Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

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Thanks for the love brother. Free DVD and Rey bed sheets heading your way

-Rian.

Hey, Hey Rian, Hey Rian, how does it feel to lick Kennedy's feet? do you wash them first or do you lick them sweaty?

Hamill is a big fat hairy ***** with zero integrity.


He also smells bad.

now now Difab, hes just a confused scared grandpa that didnt know what he was saying, he only attacked the movie because he was confused and didnt know what he was saying. he was given his meds and he regained his senses.
 
The best way I can describe why I hate The Last Jedi so much, is to compare it to the kind of looting that takes place during war. It's common practice for conquering nations to loot those they've dominated, robbing their museums and stealing their cultural artifacts. This accomplishes more than just stealing a nation's wealth; it erodes their culture.

The Last Jedi was similar, in that Star Wars has always been a part of male culture. Can we all agree on that? Star Wars was originally created for, and marketed to male children specifically. It was a story about coming of age, where a young man leaves the comfort and safety of his home and embraces the danger and chaos of going out into the world, and discovering who he will become. It's as much about violence, self-sufficiency and anti-authoritarianism as it is a moral tale about love and hate. I'm not saying that this description means that the original Star Wars trilogy was "good" or "bad" because of this. That's a separate discussion. But the original trilogy was a very important cultural artifact for many men who are now between the ages of 35 and 50, or so. While some women were interested in Star Wars, it was overwhelmingly catering to men. The films had a profound impact.

I also think it's fair to say that The Last Jedi was critical of male behavior, specifically violence, self-sufficiency and anti-authoritarianism. Each of these traits were portrayed as vices, and all of these "vices" were adopted by male characters. All of the male characters. Each male character was either too violent, too self-sufficient or too anti-authoritarian. Again, we can have a further conversation as to whether or not one should take issue with these traits, but let's leave that as a separate conversation, for now.

My point is, that the original Star Wars trilogy was marketed to young boys, as a celebration of what at the time were considered important facets of manhood. The new Star Wars trilogy, with an idealistic subtext, seems to be aiming criticism at that same demographic, turning the narrative on its head so that the implicit values of the original trilogy are now being portrayed in a negative light. Would you guys agree with that?

In other words, regardless as to whether we agree or disagree with the criticism, Rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy and her writing team usurped a narrative aimed at young boys, and used it as a vehicle to condemn culturally "male" traits that they deem to be problematic. We can agree or disagree as to whether or not the critique is correct, but regardless as to where you are on the ideological spectrum, do you guys agree with that? Did the original trilogy glorify violence, self-sufficiency and anti-authoritarianism as being virtuous? Did the new trilogy portray violence, self-sufficiency and anti-authoritarianism as being problematic, and derived from male behavior?
 
it set up nothing in the characters or story that creates hunger to see IX... given TLJ is the middle film, it's a huge problem for Disney, for the ST, and therefore SW in general.


While I'm generally in the pro-TLJ camp, this is my biggest problem also. The only reason I feel the need to see IX is to see how much JJ can salvage of his original intent!

Yep, it's impressive that TLJ will finish top 10 of all time, but it arguably should have been top 5.
 
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The best way I can describe why I hate The Last Jedi so much, is to compare it to the kind of looting that takes place during war. It's common practice for conquering nations to loot those they've dominated, robbing their museums and stealing their cultural artifacts. This accomplishes more than just stealing a nation's wealth; it erodes their culture.

The Last Jedi was similar, in that Star Wars has always been a part of male culture. Can we all agree on that? Star Wars was originally created for, and marketed to male children specifically. It was a story about coming of age, where a young man leaves the comfort and safety of his home and embraces the danger and chaos of going out into the world, and discovering who he will become. It's as much about violence, self-sufficiency and anti-authoritarianism as it is a moral tale about love and hate. I'm not saying that this description means that the original Star Wars trilogy was "good" or "bad" because of this. That's a separate discussion. But the original trilogy was a very important cultural artifact for many men who are now between the ages of 35 and 50, or so. While some women were interested in Star Wars, it was overwhelmingly catering to men. The films had a profound impact.

