Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Asta]

What movie is that from? I always assumed your avatar was Hermione or something.

That's Nastassja Kinski as Susie the Bear from Hotel New Hampshire.

 

[Khev]

Oh wow, I never would have guessed. I remember thinking how hot she was in Terminal Velocity and that one photo of her wearing nothing but a snake that used to be front and center in all those mall framing stores, lol.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I was wondering why it felt so peaceful here the last few days, then I remembered I unsubbed from this thread.

 

[Asta]

Oh wow, I never would have guessed. I remember thinking how hot she was in Terminal Velocity and that one photo of her wearing nothing but a snake that used to be front and center in all those mall framing stores, lol.

One night I was nodding off to sleep in front of the TV and woke to see this strange movie with a girl in a bear suit. I had no idea what it was or what was going on, but it left an impression!

Years later I found it on DVD and it's a really quirky film. I have a fondness for films from the '80s. And Nastassja, who I first saw in Cat People, which also left an impression.

 

[loki2371]

I'm sorry but you can't possibly think that some random photo of Mark sitting wide-eyed in a chair can possibly dispute his own words and the film itself. At the beginning of the movie Kylo Ren says that the effort of using the Force across the galaxy can kill someone (foreshadowing Luke's death) and Carrie filmed an entire scene where she tells Rey that she could feel that Luke had passed and obviously that would had to have been done prior to her death in December 2016, not a last minute "F U" to Hamill by Kennedy or whomever at LFL.

It's not some random photo. It's the photo of his expression after the premier while standing next to Johnson. It's in Talibane's signature. He was happy, hyped and excited before the premiere, lethargic and untalkative after... And Leia's line?? I don't even remember that. I was long checked out from this **** show before that line ever got uttered. I was just impatiently waiting for it to end. Lots can be done in editing to change how a line of dialogue is perceived. There's more cut from a film than what actually makes it in. Maybe they had her film multiple lines of dialogue during that scene.. We will never know. Anyone present would be contractually obligated to keep secrets and not divulge inside information. Carrie would've been the underdog in keeping secret since she's so outspoken, but she's gone. And all the more still, neither of your examples are proof Mark Hamill knew of Luke's death before his viewing at the premiere. Maybe Only Fisher new..

Either way, in the end this movie is terrible. Nothing will ever change that. Even if JJ makes EP9 a masterpiece, I (we) will still have to endure this **** movie as part of the Skywalker 9 part saga movie series. I would rather watch a 24 hour marathon of EPI or EPII before watching this movie in its entirety again.

 

[Khev]

It's not some random photo. It's the photo of his expression after the premier while standing next to Johnson. It's in Talibane's signature. He was happy, hyped and excited before the premiere, lethargic and untalkative after... And Leia's line?? I don't even remember that. I was long checked out from this **** show before that line ever got uttered. I was just impatiently waiting for it to end. Lots can be done in editing to change how a line of dialogue is perceived. There's more cut from a film than what actually makes it in. Maybe they had her film multiple lines of dialogue during that scene.. We will never know. Anyone present would be contractually obligated to keep secrets and not divulge inside information. Carrie would've been the underdog in keeping secret since she's so outspoken, but she's gone. And all the more still, neither of your examples are proof Mark Hamill knew of Luke's death before his viewing at the premiere. Maybe Only Fisher new..

So Hamill's own words (that Luke's death was not a surprise) and the dialogue in the film recorded over a year before it's release is wrong but TaliBane's sig is right. Gotcha, lol.

 

[Khev]

One night I was nodding off to sleep in front of the TV and woke to see this strange movie with a girl in a bear suit. I had no idea what it was or what was going on, but it left an impression!

Years later I found it on DVD and it's a really quirky film. I have a fondness for films from the '80s. And Nastassja, who I first saw in Cat People, which also left an impression.

I hear you.

 

[abake]

That's Nastassja Kinski as Susie the Bear from Hotel New Hampshire.

I loved that movie, have to watch it again.

Meanwhile...

Here's a thoughtful article on why TLJ was a financial disaster of such proportions that it ushered in the need of a full reboot of the franchise and the firing of KK:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/01/22/box-office-6-reasons-the-last-jedi-grossed-750m-less-than-the-force-awakens/#39100f0e3432

Not really, but it is an insightful, thoughtful article...

 

[TonTon]

I know there's no proof of Hamill not knowing Luke died, but a picture tells a thousand words. And there is evidence to suggest he didn't know as Hamill is on the record in interviews saying he was looking forward to Ep9 as he agreed with and was on the same page as to where Colin Trevorrow was taking Luke/his character. He obviously didn't like what Johnson did, recanted or not, it's already out there. And remember No other cast members new about Vader being Luke's dad until the screening, so it's also not surprising that it would be kept a secret.

