Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

I know you're saying that tongue and cheek, but there was no incest. They didn't have sex, the kiss was to make Han jealous and neither one of them knew they were siblings or it wouldn't have happened. Heck, in the script I don't think Lucas had even planned them to be siblings yet.

Yeah, while I'm not bothered by a gay relationship I do think sexualizing any of the characters without it being relevant to the story is off the mark for Star Wars. If anything, nailing down a sexuality eliminates the inclusivity Abrams was talking about. Once a character is labeled, you are alienating someone from identifying with them (assuming they are sensitive to a fictional characters sexuality). It would feel meta even if done with the best intentions.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

If only Peter Mayhew would DIE during production . . . the BOX OFFICE will be YUUUGE!

Indeed.

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

Mark Hamill claims Luke could be Gay on how you perceive him.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

Mark Hamill claims Luke could be Gay on how you perceive him.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

Hamill's comments do come across as a pretty sad attempt to make headlines and be relevant, which is too bad.

No one needs fictional heroes that are "all things to all people." What about minority kids who are teased because of their race? Is Luke black or Latino or whatever now too? Christians are still persecuted throughout the world. Is a Luke a Jedi AND a born again Christian? I feel bad that my hair fell out, so I'm going to email Daisy Ridley and ask her if Rey is a bald man because that's what I need her to be. You've got to be kidding me.

After we saw TFA for the first time I asked my son who his favorite hero was (since I already knew his favorite character overall was Kylo Ren.) He said Finn. I asked why and he said "because he got to be a Stormtrooper and use a lightsaber." But Finn isn't the same race as my son. Huh, imagine that. Being inspired by people that aren't some formless, colorless, androgynous blob and that are, gasp, different from you.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

My junk is not as big as I would like, I better get started on my letter to Chewie.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

I'm going to tell Mark Hamill that I've been bullied for saying that Luke Skywalker's sexual orientation is not up for interpretation. Can't wait to hear his response.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

I'm going to tell Mark Hamill that I've been bullied for saying that Luke Skywalker's sexual orientation is not up for interpretation. Can't wait to hear his response.

He'll tell you that Disney wants Luke Skywalker to marry Bobby Drake in Marvel comics.

 

[Star Puffs]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

Yeah, while I'm not bothered by a gay relationship I do think sexualizing any of the characters without it being relevant to the story is off the mark for Star Wars. If anything, nailing down a sexuality eliminates the inclusivity Abrams was talking about. Once a character is labeled, you are alienating someone from identifying with them (assuming they are sensitive to a fictional characters sexuality). It would feel meta even if done with the best intentions.

If Luke being gay "alienates" someone from being able to identify with him as a heroic character then that is homophobia.

Many men seem to find it impossible to identify with women or gay men, regardless of their other character traits because of sexuality. I find that very limiting, almost sad. It's like saying I can't admire Han Solo's bravery because I'm a heterosexual woman.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

If Luke being gay "alienates" someone from being able to identify with him as a heroic character then that is homophobia.

Many men seem to find it impossible to identify with women or gay men, regardless of their other character traits because of sexuality. I find that very limiting, almost sad. It's like saying I can't admire Han Solo's bravery because I'm a heterosexual woman.

I know these discussions always draw you out of the woodwork Star Puffs but I'm only gonna say this once. You put any manufactured labels like "homophobia" on anyone here because they say what they want or don't want to see in a movie then your posts will be history. And NO ONE has said they have an issue with any character solely on account of being a different gender for heaven's sake.

And no one here said "I won't be able to identify with Luke if he's gay." No, Mark Hamill is implying that Luke can be changed to gay to make *homosexuals* identify with him. If sexual orientation has no bearing on who should identify with who then his sexuality sure as heck doesn't need to be retconned (implied or otherwise) to appease such individuals.

 

[KitFisto]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

If Luke being gay "alienates" someone from being able to identify with him as a heroic character then that is homophobia.

