Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[DiFabio]

Their canonical origin starts here in the [canon] novelization for TFA:

https://i67.tinypic.com/69dt03.png

Lucasfilm chose to make that the first page of the novel, and according to author Alan Dean Foster, said first page was the reason the hard copy of the book [containing the page] was released three weeks after the film.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Thats a cute sig, what does it mean

 

[ZaCHw117]

Their canonical origin starts here in the [canon] novelization for TFA:

Lucasfilm chose to make that the first page of the novel, and according to author Alan Dean Foster, said first page was the reason the hard copy of the book [containing the page] was released three weeks after the film.

 

[crows]

Is it the ladyboy rapper boy?

 

[xipotec]

More like the JJ Abrams staring at me while I killed my father.

Dude has terrible posture.......what is he a hunchback?

This place is full of drama...who knew.....the bannings....the funerals....

And that is why I will remain safely anonymous .....


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[DiFabio]

And that is why I will remain safely anonymous .....

 

[Wor-Gar]

Their (the grays) canonical origin starts here in the [canon] novelization for TFA:

This whole gray concept only began with the TFA novelization? Then its only 2 years old, the entire concept? I thought this was a belief that went way back into the PT and maybe before.

And I agree about it being pretty vague as a "type" of being. Seems like its more about a merging of the light and dark to form an understanding of both. Something learned... not a being born.

 

[SNIKT1950]

This whole gray concept only began with the TFA novelization? Then its only 2 years old, the entire concept? I thought this was a belief that went way back into the PT and maybe before.

And I agree about it being pretty vague as a "type" of being. Seems like its more about a merging of the light and dark to form an understanding of both. Something learned... not a being born.

It started canonically two years ago but is actually over 40 years old. It was Lucas' proposed resolution to the galactic conflict he first introduces in ANH. "The next gen" Luke was to hand "Excalibur" down to in Lucas' proposed Episode VII was a "gray" generation of Force users.

Lucasfilm is still very much being influenced by Big Papa George.

 

[Captain Clown]

This whole gray concept only began with the TFA novelization? Then its only 2 years old, the entire concept? I thought this was a belief that went way back into the PT and maybe before.

And I agree about it being pretty vague as a "type" of being. Seems like its more about a merging of the light and dark to form an understanding of both. Something learned... not a being born.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Big Papa George.

Close enough.

 

[Khev]

It started canonically two years ago but is actually over 40 years old. It was Lucas' proposed resolution to the galactic conflict he first introduces in ANH. "The next gen" Luke was to hand "Excalibur" down to in Lucas' proposed Episode VII was a "gray" generation of Force users.

Lucasfilm is still very much being influenced by Big Papa George.

Substantiate that please. The rough draft of "The Star Wars" first made reference to "The Force of Others." It was then divided into two halves beginning in the second draft; Ashla, the good, and Bogan, evil. Later this evolved into "Light" and "Dark" with use of the Dark Side not necessarily an evil act but potentially a consuming one if not used with proper restraint and motives. I've never, ever, seen any reference to a third or "gray" element of the Force. Luke already towed the line between Light and Dark. You either stay Light or become consumed by the Dark. There is no Gray.

 

[Wor-Gar]

You either stay Light or become consumed by the Dark. There is no Gray.

As proven by:

Do... or do not. There is no try.

 

[Khev]

The Gray Side of the Force or "Gray Jedi" or whatever *does* kind of sound like some dumb thing that a comic or novel writer could have come up with so if there's some story in print about them somewhere it wouldn't shock me. But that sure wasn't a concept that went back to any of George's OT drafts or story meetings.

 

[crows]

As proven by:

Do... or do not. There is no try.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Sex... or no sex. There is no 'just the tip'.

 

[crows]

Sex... or no sex. There is no 'just the tip'.

There is just a tip when it comes to the back door. Sometimes the tip is all that fits

 

[SNIKT1950]

You either stay Light or become consumed by the Dark.

TLJ will show you The Force is so much bigger than that.

 

[Sachiel]

The Gray Side of the Force or "Gray Jedi" or whatever *does* kind of sound like some dumb thing that a comic or novel writer could have come up with so if there's some story in print about them somewhere it wouldn't shock me. But that sure wasn't a concept that went back to any of George's OT drafts or story meetings.

Yup. First mentioned in a comic and then a "Gray Jedi" character in a video game.
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi#Behind_the_scenes

Sounds like a load of nonsense that deserved to be purged.

 

[jye4ever]

DiFabio = Dark
Khev = Light
Wor-Gar = Gray

Snikt = Youngling

Dark will convince Gray to slaughter a Youngling.

Light will try to defend the Youngling but Dark convinces Gray to also kill Light by making believe he is his friend but as soon as Light turns his back to Gray....bam!

Damn, this Gray stuff just might add an extra layer of complexity to the plot.

 

[Rorywan]

Now, I hate the whole "gray" jedi idea as much as the next nut, especially the term itself. But I have to say there have been rumblings of this new "plot device" area between dark and light for a couple of years now, specifically since TFA.
Remember the first dialogue in the teaser? "an awakening in the dark side and the light?" and in the new Last Jedi trailer.. about the "huge" area between, the balance between the two?
And the novel does suggest that Snoke is fascinated by Kylo because he had both light and dark. And he specifically didn't feel more powerful as he moved towards the dark side after killing Solo as he expected to.

That's probably what Luke is referring to in the teaser, that the Jedi's have been wrong the whole time about the force, so have the sith, it's about the balance between the two... yawn.. it's all over the prequels too if you care to look out for it..

It's going somewhere boys, whether we want it to or not.