Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[crows]

Stop the presses!

Did..did..did you just extol some praise towards a Disney SW movie!?! Hnnng

Slight praise is still praise you know, no backsies!

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Wait until Wor-Gar finds out, DiFabio better have his words taken back by midday or there’ll be hell to pay.

oh god... you got to him!

 

[jye4ever]

Rorywan and a-dev are not safe.

 

[Rorywan]

"no backsies"

 

[DiFabio]

100% agree Mr DiFabio.

Rory my man, how are things. You doing well?

oh god... you got to him!

No he didn't, TLJ sucks sweaty balls. It makes me sick. I'll probably never watch it again.

I think every movie has some good qualities to them, I'd be delusional if I said I didn't like some things about TLJ, it's just, TLJ doesn't have enough. With the prequels, I can name atleast two hands worth of fingers of positives and things I like. The Original Trilogy, I need more than two hands because there are so many great elements to them. This current sequel trilogy, I'm lucky if I can get one hands worth, if that. They're just so dull and uninspiring. If they're not ripping off the other 6 movies by being too derivative, they makes up dumb **** that makes this universe feel really, really stupid. They don't add anything to this mythos. I'm beginning to see that what led up to and culminated in Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith are decent endings to this whole Star Wars thing. Every thing after just feels like needless after thoughts of a company trying to cash in on a brand name, and poorly at that.

 

[aa909]

Rian Johnson plagiarized the movie's script from a Reylo fan fiction? From the plot to even the dialogue word for word. The fan fiction was written just after the Force Awakens. People who read it could predict what was going to happen next in TLJ.

wow what a freaking disaster

 

[aa909]

And I disagree with you Khev. Loved ATOC, loathed TLJ.

ATOC>>>TLJ

at least ATOC tried to be a Star Wars movie in the Star Wars universe

 

[abake]

Right, because the entire Star Wars universe hinges on one lineage. Jesus Christ, give me a break. I tire of the Skywalkers being THE sole reason for whatever delusional ties people have to the lore. But if one film and the direction it took, quality not withstanding, makes you feel abandonment is your place in all of this... well, you won’t be missed.

Well, actually, the entire idea of SW through the OT and the PT is the story of the Skywalker family.
So, if you're doing a sequel trilogy to those six movies you really have to give closure to that family's story... If you don't want to do that, or if you think that it's not necessary, well, you're wrong.
The ST started off as precisely that: the chance of closing the Skywalker chapter and setting up a new group of characters. TFA did that fine: it gave Leia and Solo closure and set up Poe Dameron as the cocky, self-assured "scoundrel", set up Rey as the new heroine (the role previously occupied by Leia) and set up Luke for the "mentor" role. But then TLJ screwed the entire thing up, because by killing Luke it took away the chance of closing the Skywalker Saga satisfactorily. Sure, he may come back as a ghost, but he never did pass on the torch. He actually refused to do so.
What happened is something like this: you're telling the story of the Corleone family. You start off with Vito, then Vito dies and you continue the story with Michael and then, instead of having Michael teach his nephew the ways of the family, you kill off Michael and pick up with one of the grandchildren of the Tattaglia family. It makes no sense. It goes against the entire idea of why these movies exist. You don't make a movie about Tattaglia or Barzini and call it the Godfather 3.
If you want to do that kind of thing, you set up a story in the same universe and call it "A Star Wars Story". Like RO.

 

[jye4ever]

Rory my man, how are things. You doing well?




No he didn't, TLJ sucks sweaty balls. It makes me sick. I'll probably never watch it again.

I think every movie has some good qualities to them, I'd be delusional if I said I didn't like some things about TLJ, it's just, TLJ doesn't have enough. With the prequels, I can name atleast two hands worth of fingers of positives and things I like. The Original Trilogy, I need more than two hands because there are so many great elements to them. This current sequel trilogy, I'm lucky if I can get one hands worth, if that. They're just so dull and uninspiring. If they're not ripping off the other 6 movies by being too derivative, they makes up dumb **** that makes this universe feel really, really stupid. They don't add anything to this mythos. I'm beginning to see that what led up to and culminated in Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith are decent endings to this whole Star Wars thing. Every thing after just feels like needless after thoughts of a company trying to cash in on a brand name, and poorly at that.

