Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Star Puffs]

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Wasn't it supposed to take 500 years to reach idiocracy, not 15?

I swear these people must check under their bed for Vladimir Putin each night, when it's really only RIDDICK hiding under there.

 

[Bo Shrek]

Soooooooo snoke is just some ugly crusty force user guy? What the first order said let’s get the ugliest force user guy we can find? Also how tf did they get so powerful? Once Darth Vader and palpatine died it should been over for them

Better Accountants it's that simple!!

 

[Entropy]

Come on Entropy, don't tell me a practical puppet of Carrie Fisher going all Arnold Schwarzenegger in Total Recall wouldn't have been better than the flying Super Leia

You really wanted to see that and Luke pulling star destroyers out of orbit and crushing AT ATs with the Force?
Levitating rocks, ships, people, etc against the force of gravity you can believe but not a person levitating through a zero gravity vacuum? Why aren’t you deriding Rey as Superwoman or Luke as Superman since they levitated too? Your derision should at least be even handed.

I personally find the Force run and Force jump more implossible but I’m okay with some fi in my sci.

 

[Bo Shrek]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (TBA)

Ohh...choices choices!!!

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

These films aren’t about his journey and the film alluded to it and his “status” several times making it clear his role. I’m not challenging, I’m simply regurgitating what was on the screen. Based on that I took his sacrifice as “giving himself” to the force not just disappearing.

Not sure what you mean by "these films" (TFA being a sequel to ROTJ with main characters continuing) but Joseph Campbell and thousands of years of storytelling disproves regurgitated retcon ST dialog.

Thats kinda what I got out of it too. Going again tonight to soak it in a little better, but at this point I have a feeling ep9 will have spirit luke still around, dont think we’ve seen the end of Luke in these flicks yet.

I would be absolutely SHOCKED if Luke returned as a Force Ghost in Ep9.

It would have been cool if force projection Luke could have had a lightsaber duel with force ghost Yoda though. Force ghost Ben could have refereed, but maybe he would have been too busy perving on Kylo and Rey's force-texting.

 

[Bravomite]

His next post says that he will target infinity war next

Cool thanks for posting that link.

If you scroll through the audience reviews, the negative ones often are quite detailed and do list the main criticisms raised by members here so they appear legitimate to me (though I don't know how hacking rotten tomatoes audience score works). This article (and I'm sure ones mimicking it which will be everywhere shortly) appears to provide Disney Wars with a convenient get out of jail free card for ignoring what is (for the most part) legitimate and often constructive critism and observations raised by fans about TLJ.

Hoenstly, I prefer the prequels so the fact that it's audience score is around the same as them seems about right to me (I accept that others mileage will vary). Compare that to the critics score, which would sit TLJ alongside TESB, now that seems crazy to me lol but equally I'm sure that others will judge that correct.

 

[crows]

Wasn't it supposed to take 500 years to reach idiocracy, not 15?

I swear these people must check under their bed for Vladimir Putin each night, when it's really only RIDDICK hiding under there.

 

[The Chaver]

Yet this is the first time someone had done this and just for this movie. How convenient.


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You really wanted to see that and Luke pulling star destroyers out of orbit and crushing AT ATs with the Force?
Levitating rocks, ships, people, etc against the force of gravity you can believe but not a person leviting through a zero gravity vacuum? Why aren’t you deriding Rey as Superwoman or Luke as Superman since they levitated too? Your derision should at least be even handed.

Telekinesis has been established as a Jedi ability along with enhanced agility, speed and some telepathy.

She was blown up.....and had no oxygen.

But it doesn't matter anymore because the "force" has been replaced by Disney magic, hence why no one needs training, Yoda can shoot lightning from beyond the dead, and even little kids can use Jedi abilities like they're X-Men mutants. The force is just some magical plot device to be used when it's convenient for ANY character.

 

[TonTon]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

To me Luke’s Force projection is the same as Yoda’s when Luke goes into the cave and fights Vader, but on a much larger scale?

The weird part of it all is that he was supposed to have cut himself off from the force and that seems like some heavy lifting.

 

[Reefer Shark]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Joseph Campbell and thousands of years of storytelling disproves retcon ST dialog.



I would be absolutely SHOCKED if Luke returned as a Force Ghost in Ep9.

