Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[The Chaver]

Just got back. It wasn’t a bad movie just like some others are saying. Just wasn’t a good SW movie.

I thought the phantom menace was better and that’s a prequel.

The jokes were forced and out of place. Seems this the comedy of modern times. I hate it.

Character development felt lazy. Poor Snoke... Had the, what I call “reality tv” character development. Where you thought this person was going to have this outcome but then they went in a complete random other direction.

These movies are made for dumb people.

As a SW fan, I’m out. Not buying one collectible from this trilogy.


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[BoosterGold06]

Once you guys in the states see this film, I don’t even think it will be divisive. I think the Majority will feel betrayed and quite bitter. After TAF I at least couldn’t wait to see what happened next. After this, I don’t care.

I just left the theater and this is exactly how I feel. I think I’m done with Disney Star Wars.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

A wise man once said...

I really think this film is a turning point for the franchise, and I don't mean that in a bad way, but I can see some old fans saying goodbye to this story, and newer fans embracing Disney Wars.

 

[The Chaver]

It was made for millennial’s

No offense...


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[ApeManRyan]

Went to a 9PM showing. Not going to spoil the film but I'm not as disappointed as some of you are about the film I did enjoy it for what it was and liked it way more then TFA. That's all I'm going to say.

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[generalgrevious]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

well you had ESB/ROTJ throne room seen with Kylo and rey was like vader luke entering the throne room with the emperor and rey and kylo with snoke

 

[Asta]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

If only Lucas had decided to start releasing the Sequel Trilogy in 1999, when the main actors were still young enough to play a full role. It would've been the perfect entry into the next generation, with Han and Leia's children adding the youthful aspect.

As it is, the next generation is a group of people who have no relation to the past. Which is why I wrote that Rey and Finn were nobodies before TFA was released. And it was sad that Carrie's last real appearance was at a time when she could hardly speak her lines.

The Prequels could've been left until whenever, or never.

 

[hen88]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Wow - lots of hate here. I really loved it. I’ll leave you guys to stew in it. Enjoy!

 

[ArtDamage]

So I think on first viewing I enjoyed TFA a lot more than this. Old Han felt like I was watching Han Solo just older. Old Luke felt like I was watching a blooper reel of Mark Hamill making fun of his character. So many un-star warsy moments in this. I didn't hate it, but even TFA left me to wonder what's next? This really didn't do that.

 

[Prime Clone]

Everything you just said is wrong.

The sooner that gets made into a meme the better!

 

[Sassafras]

I watched it another time before deciding to post here. I must admit that this is not the SW movie I was expecting. I went in without expectation and I was surprised by every decision the movie made.

It is a big break from the mythology and basically taking sw into uncharted territory.

The verdict is that I loved it. Maybe not as much as empire but I love it more than any of the PT, ROTJ and even ANH.

This is probably the first realistic SW movie (ala Battlestar Galactica) where your heroes are flawed, make mistakes, live is not always rosy, plans don't always go your way, lots of people die during a war, and your leaders will not always be able to make the popular decision in order to survive.

I don't count RO as a realistic SW movie because while I enjoyed it, for their plan to succeed, they are more like the luckiest group out people out there.

This is surely a divisive SW movie for the fandom and judging by the posts on my FB wall from my other fellow SW fans, a surprisingly large amount is having a meltdown now. These are fans who love the OT so much that they just could not fathom the possibility of a main SW movie that is not about the Skywalkers. TLJ is surely not a movie for those with their own head canon on how SW should be.

I am glad that Luke Skywalker got a great character arc and a great send off. Some argued that he was killed unceremoniously but I don't see it that way. He went the way of Yoda and Obi Wan and has become one with the Force, his last act an ultimate sacrifice so that the Resistance will have a fighting chance.

Basically his character arc mirrors that of Yoda and Obi Wan where they are men haunted by their failures and ultimately finding hope again in the new generation.

Kylo Ren is a great villain, and he is what Anakin should have been. In fact he succeeded where Vader failed thus elevating his character to probably the first true Sith we have ever seen in the franchise where he is now only driven by pure rage instead of the cliche galactic domination.

Rey parentage reveal turns out to be nothing and that is a good thing. All this theory about her bloodline while fun ultimately is not necessary. While the Skywalkers are strong in the force it doesn't make it exclusive to them and it is important to establish that for the future of the franchise.

Time will tell that TLJ is the SW movie that really propels the franchise into bold new direction.

Even ESB wasn't universally loved back then due to its break from the usual sequel formula. The appreciation of ESB came later.

Agree with a lot of your post. Don't know if I would say I loved it as I had a few nitpicks and also hadn't had enough sleep. Also I'm not a mega SW fan so suspect I'm more easy-going about the mythology and portrayals. A few things - don't know if this needs spoiler tags....

Spoiler

1. The movie is rich - unexpected twists and portrayals. Layers and layers. Unlike every other Star Wars movie, I'm not sure I'd bring a young child to this. I'm still turning scenes over in my mind.

