirty plus years. Just saying. It’s gotten plenty of support, lol.
 
When does this come out do you think....?

They're actually shooting stuff for the Blu-Ray release right now.

Here's a couple of behind the scenes pics of the Luke force projection sequence (Dave Franco as dyed-beard Luke, green screen for Ahch-To temple shots):

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Disrespect to the Lore/Mythos and Old Characters aside for a moment, ask youself why this is the 5th movie to be about the Empire Vs Rebels? Please don't give me their new stupid ****ing names, we all know they are offshoots/remnants of the old orginizations.

If this film and or the franchise wanted to really subvert expectations then why does it feature Jedi/Sith or Empire Vs Rebels, is that the only story in the whole Galaxy??? If someone mentions that the former is a staple of the series, my rebuttal is so are light saber on light saber battles and we didn't see that.

The very fact that this movie has been so devisive speaks volumes about its worth, it wouldn't be a strech to say its a close 50/50 loved and or hated it. Everyone that likes the movie defends it to death, and says this is a Star Wars for the future and new generation, ****ers you wouldn't have Star Wars if it wasn't for a loyal and dedicated fanbase who supported it through the years.

it is really pathetic that the video games and even the comics can come up with new stuff or even do different stuff but this multi million empire run by hack Kathleen Kennedy cant even create an original story.
 
You could argue that with most intellectual properties though. Harry Potter, Dragon Ball Z/Super, etc.

And I’m not suggesting the notion that people should simply let the OT die. It will never fade. It is the timeless classic of the franchise. However, in the scope of these new films, too much emphasis is put on things from the OT and it’s beginning to hamper the enjoyment for those placing that kind of weight on it.


By the way, unless you’re a twelve year old, most of us have been with Star Wars for the last thirty plus years. Just saying. It’s gotten plenty of support, lol.

is this what you meant by low IQ star wars fans on twitter?
cuz those are trolling to get angry reactions.... they are clearly trolling on purpose to make you mad


 
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is this what you meant by low IQ star wars fans on twitter?
cuz those are trolling to get angry reactions.... they are clearly trolling on purpose to make you mad



Not that particularly, no.

And it’s not just twitter, but it’s also youtube comments sections, Reddit, Facebook, etc. I kept away from that mess till I saw the film. Reading through some of it now has taxed my brain cells, even if the space cow titty milk jokes were funny.
 
Just talking to a friend who went back home for the holidays hoping to see TLJ... but no one would go with him. Everyone he asked said "nah, I heard it was bad."

:lol

#perspective

LMFAO!!!
 
"Yes, Admiral! I said... just have a couple of fighters go into hyperspace through those Star Destroyers... and we might just take all of them with us!."

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"All wings report in - we need three volunteers to go into hyperspace right into that station, ejecting as you do it might work..."

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"Good... our first catch of the... wait no, IT'S JUST GONE INTO HYPERSP---!"

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Awesome! and the butt hurt defenders bury their heads in the sand :rotfl
 
You have the choice of keeping Luke alive - and Hamill doing a pretty great performance - versus keeping Leia alive with CF's mouth and facial movement a bit - limited (not sure what that was about) - and you choose to kill Luke and have Leia live on to the next one?

All other creative choices in TLJ aside, why wouldn't you keep Luke around for - something - in Ep IX? A ST movie without any OT cast member is a PT movie to me.:dunno

The major part of the appeal of the ST was to see the OT heroes in action again, but they ditched that after the 2nd movie. Unfortunately for me, I'm not all that engaged with Ren, Finn and Kylo, and there's so few questions posed in TLJ that need answering - all the questions posed in TFA got an "LOL" subversion answer anyway.

exactly! but KK's dumb a$$ vision for this movie was all around Rey. After waiting for 35 years to see Luke, all we get is a weak, whiney old man who's used as a throw away plot device
 
kK spit on the old ways..she crapped on them,she tortured and murdered them,from Lucas to Luke....all dead on behalf of the new shoehorned Kennedy Disney world order....its all filler now with preservatives....the all natural force is dead....the ugly Amazons are in charge now...only a Sith Emperor or death itself can save star wars..Rey new blood zero to hero overnight Disney dreams wishing upon a star ...FU entitled force children
 
You have the choice of keeping Luke alive - and Hamill doing a pretty great performance - versus keeping Leia alive with CF's mouth and facial movement a bit - limited (not sure what that was about) - and you choose to kill Luke and have Leia live on to the next one?

All other creative choices in TLJ aside, why wouldn't you keep Luke around for - something - in Ep IX? A ST movie without any OT cast member is a PT movie to me.:dunno

The major part of the appeal of the ST was to see the OT heroes in action again, but they ditched that after the 2nd movie. Unfortunately for me, I'm not all that engaged with Ren, Finn and Kylo, and there's so few questions posed in TLJ that need answering - all the questions posed in TFA got an "LOL" subversion answer anyway.

That's why they introduced Rose. Now you're engaged. :lecture
 
They seriously named the fat guy "Tubbs?" Christ. I guess Porkins wasn't on the nose enough for today's audiences. Maybe the next fat pilot to blow up attacking the next Death Star will be named "Fatty Fatty Fat Fat" so there are no misunderstandings.
 
These films don't taint the OT for me. I look at them as fan fiction and "what if" style comics. The OT was and is my cannon Star Wars universe.
 
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