I also think it's fair to say that The Last Jedi was critical of male behavior, specifically violence, self-sufficiency and anti-authoritarianism. Each of these traits were portrayed as vices, and all of these "vices" were adopted by male characters. All of the male characters. Each male character was either too violent, too self-sufficient or too anti-authoritarian. Again, we can have a further conversation as to whether or not one should take issue with these traits, but let's leave that as a separate conversation, for now.

My point is, that the original Star Wars trilogy was marketed to young boys, as a celebration of what at the time were considered important facets of manhood. The new Star Wars trilogy, with an idealistic subtext, seems to be aiming criticism at that same demographic, turning the narrative on its head so that the implicit values of the original trilogy are now being portrayed in a negative light. Would you guys agree with that?

In other words, regardless as to whether we agree or disagree with the criticism, Rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy and her writing team usurped a narrative aimed at young boys, and used it as a vehicle to condemn culturally "male" traits that they deem to be problematic. We can agree or disagree as to whether or not the critique is correct, but regardless as to where you are on the ideological spectrum, do you guys agree with that? Did the original trilogy glorify violence, self-sufficiency and anti-authoritarianism as being virtuous? Did the new trilogy portray violence, self-sufficiency and anti-authoritarianism as being problematic, and derived from male behavior?


I think you make some interesting points... But for me it always comes back to the story... Tell a good story and you can talk about the some of the problems that arise due to Violence, self-sufficiency, and anti-authoritarianism. For me personally TLJ failed on the story telling aspect if all this. It was lazy writing at best. At worst it was an attempt to crap all over the original demographic. Either way poor writing is what failed this film.
 
I think you make some interesting points... But for me it always comes back to the story... Tell a good story and you can talk about the some of the problems that arise due to Violence, self-sufficiency, and anti-authoritarianism. For me personally TLJ failed on the story telling aspect if all this. It was lazy writing at best. At worst it was an attempt to crap all over the original demographic. Either way poor writing is what failed this film.

Rey looks hot in this pose therefore your argument is invalid, next! :lecture

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:D
 
Hey, Hey Rian, Hey Rian, how does it feel to lick Kennedy's feet? do you wash them first or do you lick them sweaty?



now now Difab, hes just a confused scared grandpa that didnt know what he was saying, he only attacked the movie because he was confused and didnt know what he was saying. he was given his meds and he regained his senses.

I licked more than that son.

-Rian
 
Yep, it's impressive that TLJ will finish top 10 of all time, but it arguably should have been top 5.

Yet the fact that TLJ performed pretty much identically to AOTC (a fact which would stun every reporter who has breathily given the "entered the top 10 list!" TLJ update) speaks volumes about just how much easier it is to land in that top 10 today.

As I mentioned before, if you look at the all-time list unadjusted, pretty much EVERYTHING in that top 30 was released in the last decade or so. And why would that be?

When the ticket price has almost doubled since the late 90's/early 2000's, tentpole films come out on 25-33% more screens than back then, IMAX/3D/Premium doubles a portion of the per-admission income, and international markets have been delivering more than double what they were 15 years ago (due to development of markets and other factors,) it creates this sense that today's movies are WAY more popular than previous years' films.

What's also interesting about the unadjusted worldwide list (the one that TLJ will land at #8 or #9 on) is that almost 20 out of the top 30 of those movies all landed within a narrow band of $1B and $1.15B. That's because it's like a machine - a studio product/marketing/"sequel universe" machine that rarely fails to deliver 1/2 to 3/4's of a billion even for much-maligned sequels that nobody was really wanting.

The "sequels" part is critical in looking at TLJ. Significantly, 25 out of that top 30 unadjusted worldwide were sequels - whereas if you look at the adjusted list, which is the true test of audience response (the "number of bums on seats" count) and omits all the "cheats" studios today have, only FOUR movies of the top 30 were released in the last decade or so, and only FIVE were sequels.


So despite how people try to spin this, the "TLJ landed in the top 10!" is really more a sign of the economics of the studio sequel business today (and also of the half dozen huge "cheats" studios use today to inflate grosses versus films 15 years ago) than some kind of indicator of once-in-decades financial success, or audiences absolutely loving it as people seem to think with TLJ.

