Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[jye4ever]

lololololol

Smart move kid

 

[crows]

I draw the line with R Kelly lol

What about OJ?

 

[ZaCHw117]

Yup, those didn't last long.

Snoop's theme song:

 

[Khev]

Some recent political posts have been removed.

But otherwise I really like the public stance Anne Hathaway has taken with regard to her personal morals/views. An interviewer once asked her if it was true that she was a vegan and she refused to answer. She said if "I were a vegan and announced it to the world then every single time I'm ever eating something in a movie people will be looking for signs that I'm not really swallowing the food and the more people know about who I am as a person the more they'll contrast that with who I'm playing and I don't want them taken out of any given movie because of it." I wish that pretty much all actors would follow suit.

Otherwise I just assume they're all liberal weirdos and then never get disappointed later on.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I guess it's khevs theme song today.

 

[Khev]

I might ignore or reject a film if the *movie's message* is to shove an agenda down my throat that I don't agree with, and I'm actually braced for this to possibly take place with TLJ or Episode IX, but I can't think of any film I've rejected/boycotted because of one actor's personal statements/opinions.

James Cameron has definitely gotten more and more annoying with his preachiness and I fully expect him to double down with Avatar 2 through 17.

 

[jye4ever]

What about OJ?

I prefer pineapple juice.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I might ignore or reject a film if the *movie's message* is to shove an agenda down my throat that I don't agree with, and I'm actually braced for this to possibly take place with TLJ or Episode IX, but I can't think of any film I've rejected/boycotted because of one actor's personal statements/opinions.

James Cameron has definitely gotten more and more annoying with his preachiness and I fully expect him to double down with Avatar 2 through 17.

But even then, it's smart to get an outside, very firm, and unforgiving opinion that you don't agree with, even if it's over the top as long as it presented well, IMO. You have to put yourself into different peoples shoes to respect what they think.

I don't think anything SW will do will be too out there, if anything just a simple nudge.

It's not like this film is going to take on abortion or tackle government spending, anything heavy like that.

 

[karamazov80]

Some recent political posts have been removed.

But otherwise I really like the public stance Anne Hathaway has taken with regard to her personal morals/views. An interviewer once asked her if it was true that she was a vegan and she refused to answer. She said if "I were a vegan and announced it to the world then every single time I'm ever eating something in a movie people will be looking for signs that I'm not really swallowing the food and the more people know about who I am as a person the more they'll contrast that with who I'm playing and I don't want them taken out of any given movie because of it." I wish that pretty much all actors would follow suit.

Yeah, the PR person who counseled her to do that earned his or her paycheck that day. . .or did they? Celebrity culture being what it is, the worst thing imaginable for some stars is that people aren't paying attention anymore. Even if that attention is largely negative.

Otherwise I just assume they're all liberal weirdos and then never get disappointed later on.

Very reasonable assumption. Like it or not, the vast majority of creative types--artists, musicians, actors, comedians--are. So if you don't like folks of that persuasion, and if it affects your opinion, best not follow folks on Twitter or read the celebrity news.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Funny thing is, her PR for a long time was Disney.

Anyone remember princes diaries?

 

[Khev]

Like it or not, the vast majority of creative types--artists, musicians, actors, comedians--are. So if you don't like folks of that persuasion, and if it affects your opinion, best not follow folks on Twitter or read the celebrity news.

Yep, I'm a conservative obviously but my favorite places to live are always in conservative suburbs of liberal cities. I need to be able to go into town to watch my limited release artsie films and I'm not going to get that in the back woods of Idaho, lol.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Yep, I'm a conservative obviously but my favorite places to live are always in conservative suburbs of liberal cities. I need to be able to go into town to watch my limited release artsie films and I'm not going to get that in the back woods of Idaho, lol.

Am in Idaho, can confirm.

 

[Khev]

Am in Idaho, can confirm.

LOL! I will say that I could have done without the gay porn trailer (complete with male frontal nudity) before "A Ghost Story" but that's Minneapolis for you what are you gonna do. At least my city is actually showing Ghost Story.

 

[karamazov80]

I might ignore or reject a film if the *movie's message* is to shove an agenda down my throat that I don't agree with, and I'm actually braced for this to possibly take place with TLJ or Episode IX, but I can't think of any film I've rejected/boycotted because of one actor's personal statements/opinions.

James Cameron has definitely gotten more and more annoying with his preachiness and I fully expect him to double down with Avatar 2 through 17.

But even then, it's smart to get an outside, very firm, and unforgiving opinion that you don't agree with, even if it's over the top as long as it presented well, IMO. You have to put yourself into different peoples shoes to respect what they think.

I don't think anything SW will do will be too out there, if anything just a simple nudge.

It's not like this film is going to take on abortion or tackle government spending, anything heavy like that.

This is tricky, and is a tough tightrope that movie producers have to walk. Because if a film is going to have any substance at all, then you have to get into human nature and social behavior. And it's really damn hard to divorce politics and social issues from that at some level. With Star Wars, you've got an imperial antagonist and rebel good guys, so right off the bat it is somewhat political. Rebels could be the U.S. or the Irish battling British oppression, Tibetans or Taiwanese battling against the Chinese, Chechans or Ukrainians battling against the Russians, or the Palestinians battling against the Israelis. Some might even say ISIS against Middle Eastern nation states and securalism. These are real world situations that can contextualize your understanding of these films. Even a statement regarding the nature of religion and morality with the Force can have political connotation.