2. Some amazing characters. Stellar performances. Mark Hamill's Luke is a standout. Not often I'm in a theater where there are gasps, cheers, applause.

3. IMO some annoying muddiness with the narrative or script. Like, we've heard more than once Rey needs a teacher. She seems to think so. Then she doesn't, I guess 'coz she's just awesome that way.

Or, ok, so she went to the island for Luke, but then it's like she came to "see" her parents only it's herself (shades of the young Luke training under Yoda and the tunnel scene with Vader's head) but how is it Rey would be at that point?

IMO that was one of my issues; the leaps in what Rey is able to do with the Force - stuff I would associate with a highly trained Jedi; not a young woman who hadn't known much a few weeks ago.

And, well there's Rose, who's great, but IMO hasn't known Finn long enough to feel that much.

How does Finn know how to pilot anything? Was it like the Matrix where stuff is beamed into your head?

So there was stuff like that where I was *a bit unhappy*.

But. I'll be seeing it again - and it's Star Wars and also something I didn't expect. Reminded me of Rogue One a bit in places. A gorgeous film.
Funny, epic, amazing, unexpected. I felt like I had seen something huge - not sure how to say it.

Oh, and the Infinity War trailer is spectacular on a big screen.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Live rant outside the theater

 

[Ropen]

This movie sucked, it was more like an SJW agenda, in one scene they were like 5 female resistance pilots, i am not sexist or racist but before you could tell the difference of structure between the old and new resistance characters...

Like someone said before, They destroyed Luke and made it hard for me to be excited for the next one.


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[ShadowX81]

Reading reviews, I am sick of people looking at stupid movie-making decisions, tonally inappropriate story elements, or underwhelming arcs and praising them as "deconstructionist".

To me, when I hear a reviewer say "deconstructionist", all I hear is "They did the exact opposite of what you wanted to see and would have found satisfying, and you should appreciate it".

Sorry, but the surprise at not getting what I was looking forward to doesn't exactly make up for the fact that I was ultimately let down.

 

[Aliaz]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

I think the difference for me was that is was more inspirered by ESB than more of a copy like with ESB.

Yeah that elevator ride/throne room was very ROTJ.

I still wish they had gone with a New Republic at full power and built from there with Leia as head of the Republic and Luke leading a new generation of Jedi and used that as a base for the new movies.

But I still think TLJ was good.

 

[ApeManRyan]

Live rant outside the theater

Jeez...

 

[Bmacattack]

I can’t believe they outdid phantom menace yoda. Looked like a rubber sock puppet. I got really excited when I saw the back of his head and then my jaw dropped. I seriously have no idea what he said to Luke because I couldn’t stop staring at how hideous it was.


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[KBA]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

I was pretty excited to see this, but man did they piss on Luke’s character. I’m all for the disenchanted, heart broken old man Luke, but having him think to kill his apprentice in his sleep? Did they even watch The Return of The Jedi? The guy who sees good in his psychopath father where everyone else wants him to kill him? That guy gets cold feet about his troubled apprentice’s power and debates murdering him while sleeping? Huh. Terrible call.

Also, the casino planet and its scenes might have been the worst thing from any Star Wars movie ever. I thought they took way too many grabs at the laugh bucket in the whole film really, and this entire thing kind of represented that aspect at its worst.

Positives: Killing Snoke was something I never saw coming and I thought embodied the best scenes of the movie. Finally a good scene with two saber fighters fighting together. Adam Driver nailed Kylo. He was everything I wanted the character to be. The acting in general was pretty good. I enjoyed most of the space scenes. These sequels are really doing a fantastic job anytime there are ships flying around. The Yoda scene could have been awful. I’m still not sure if it was or wasn’t.

Overall: Better than that abortion, Rogue One, and the prequel stuff, but still just not Star Wars for me.

 

[Kamandi]

The story structure has "A" and "B" plotlines. The A story, Rey's Arc, I enjoyed. The B story of the rebels had problems. I really didn't care for Planet Vegas and most of what went on there.

I was glad they left Leia's storyline intact. They can decide what to do for ep.9 but they wisely left her final performance intact. Carrie was quite good in this film, considerably better than TFA.

I think the reality of losing Carrie Fisher means what we think happened to Luke will somehow be undone, or he will be "real" briefly in 9 if only to fill the role Leia would have. It's difficult to imagine the next film without any of the OT's 3 main characters to finish out the new trilogy. Story-wise the smartest thing for Chewie to do is take everyone to Ahch-To while they re-group and plan.

EDIT: And Mark Hamill was fantastic. I know he's expressed some differences about Luke's story arc but his performance was the best he's ever given.

 

[Aliaz]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

I actually think that the scenes with Luke/Kylo seen from different points worked well. Luke sees his nephew growing into another Vader and has a brief moment of panic, which passed quickly and he realises his mistake, but the damage is already done. And when we see the scene from Kylos point of view Luke looks demonic and ready to kill him.

While it might not be Luke at his best, everyone makes mistakes.