The fact that TLJ landed a little above the $1B to $1.15B that the vast majority of the list made is that it's a sequel follow-up to a $2B grossing mega-hit that was fairly well received by fans, and part of THE #1 sequel franchise brand.

TLJ's total is very much a "business as usual" level, where TLJ joins dozens of other sequels on that worldwide list that all earned $1B to $1.3B in the last decade or so... and yes, if you adjust for inflation (and the "cheats",) AOTC is also there, right alongside TLJ.
 
Well said, I concur. On the surface, the box office lists would suggest the movie business has never been healthier than in the past decade. But it’s an artificially inflated house of cards and Hollywood is fast running out of fresh ideas.
 
Yet the fact that TLJ performed pretty much identically to AOTC (a fact which would stun every reporter who has breathily given the "entered the top 10 list!" TLJ update) speaks volumes about just how much easier it is to land in that top 10 today.

As I mentioned before, if you look at the all-time list unadjusted, pretty much EVERYTHING in that top 30 was released in the last decade or so. And why would that be?

When the ticket price has almost doubled since the late 90's/early 2000's, tentpole films come out on 25-33% more screens than back then, IMAX/3D/Premium doubles a portion of the per-admission income, and international markets have been delivering more than double what they were 15 years ago (due to development of markets and other factors,) it creates this sense that today's movies are WAY more popular than previous years' films.

What's also interesting about the unadjusted worldwide list (the one that TLJ will land at #8 or #9 on) is that almost 20 out of the top 30 of those movies all landed within a narrow band of $1B and $1.15B. That's because it's like a machine - a studio product/marketing/"sequel universe" machine that rarely fails to deliver 1/2 to 3/4's of a billion even for much-maligned sequels that nobody was really wanting.

The "sequels" part is critical in looking at TLJ. Significantly, 25 out of that top 30 unadjusted worldwide were sequels - whereas if you look at the adjusted list, which is the true test of audience response (the "number of bums on seats" count) and omits all the "cheats" studios today have, only FOUR movies of the top 30 were released in the last decade or so, and only FIVE were sequels.


So despite how people try to spin this, the "TLJ landed in the top 10!" is really more a sign of the economics of the studio sequel business today (and also of the half dozen huge "cheats" studios use today to inflate grosses versus films 15 years ago) than some kind of indicator of once-in-decades financial success, or audiences absolutely loving it as people seem to think with TLJ.

The fact that TLJ landed a little above the $1B to $1.15B that the vast majority of the list made is that it's a sequel follow-up to a $2B grossing mega-hit that was fairly well received by fans, and part of THE #1 sequel franchise brand.

TLJ's total is very much a "business as usual" level, where TLJ joins dozens of other sequels on that worldwide list that all earned $1B to $1.3B in the last decade or so... and yes, if you adjust for inflation (and the "cheats",) AOTC is also there, right alongside TLJ.

Well said, I concur. On the surface, the box office lists would suggest the movie business has never been healthier than in the past decade. But it’s an artificially inflated house of cards and Hollywood is fast running out of fresh ideas.

:exactly:
 
Rey looks hot in this pose therefore your argument is invalid, next! :lecture

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:D

Eh, looks like some chick leaving an L.A. yoga class in her organic cotton gym pants, stopping to twist a cheek to finally let out that Paleo-diet fart she's been holding for the past hour.:monkey3
 
Eh, looks like some chick leaving an L.A. yoga class in her organic cotton gym pants, stopping to twist a cheek to finally let out that Paleo-diet fart she's been holding for the past hour.:monkey3

Just when I thought Khev had redeemed the whole film for me.
 
Hey! This is Rian Johnson. I hacked this nerds account.
First off I want to say **** you guys and secondly I’d like to say yes. I did ruin this movie. So what? I got a paycheck. I’m living it up. You guys will argue until the next one and see that. So screw you guys. Star Wars sucked and Luke is a whiny brat. I killed him off and you can’t do anything about it. Either you except it or you make a fan movie retconning this flick. No gonna matter. I’m still making money. As for Kathleen, we pretty much feel the same way. Don’t know why I got the job. I always said Star Wars sucked.

