Yeah that’s like 2 dudes who have barely posted, hardly representative. The rest of us are pretty civil, we’re just having fun. Whereas I can show you multiple posts everyday from both regulars and non regulars on the lovers side that are insulting. Why do you choose to ignore those? I could also quote a bunch of people and the quotes would run down the page, but I don’t feel the need to.
I responded to the other fella and not you as one guy on the 'good Star Wars lovers’ side said something, and you retorted back. That's fair enough. The one I did quote was the usual 'lump 'em all together for whatever arbitrary reason I decide' thing without any logic to what he said.
That's why I wrote "some" and not "all".
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aa909 said:
Seems like the defenders can't live with themselves knowing there are folks that hate this movie??
The opposite is becoming more apparent. The differences have largely been civil, yet there is seemingly a growing number of haters (across numerous threads) who seek to turn those who liked the film on the grounds that only an "idiot" would like this "steaming pile of garbage".
The film
was clumsy, but there
is good in it if you give it a chance. The clumsiness gave rise to a viewpoint that the film promotes an unopposed feminist ideology: Kennedy's emasculation of men told through the medium of
Star Wars. That has been one of the most widespread attacks against TLJ, and is fueled by posters on message boards and by certain Youtube 'personalities'. That's where hate becomes infectious, it spreads exponentially as 'truth'.
I've been there on both sides of the fence, and know what it's like to be on both sides of the argument. But when I gave the film a proper, unbiased view I no longer saw the story and characters promoting that one-sided, anti-male feminism. It can be seen in the character of Holdo, but it's challenged, and even Holdo recants, until by the end we see a balance restored, represented by the leadership of Poe and Leia.
Once you get past the seductive, negative pre-conceptions - because hate is often the easier path - you can start to watch the film in the more traditional manner of a
Star Wars movie. The OT doesn't stand up critically in many regards, yet it works and has stood the test of time. The PT is perpetually problematic because it exposed the process of the wars among the stars, through the discussions of trade, taxation and the behind the scenes machinations of
casus belli. (Plus it has the ever present grating Jar Jar Binks and the emasculated Battle Droids).
In this regard the ST is closer in nature to the OT because its focus is on action and the moral dilemma of the hero. The details of how this situation came about is left largely undescribed, and becomes apparent in the new EU of comics and novels rather than on screen.