Crap I was about to post:

“Today will be a day long remembered. It has seen the death of Wor-Gar’s ally, and will soon see the end of DiFabio’s black heart”

But nope lol

 

[Rorywan]

Rory my man, how are things. You doing well?

Escaped into reality for a while.. didn't like it too much.. so I came back here to listen to Jye and Khev fornicate like giggling schoolgirls over TLJ.

 

[aa909]

Well, actually, the entire idea of SW through the OT and the PT is the story of the Skywalker family.
So, if you're doing a sequel trilogy to those six movies you really have to give closure to that family's story... If you don't want to do that, or if you think that it's not necessary, well, you're wrong.
The ST started off as precisely that: the chance of closing the Skywalker chapter and setting up a new group of characters. TFA did that fine: it gave Leia and Solo closure and set up Poe Dameron as the cocky, self-assured "scoundrel", set up Rey as the new heroine (the role previously occupied by Leia) and set up Luke for the "mentor" role. But then TLJ screwed the entire thing up, because by killing Luke it took away the chance of closing the Skywalker Saga satisfactorily. Sure, he may come back as a ghost, but he never did pass on the torch. He actually refused to do so.
What happened is something like this: you're telling the story of the Corleone family. You start off with Vito, then Vito dies and you continue the story with Michael and then, instead of having Michael teach his nephew the ways of the family, you kill off Michael and pick up with one of the grandchildren of the Tattaglia family. It makes no sense. It goes against the entire idea of why these movies exist. You don't make a movie about Tattaglia or Barzini and call it the Godfather 3.
If you want to do that kind of thing, you set up a story in the same universe and call it "A Star Wars Story". Like RO.

^^^ This is exactly right. If you want to go in an entirely new direction then don't bill the movie as an OT-Skywalker continuation. Kickstart or reboot the franchise 100+ years after ROTJ and tell the story with Rey, Kylo, the FO etc with no tie ins to the OT.

But KK wanted to go in a new direction and she also wanted to maximize ticket sales by billing this as a OT-Luke Skywalker storyline... bait and switch IMO

 

[abake]

AOTC was a bad movie but it did not desecrate the franchise.

I couldn't disagree more.

Hate it all you want, but AOTC didn't desecrate the franchise in the sense that it didn't mess around with character's personalities, didn't mess around with established in-universe parameters and lore, and didn't undermine the tone and feel of the franchise.

 

[Chakor]

And thinks that The First Avenger is the worst MCU flick. Dat girl is cray cray.

First Avenger >>>>> Civil Bore

 

[abake]

Well now that all the complaints against this film have been debunked as invalid (save for the annoying Canto Bight kids) I'd say I'm mostly retired. Mostly.

Looking at the lively discussion, I think you're just having a conversation with jye4ever

 

[a-dev]

Well, actually, the entire idea of SW through the OT and the PT is the story of the Skywalker family.
So, if you're doing a sequel trilogy to those six movies you really have to give closure to that family's story... If you don't want to do that, or if you think that it's not necessary, well, you're wrong.
The ST started off as precisely that: the chance of closing the Skywalker chapter and setting up a new group of characters. TFA did that fine: it gave Leia and Solo closure and set up Poe Dameron as the cocky, self-assured "scoundrel", set up Rey as the new heroine (the role previously occupied by Leia) and set up Luke for the "mentor" role. But then TLJ screwed the entire thing up, because by killing Luke it took away the chance of closing the Skywalker Saga satisfactorily. Sure, he may come back as a ghost, but he never did pass on the torch. He actually refused to do so.
What happened is something like this: you're telling the story of the Corleone family. You start off with Vito, then Vito dies and you continue the story with Michael and then, instead of having Michael teach his nephew the ways of the family, you kill off Michael and pick up with one of the grandchildren of the Tattaglia family. It makes no sense. It goes against the entire idea of why these movies exist. You don't make a movie about Tattaglia or Barzini and call it the Godfather 3.
If you want to do that kind of thing, you set up a story in the same universe and call it "A Star Wars Story". Like RO.

I generally agree - I'd only say that ROTJ was really the only closure any of these characters and their relationships needed. The sequels, including TFA, unless you love the direction they took, feel tacked on and superfluous. Alas I don't like it and I didn't want to see them all die, that sucks.



Anywho, pertaining to TLJ - Luke wanted to end the Jedi by closing himself off from the force.