We’ll see you nerds for episode 9. O and you can tell anyone I said this. Who’s gonna believe you .

I don’t care if it underperformed. The look of despair in your faces is more than money can buy

-Rian
Kill yourself Rian, your movie is **** and all your supporters are tasteless dumdums, good for you for making a buck though, don't blame you.

You don't get the honor of ruining SW tho, that goes to the queen mole rat.

FFS even Kylo's teets memes died out in a week, zero cultural impact.
 
I legitimately read that Rian Johnson could not get into film school so his parents had to make a big donation for him to be accepted.

This is not a joke. Hes such a hack he had to use his familys money to get it
 
Yet the fact that TLJ performed pretty much identically to AOTC (a fact which would stun every reporter who has breathily given the "entered the top 10 list!" TLJ update) speaks volumes about just how much easier it is to land in that top 10 today.

As I mentioned before, if you look at the all-time list unadjusted, pretty much EVERYTHING in that top 30 was released in the last decade or so. And why would that be?

When the ticket price has almost doubled since the late 90's/early 2000's, tentpole films come out on 25-33% more screens than back then, IMAX/3D/Premium doubles a portion of the per-admission income, and international markets have been delivering more than double what they were 15 years ago (due to development of markets and other factors,) it creates this sense that today's movies are WAY more popular than previous years' films.

What's also interesting about the unadjusted worldwide list (the one that TLJ will land at #8 or #9 on) is that almost 20 out of the top 30 of those movies all landed within a narrow band of $1B and $1.15B. That's because it's like a machine - a studio product/marketing/"sequel universe" machine that rarely fails to deliver 1/2 to 3/4's of a billion even for much-maligned sequels that nobody was really wanting.

The "sequels" part is critical in looking at TLJ. Significantly, 25 out of that top 30 unadjusted worldwide were sequels - whereas if you look at the adjusted list, which is the true test of audience response (the "number of bums on seats" count) and omits all the "cheats" studios today have, only FOUR movies of the top 30 were released in the last decade or so, and only FIVE were sequels.


So despite how people try to spin this, the "TLJ landed in the top 10!" is really more a sign of the economics of the studio sequel business today (and also of the half dozen huge "cheats" studios use today to inflate grosses versus films 15 years ago) than some kind of indicator of once-in-decades financial success, or audiences absolutely loving it as people seem to think with TLJ.

The fact that TLJ landed a little above the $1B to $1.15B that the vast majority of the list made is that it's a sequel follow-up to a $2B grossing mega-hit that was fairly well received by fans, and part of THE #1 sequel franchise brand.

TLJ's total is very much a "business as usual" level, where TLJ joins dozens of other sequels on that worldwide list that all earned $1B to $1.3B in the last decade or so... and yes, if you adjust for inflation (and the "cheats",) AOTC is also there, right alongside TLJ.

Really good post. The current top 10 list is a joke. People are trying to represent it as such a success (ever notice how many people defend this movie, including the director?), but the actual BO drop from TPM to Aotc and from TFA to TLJ are both at 37-38%, exactly the same. The only difference is it’s lost even more goodwill than aotc did, which... who would have thought that could happen?

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If you just look at the body, you can barely even tell it’s a woman. She almost looks like a slim Asian man, or a male cyclist. The only reason it looks feminine at all is the tights, which (most) men wouldn’t wear. No offence to Ridley, she is pretty, but this isn’t the image I’d call hot. But your description is good too :lol
 
the tights, which (most) men wouldn’t wear.

If only that were true. I live across from the beach in Vancouver, Canada. You'd be surprised how many tight-wearing joggers and cyclists prance around this neighborhood. I jog and work out... never worn tights. Worse, if you jog too far up Spanish Banks in spring/summer, you'll see some Hipster idiot wearing a wind breaker or sweater, and NOTHING from the waste down! They sometimes stray too far from the nude beach, and you get an eye-full of hipster-sausage. It's hilarious.
 
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