Many men seem to find it impossible to identify with women or gay men, regardless of their other character traits because of sexuality. I find that very limiting, almost sad. It's like saying I can't admire Han Solo's bravery because I'm a heterosexual woman.

Had a feeling you'd show up to toss the homophobia card around. That's BS. The issue is deciding 30 years later that Luke is suddenly gay JUST to be PC. It was more than clear that Luke had a crush on Leia before the brother/sister plot was established. In turning characters gay after they are already established is nothing more than pandering to the PC agenda.

If they want to make movies with gay characterso or TV shows with gay characters there is nothing stopping them, but there is ZERO need to keep messing with established characters just to be PC. When I saw Luke as a kid I didn't think straight or gay. I thought Jedi and how cool Star Wars was, but now he suddenly needs to be sexualized as a gay man? Give me a break.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

My junk is not as big as I would like, I better get started on my letter to Chewie.

Reminds me of the "put some pants on that Wookie" suggestion they gave to Lucas in the 70's. He can't be too big, otherwise we'd see it swinging around while he walked.

 

[Star Puffs]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

*homosexuals*

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

Correct that is an example of one. And I bet he never demanded that Luke's character be changed.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

I don't care what Hamill, JJ Abrams or Disney say. Luke Skywalker ain't gay to me. If a future movie tries to make that claim, I'll just be disgusted, not support it and disregard it. Whatever.

I dare them to try and push this stuff as far as they can, the backlash would be sweet.

 

[KitFisto]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

I don't care what Hamill, JJ Abrams or Disney say. Luke Skywalker ain't gay to me. If a future movie tries to make that claim, I'll just be disgusted, not support it and disregard it. Whatever.

I dare them to try and push this stuff as far as they can, the backlash would be sweet.

Indeed .

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

Yes it's really quite stupid for anyone (yes even Hamill himself) to suddenly claim that Luke's orientation is "up for interpretation." He clearly wasn't gay in ANH, not in ESB, not in the EU (Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Mara Jade, etc.) and not in any story meetings (George told him in 1983 that if he made a sequel trilogy that the plan at the time was for it to focus on Luke's kids.) So any change to that in a future film is indeed a retcon and subject to immediate dismissal.

Would I picket Lucasfilm or tell anyone here who liked the change that they're heterophobic? No. That would be equally stupid. But I would dismiss the film.

And just in case it needs to be said if anyone here (regardless of your orientation) thinks that Luke or Poe or whoever being gay is a good idea, of course you're allowed to chime in without being personally attacked or harrassed. I know we have some gay folks here and the ones that I know about I actually consider to be pretty cool and among those here I would count as "friends." So don't think my posts about Luke indicate otherwise. I just think Luke turning gay is as stupid as Boba Fett turning into some Maori dude.

I wasn't outraged when The Imitation Game portrayed Alan Turing as gay, just think how stupid it would have been if the film said he was straight. Yes I know he was a real guy but the principle still applies.

 

[AIR]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

I only have a problem with a character being gay if it has already been suggested that they are not. For example, I've seen a lot of Finn and Poe "shipping" (only time I'll ever use that expression). Wouldn't have a problem with that if Finn hadn't already shown attraction towards Rey.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (Dec 15th, 2017)

I only have a problem with a character being gay if it has already been suggested that they are not. For example, I've seen a lot of Finn and Poe "shipping" (only time I'll ever use that expression). Wouldn't have a problem with that if Finn hadn't already shown attraction towards Rey.

Exactly, the same thing happened with Legend of Korra. If they make Finn gay, they'll start digging for any "hints" that he was gay or bi in TFA, I can already see it

If an established character already has a clear sexuality and ethnicity, and you can't identify with them because of that, and you need that character to be reconnected to fit in your comfort zone, you're an entitled *********.

One of my favorite characters is Lisbeth Salander, she's a white girl with a garden variety Tumblr genderfluid sexuality, I have no problems finding her extremely interesting and her personality relatable.

I swear these SWJ douchebags who're pushing this crap down everybody's throat will be the downfall of civilization.