1) Kylo was still out there, and he knew this. And didn't he know about Snoke aswell? Did he really feel no obligation to deal with the current bad guy problem? I'm not sure that TLJ's explanation for his self-imposed exile excuses the fact he leaves these guys to run rampant in the galaxy and his sister has to deal with it alone. Maybe I'm forgetting some of the rationale here.
2) And in any case surely he must know that you cannot ''end the Jedi'' - as this film and the PT make clear - force sensitive people are everywhere. Some of them don't even seem to need much in the way of training.

 

[jye4ever]

I love how history is always overlooked by some when making their case against Kennedy.

It was BECAUSE of the EMBARRASSMENT caused by the PT, you know the now famous “Lucas raped my childhood” that TLJ haters and PT lovers want never brought up, that built the foundation for the OT characters to return.

Fans were drooling for their return to “unrape their childhoods”.

The demand was so strong that it lead to a near TPM 1998/1999 nirvana that culminated in an over 2 billion box office and toppled countless box office records!

Lucas would’ve never sold to Disney had TPM been received like TFA.

In essence it was the SW fans themselves who now hate TLJ that are responsible for the creation of TLJ! Ouch that stings doesn’t it.

So yeah keep talking **** with your history blinders on about Kennedy going off in new directions while maximizing profits by dragging the SW fans thru the bait and switch mud because the ugly truth is that LUCAS is the architect of your worst nightmares if not for him and Spielberg Kennedy wouldn’t even be in her position that LUCAS gave her!

Yes lets just ignore history to better my argument against TLJ.

Open your eyes Lucas even said he loved TLJ.

If he meant it that sucks for the haters.

If he is a sell out then that also sucks for the haters because your SW savior calvary isn’t coming to the rescue.

You lose either way.

Just face it SW is dead for you.

Move along this isn’t the SW you’re looking for lol

 

[Rorywan]

I love how history is always overlooked by some when making their case against Kennedy.

It was BECAUSE of the EMBARRASSMENT caused by the PT, you know the now famous “Lucas raped my childhood” that TLJ haters and PT lovers want never brought up, that built the foundation for the OT characters to return.

Fans were drooling for their return to “unrape their childhoods”.

And then Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy managed somehow to do a worse job - TLJ makes 2 of the prequels look like masterpieces.

 

[jye4ever]

Rian raped my PT childhood lol

 

[abake]

I love how history is always overlooked by some when making their case against Kennedy.

It was BECAUSE of the EMBARRASSMENT caused by the PT, you know the now famous “Lucas raped my childhood” that TLJ haters and PT lovers want never brought up, that built the foundation for the OT characters to return.

Fans were drooling for their return to “unrape their childhoods”.

The demand was so strong that it lead to a near TPM 1998/1999 nirvana that culminated in an over 2 billion box office and toppled countless box office records!

Lucas would’ve never sold to Disney had TPM been received like TFA.

In essence it was the SW fans themselves who now hate TLJ that are responsible for the creation of TLJ! Ouch that stings doesn’t it.

So yeah keep talking **** with your history blinders on about Kennedy going off in new directions while maximizing profits by dragging the SW fans thru the bait and switch mud because the ugly truth is that LUCAS is the architect of your worst nightmares if not for him and Spielberg Kennedy wouldn’t even be in her position that LUCAS gave her!

Yes lets just ignore history to better my argument against TLJ.

Open your eyes Lucas even said he loved TLJ.

If he meant it that sucks for the haters.

If he is a sell out then that also sucks for the haters because your SW savior calvary isn’t coming to the rescue.

You lose either way.

Just face it SW is dead for you.

Move along this isn’t the SW you’re looking for lol

I don't see how that has anything to do with the fact that some of us think these (ST) are bad movies...

And this is not only not the SW we're looking for, it's not really SW (meaning the ST, for reasons I've explained in other posts)...

 

[Rorywan]

Rian raped my PT childhood lol

Rian raped Snoke, raped Rey, raped Phasma, and he definitely took Luke up the back alley.

(and a porg.. probably)

 

[abake]

And then Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy managed somehow to do a worse job - TLJ makes 2 of the prequels look like masterpieces.

Well, they're certainly masterpieces of imagination, design, coherence and universe expansion compared to TFA and TLJ...