Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[jye4ever]

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I think the TLJ seacow should represent 2018 Femme Power. We need hats and t-shirts, stat!

Slogans like:

Drink from the teat

If its good enough for Master Luke...

That Jurassic cow is most excellent worthy of praise in the archives of the jye order.

My favorite part about the “men” who are complaining about the cinematic assault on their masculinity is that I bet in the real world women wouldn’t even view them as masculine enough to even be a threat to them.

To be accused of exhibiting toxic masculinity one first needs to actually be masculine lol.

Try not to flatter yourselves too much.

 

[jye4ever]

Poe isn't the leader. Last I remember was Leia back in charge and staring blankly at a pile of rocks. Meanwhile mere hours earlier she was defying death in space by surrounding herself in a force bubble (?) and then using the force to fly through space ultimately rescuing herself. But we are then to believe lifting a few rocks to save what was left of the resistance were beyond her abilities, so instead Rey came to their rescue. SO NO, Poe is not in charge, but he is now best buds with Rey.... ??? **** me.... So much of this **** makes no sense....

Ummmm you are clearly forgetting the entire resistance group looking at Leia for guidance in the cave at the climax of the movie and Leia saying “WHY ARE YOU ALL LOOKING AT ME FOLLOW HIS ORDERS!”

So YES if you pay attention to the actual movie Poe WAS IN CHARGE!

But yes lets ignore all of that because of why, oh that’s right TOXIC MASCULINITY, that’s right I forgot.

 

[Khev]

if you pay attention to the actual movie

Now there's a novel idea, lol.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I try that all the time, but then everyone assaults with "according to the visual dictionary" or "in the Rebels cartoon" or "in the comics..."

 

[xipotec]

People didn't want their surrogate father/brother/secret lover Luke to become a broken man....

that about the jist of it....

All the other complaints about stuff are just why why why...which can be applied to every movie , not just SW.

 

[loki2371]

Ummmm you are clearly forgetting the entire resistance group looking at Leia for guidance in the cave at the climax of the movie and Leia saying “WHY ARE YOU ALL LOOKING AT ME FOLLOW HIS ORDERS!”

So YES if you pay attention to the actual movie Poe WAS IN CHARGE!

But yes lets ignore all of that because of why, oh that’s right TOXIC MASCULINITY, that’s right I forgot.

First, why are you again attacking people? And I didn't say anything about your toxic masculinity comment, just Poe being in charge.

Second, Leia Shouting "Follow his orders" doesn't mean he is now in charge, she is simply telling the others to follow him. I've told others what to do in the presence of my (our) boss, and have them also respond to do what I said. That didn't mean I was now his boss and "In Charge"....

 

[jye4ever]

Now there's a novel idea, lol.

I have never seen a movie where the complaints against it are so easily debunked in a matter of seconds and it doesn’t even take an army of people to strategize the defense it’s like you, me and dupree.

But your Fox analogy takes the cake lol

I’ll say it for the 100th time TLJ just like ROTJ/TPM/AOTC/ROTS/TFA AND RO is not perfect.

But the quality of complaints levied against TLJ are quite laughable at least the complaints made against Saw’s backstory or Vader’s aggression in RO made more sense.

 

[jye4ever]

First, why are you again attacking people? And I didn't say anything about your toxic masculinity comment, just Poe being in charge.

Second, Leia Shouting "Follow his orders" doesn't mean he is now in charge, she is simply telling the others to follow him. I've told others what to do in the presence of my (our) boss, and have them also respond to do what I said. That didn't mean I was now his boss and "In Charge"....

So because Poe is not of higher authority than General freaking Leia he is not in charge?

So Leia can do it all on her own she needs no one?

Last I checked there will always be someone higher than you or does the President of the United States not serve the will of the people and the Constitution.

Sure POTUS is in “charge” but even he has a boss.

Poe was in charge enough as per his boss.

In charge doesn’t mean you have to be the highest.

 

[loki2371]

So because Poe is not of higher authority than General freaking Leia he is not in charge?

So Leia can do it all on her own she needs no one?

Last I checked there will always be someone higher than you or does the President of the United States not serve the will of the people and the Constitution.

Sure POTUS is in “charge” but even he has a boss.

Poe was in charge enough as per his boss.

In charge doesn’t mean you have to be the highest.

Ok... Now your making no sense. Your comment was "Holdo sacrificed her life so that white male Poe could become the leader."

So, Holdo became LEADER because Leia (the actual Leader)was in a coma. Then by saying Holdo sacrificed her life so Poe could become THE LEADER, doesn't mean he's the highest authority in their resistance group? I don't understand then.. The Leader isn't the actual person in charge?

 

[jye4ever]

Ok... Now your making no sense. Your comment was "Holdo sacrificed her life so that white male Poe could become the leader."

So, Holdo became LEADER because Leia (the actual Leader)was in a coma. Then by saying Holdo sacrificed her life so Poe could become THE LEADER, doesn't mean he's the highest authority in their resistance group? I don't understand then.. The Leader isn't the actual person in charge?

So Patton and Macarthur weren’t “in charge” of their troops in Europe even though they had bosses?

You answered your own question Poe was leading his troops at the end because it certainly wasn’t Holdo was it lol

That’s all good you can go on thinking Poe was not in charge even though Leia clearly told the troops to listen to Poe.