Hollywood is all about ego's. I wouldn't doubt for one second that Kennedy told Johnson to off Luke after he was making the rounds and conveying his displeasure. She's definitely one who seems she would relish in getting the last laugh. And as I and others have said, it would be extremely easy to have him simply fade away in post during the final editing of the movie.... Bye Bye Lukey... "The Force Is Female" after all...

Daisy and Carrie knew at least. They filmed a scene about Luke's death. I have a really hard to time thinking it wasn't at least a possibility that they planned, meaning they shot reactions of his passing if they wanted to go there. When they decided to ultimately go there is anyone's guess, maybe it was the plan all along and Mark knew. Or maybe it was a 50/50 type of thing and Mark had been led to believe they would keep him around in the flesh based on his talks with Trevorrow.

EDIT: See you and Khev already discussed all the above already.

 

[Vault Boy]

Like I said many times. In the new canon the rules no longer apply. And now... Darth Magneto....




Ridiculous.

 

[jal76]

So Hamill's own words (that Luke's death was not a surprise) and the dialogue in the film recorded over a year before it's release is wrong but TaliBane's sig is right. Gotcha, lol.

Ha ha...it's a little scary...

 

[Adolfo]

Like I said many times. In the new canon the rules no longer apply. And now... Darth Magneto....

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Ridiculous.

Even ridiculous. ..that was > TLJ

 

[YoNoSe]

Rule #1: You can’t use the force on big metal things.

I think Yoda says that in ESB right after Luke can’t lift his X-Wing.

#sizemattersalot

 

[loki2371]

So Hamill's own words (that Luke's death was not a surprise) and the dialogue in the film recorded over a year before it's release is wrong but TaliBane's sig is right. Gotcha, lol.

Did Hamill say that in an interview somewhere? Or are you quoting from his tweet when he tried to recant his statements about being unhappy about the movie. Weeks later when it was all over the internet. Yeah, Disney had no influence over his statement. Gotcha, lol. I stopped bothering to watch any vids awhile ago.

And like I said, lots of different dialogue can be recorded. Fact: Directors film the same scene with multiple takes, and sometimes dialogue, over and and over.. So they have lots of options in post and to see how they play out. And trying to be smart about saying a photograph is a lie is a bit of a stretch. It's not just the photograph. There's a whole video. That's a screen cap. So you tell me why he looks the way he does, since you seem to to know the truth better than anyone else.

It's clear you'll never change your opinion and admit this is a terrible written movie, but don't dismiss fact from fiction. I did say there is a possibility there was changes and backed it up with examples of factual information. I never said I fully believed, but rather it wouldn't surprise me.

Daisy and Carrie knew at least. They filmed a scene about Luke's death. I have a really hard to time thinking it wasn't at least a possibility that they planned, meaning they shot reactions of his passing if they wanted to go there. When they decided to ultimately go there is anyone's guess, maybe it was the plan all along and Mark knew. Or maybe it was a 50/50 type of thing and Mark had been led to believe they would keep him around in the flesh based on his talks with Trevorrow.

EDIT: See you and Khev already discussed all the above already.

Yeah, but Khev's still in denial that TLJ is a bad movie. One day he'll come to his senses...

 

[Captain Clown]

Spoiler

 

[TonTon]

Like I said many times. In the new canon the rules no longer apply. And now... Darth Magneto....

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Ridiculous.

The comics are canon technically but most people ignore them/are unaware of them. What happens in the movie is what matters for most.

That said, I'm in total agreement. The comics in general are pretty poor and what they do with the force in the comics is a joke and makes them trash IMO. They just want the force to be able to do what is done in the rest of the Marvel universe. Good new Star Wars comics have been few and far between--I've been reading the Poe ones, which are readable, and some of the miniseries like Lando have been okay. The Vader was good, though I'm sure it had ridiculous stuff in it too.

 

[Adolfo]

jYE would gotten thrown outta the Polar Express with a ticket hole punched "I BELIEVE IN KHEV " lol

 

[Khev]

Rule #1: You can’t use the force on big metal things.

I think Yoda says that in ESB right after Luke can’t lift his X-Wing.

#sizemattersalot

(though I do agree that the comics are often ridiculous and not to be taken seriously)

 

[crows]

Spoiler

I was listening to this when i opened this freaking picture im dying

 

[YoNoSe]

(though I do agree that the comics are often ridiculous and not to be taken seriously)

I don’t even read them.

I do like The Force Unleashed games. They had some crazy moments.