So, it comes down to the extent to which you can put that aside for the purpose of allowing a film to tell you a story. And for some, there is a different threshold there. Some may be fine with Star Wars saying that the rebels are the good guys and the "law and order" imperials are the bad guys, but take issue with a same sex relationship between Poe and Finn. Or whatever. But I wouldn't argue that films shouldn't confront these issues. If they don't, then they risk losing any real edge or voice, and becoming even more bland and forgettable than movies often are--the dreaded "PC" outcome of not offending anyone. Like Zach says, I also respect and appreciate films that take a stance, even if its something I don't necessarily agree with in my own personal worldview. Because if you don't commit to the narrative, then you become what people associate with Marvel Studios. Good, but rarely anything beyond that. The masterpiece known as Spidey: Homecoming being the obvious exception.

 

[crows]

Yeah, the PR person who counseled her to do that earned his or her paycheck that day. . .or did they? Celebrity culture being what it is, the worst thing imaginable for some stars is that people aren't paying attention anymore. Even if that attention is largely negative.


Very reasonable assumption. Like it or not, the vast majority of creative types--artists, musicians, actors, comedians--are. So if you don't like folks of that persuasion, and if it affects your opinion, best not follow folks on Twitter or read the celebrity news.

this isnt true, Kevin Spacey keeps a very very discreet life and he's never hurt for work. Matt Damon keeps a quiet life and has never had a problem. you CAN have a private life or be discreet on your views and still be ok in Hollywood

I think it all depends on how humble the celebrity is. You could have your vegan views or your liberal views but present them in a humble non aggressive way.
There are celebrities that can share their political views but not be jerks about it. or not bully other people about it.

I think it all comes down to how much of an ass a celebrity is being. Calling all trump supporters monsters and supremacists is not really the smartest way to go about it.
you can be against him and still be polite about it. I never understood why celebrities think is good to attack random groups of people.

 

[karamazov80]

Well, it also depends on the person. Kevin Spacey and Matt Damon don't need tabloids to keep them in the public eye because they're good actors who directors and producers want on their films. If, on the other extreme, you're a Kardashian or Paris Hilton, well. . .

Even Leo Dicaprio was bolstered early in his career from the paparazzi. And hype contributes to public interest in a lot of cases.

I think it all comes down to how much of an ass a celebrity is being. Calling all trump supporters monsters and supremacists is not really the smartest way to go about it.
you can be against him and still be polite about it. I never understood why celebrities think is good to attack random groups of people.

That's not just celebrity. That's human nature. We all stereotype and like to put people in boxes. Hillary has her "basket of deplorables" and Trump has his "liberal elite establishment."

 

[ZaCHw117]

LOL! I will say that I could have done without the gay porn trailer (complete with male frontal nudity) before "A Ghost Story" but that's Minneapolis for you what are you gonna do. At least my city is actually showing Ghost Story.

I don't even know what that movie is.

We don't even get flicks like Kick-Ass or Spring Breakers here in my town. (Mormon owns the local theater, chooses what to play.) Which really ****ing sucks.

We get the big rated R movies, but nothing that's highly violent or too left. A few folks have been trying to change that, but to no avail.

There's a bigger theater chain about 45 minutes away, and if I wanna see a smaller picture, that usually the place to see it.

This is tricky, and is a tough tightrope that movie producers have to walk. Because if a film is going to have any substance at all, then you have to get into human nature and social behavior. And it's really damn hard to divorce politics and social issues from that at some level. With Star Wars, you've got an imperial antagonist and rebel good guys, so right off the bat it is somewhat political. Rebels could be the U.S. or the Irish battling British oppression, Tibetans or Taiwanese battling against the Chinese, Chechans or Ukrainians battling against the Russians, or the Palestinians battling against the Israelis. Some might even say ISIS against Middle Eastern nation states and securalism. These are real world situations that can contextualize your understanding of these films. Even a statement regarding the nature of religion and morality with the Force can have political connotation.

So, it comes down to the extent to which you can put that aside for the purpose of allowing a film to tell you a story. And for some, there is a different threshold there. Some may be fine with Star Wars saying that the rebels are the good guys and the "law and order" imperials are the bad guys, but take issue with a same sex relationship between Poe and Finn. Or whatever. But I wouldn't argue that films shouldn't confront these issues. If they don't, then they risk losing any real edge or voice, and becoming even more bland and forgettable than movies often are--the dreaded "PC" outcome of not offending anyone. Like Zach says, I also respect and appreciate films that take a stance, even if its something I don't necessarily agree with in my own personal worldview. Because if you don't commit to the narrative, then you become what people associate with Marvel Studios. Good, but rarely anything beyond that. The masterpiece known as Spidey: Homecoming being the obvious exception.

You nailed it right on the head man, what great post.

 

[pixletwin]

I don't even know what that movie is.

We don't even get flicks like Kick-Ass or Spring Breakers here in my town. (Mormon owns the local theater, chooses what to play.) Which really ****ing sucks.

We get the big rated R movies, but nothing that's highly violent or too left. A few folks have been trying to change that, but to no avail.

There's a bigger theater chain about 45 minutes away, and if I wanna see a smaller picture, that usually the place to see it.


You nailed it right on the head man, what great post.

I live in the center of mormonia and both of those were available all over. We also have some good art house cinemas. Maybe you should move south?

 

[ZaCHw117]

I live in the center of mormonia and both of those were available all over. We also have some good art house cinemas. Maybe you should move south?

Oh trust me, I would if I could.

My job ties me down 6 days a week, but I'm moving professions soon, so it should be easier for me to leave in a bit.

I know you're LDS, and I mean no harm when I say this, but they're on another level when you get closer to Utah.

 

[pixletwin]