 

[Spazz]

You know maybe you’re right I am weak.

I’m thinking of joining your crusade brother I want my masculinity to be respected and not labeled as toxic.

What is your plan? How do we stop this imminent threat against our lives!

I say just for starters effective immediately all women are required to walk on all fours like a dog and that goes for our daughters, sisters and mothers too.

Yes yes I like that.

Actually, the name of the "crusade" is called Humanism. Rather than say,

"I don't think men should subjugate women! I think our rulers should be equally representing men and women! 50/50 in 20/20!"

I say,

"We don't need rulers! No human being needs to be subjugated!"

However, weak people (ahem) hear this sort of thing and say, "Oh, you don't like feminism? Well then, you must want all of our mothers and daughters to crawl around on all fours..."

You're weak because you can't imagine a world where you obey no one. You care more about the contents of your ruler's underpants. That's why you're weak.

 

[YoNoSe]

He’s got you all figured out, Jye.

 

[ironwez20]

O my GAWD! It's just a movie. A movie about space wizards. It is not that deep.

 

[Spazz]

O my GAWD! It's just a movie. A movie about space wizards. It is not that deep.

There is no GAWD. Also, you're assuming feminism is "deep". It isn't. There's nothing deep about propaganda; it appeals to emotion instead of reason. Meanwhile, Kathleen Kennedy recently interviewed the director of The Handmaid's Tale (Margret Atwood's feminist nonsense) to direct a Star Wars project.

Hey, if you don't want to use your brain when being indoctrinated, that's your business. However, the feminism is there.

 

[loki2371]

So Patton and Macarthur weren’t “in charge” of their troops in Europe even though they had bosses?

You answered your own question Poe was leading his troops at the end because it certainly wasn’t Holdo was it lol

That’s all good you can go on thinking Poe was not in charge even though Leia clearly told the troops to listen to Poe.

Leia was alive, out of her coma and back in charge (THE LEADER) of the resistance when Holdo sacrificed herself. Your words were Holdo sacrificed herself so Poe could become the Leader (of the Resistance). Didn't she tell Leia to go and keep the resistance alive or something. I'll be honest, I was tuning a lot of this **** out by then and just waiting for this to end. What was Poe becoming the Leader of? The handful of resistance members that were alive and on the Falcon? Is he in charge of Leia now too because Holdo willed it? Or Leia needs an officer to command a handful of people left? Poe is the Captain and she is the General?

Ok. I'll just forget it. Great argument... Good facts...

 

[ironwez20]

There is no GAWD. Also, you're assuming feminism is "deep". It isn't. There's nothing deep about propaganda; it appeals to emotion instead of reason. Meanwhile, Kathleen Kennedy recently interviewed the director of The Handmaid's Tale (Margret Atwood's feminist nonsense) to direct a Star Wars project.

Hey, if you don't want to use your brain when being indoctrinated, that's your business. However, the feminism is there.

Ah who cares. What's the worst that's gonna happen? Not a damn thing. the next star wars movie won't make nearly as much money as the last few and you already got fans hating on this new franchise. So what if they push some agenda? let em. Not the first time this happened and won't be the last. The toys aren't selling the merch is dry so obviously it's not a big deal. Never was. it's a movie. Either they learn or they keep making it. Either way the damage is done and fans don't like it so who cares if they keep pushing the agenda. Fans don't appreciate it.

 

[Spazz]

The truth is Rian Johnson actually dared to treat Luke Skywalker like a genuine character again. He isn't some force of nature in the background, he isn't a cartoonized embodiment of wish fulfillment fantasy (that people ironically scream bloody murder about when manifested in other characters like Rey,) he's a character with an actual arc who starts out lower than he's ever been before ultimately ascending higher than he's ever been. And that's simply good story-telling.

The movie sucked. The reason why most people hated Luke's character is because the catalyst for his frailty deviated from everything we know about the character. It made no sense. Luke Skywalker's refusal to compromise when believing there was good in his father arguably saved the galaxy. Then he considered killing his nephew in his sleep. Like character arcs? Fine. Then you need to account for the radical character change from the OT to this film, because it's a sequel and not a self-contained movie.

 

[Darth Madden]

In my opinion.... Luke was not a "Master Jedi" he only used the force to turn his dad back to the good. When he succeeded I think his care for the force declined. I think he had to keep it up because that's what he thought he should do and he started to teach. Then he got in over his head with Ben and started to go a little crazy from all the pressure of being "Luke" and from the idea that he had to carry the Jedi "spirit." I think the way he acted in TLJ was perfect... Rey got his spirit back and in the end he died wile giving the entire galaxy "A New Hope" for the future.

 

[jye4ever]

He’s got you all figured out, Jye.

Spazz says i’m weak because I can’t imagine a world where you obey no one.

Just wait until he has to hide a Hot Toys or Sideshow purchase from his wife lol

 

[Adolfo]

Spazz says i’m weak because I can’t imagine a world where you obey no one.

Just wait until he has to hide a Hot Toys or Sideshow purchase from his wife lol

You hide with Khev behind the mask and candelabra bro...and what be wrong with hiding my purchases from the old lady boy ?...