It would have been cool if force projection Luke could have had a lightsaber duel with force ghost Yoda though. Force ghost Ben could have refereed, but he would have been too busy perving on Kylo and Rey's force-texting.

hahaha I imagine a family guy skit of just that with herbert as Ben “want a popsicle?”

 

[ironwez20]

What do you call killing this cutie and leaving the other weird girl to ruin the movie?

She is hot. To bad she was replaced by frumpy

 

[ShadowX81]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Reposting the correct version of this vid because ALL of the points Mark makes and the statements of the others are valid and important, and so that no one accidentally watches the short version.

Oh, and that "crap music" is Johnny Cash, so, so much for your career as a music critic...

Dear god, I don't think I've ever been so depressed over what happened to Star Wars.

What's so sad is that ironically enough quality and money aren't opposing virtues. A statement that doesn't just apply to inaccesable art house films but can also apply to big franchise tentpole films. Look at The Dark Knight. Or even the OT. Quality films that made tons of cash. A movie can be enjoyable and make tons of money if the studio just gave a passionate director a leash long enough to do something great.

But yet after this disaster I'm still optimistic. If I did take anything from Episode 8, it is that the darker it gets the more brightly hope shines. I'm hoping as the First Order of Disney tightens its grip on the franchise, somewhere out there is the next great director that gets inspired to somehow, someday fix it.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

To me Luke’s Force projection is the same as Yoda’s when Luke goes into the cave and fights Vader, but on a much larger scale?

The weird part of it all is that he was supposed to have cut himself off from the force and that seems like some heavy lifting.

Well, I think the principle they used in TLJ is like you don't eat for many weeks, then gorge yourself and have a tsunami-scale bowel movement... and that huge of a bowel movement all at once could kill you.

 

[Entropy]

She was blown up.....and had no oxygen.

No, watch again. This is what I meant about people not understanding what they saw.
The bridge wall was blown up and she was sucked into space. People can remain conscious for 15 seconds without oxygen and up to 2 minutes remain alive in space without a space suit. And who knows how much longer a Force user could last than a non Force user. And it’s not like she was hunky dory after, she had to be revived with whatever advanced medical tech they possess.

 

[nexus]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

While I can understand some of the venom being spewed at this movie, I think it shows just how difficult it is to make a Star Wars movie that will please fans, critics, and the worldwide audience, not to mention get approved by executives, be produced on time and within budget, deliver a compelling and memorable story, and most of all earn more than $1.5 billion at the boxoffice. Sure it's easy for us to armchair speculate on how we would make a "Great Star Wars" movie, but would that vision be able to meet the above criteria? For example, after being very skeptical going in, I loved Blade Runner 2049. It got made, scored well with critics, was mostly enjoyed by BR fans, but it was a box office bomb. The stakes and expectations are 10X higher for a Star Wars movie.
That said, I'd probably give TLJ a 7/10. There were a lot of decisions I didn't agree with, and overall I felt the story went off the track that Abrams had set up with TFA. I find it strange that while each director should be given the latitude to bring their own signature to an episode, the broad beats of the story aren't spelled out for the overall trilogy. Instead if I understand it correctly, TFA ended where it ended and Rian had carte blanche to take the story where ever he decided. To me that doesn't seem smart 3-part storytelling, and a recipe for ticking off fans. You get a set up for Snoke that leads nowhere. A mystery about Rey's parentage that is resolved by a throwaway line (especially when compared to "No... I am your father"); a budding romance between Rey and Finn that may now be Rey and Kylo, Finn and Rose, Finn and Poe or Poe and Rey; a legendary, one-time wide-eyed jedi master and hero of the rebellion, who devolved into a cranky hermit content to sit on the sidelines and let the galaxy burn, including his sister; Knights of Ren who were nowhere to be found (unless they were Snoke's bodyguards). I wonder what JJ actually thinks of where Johnson took the story. For all the flack TFA gets about playing it safe and remaking ANH, it was much more of a crowd pleaser than TLJ. Maybe TLJ should have tried more to "ape" ESB. People might have complained about it being formulaic, but at least it's a winning formula. I didn't hate TLJ, but it threw in a lot of unexpected twists, had little to no payoff, and only nominally advanced the story IMO. But I for one am glad that Abrams is coming back to the director's chair for SW IX. I'd rather see the story get back on the track it was on, and give the trilogy an uplifting, positive and satisfying resolution.

 

[jye4ever]

I don’t think Clown has seen it yet.

Yet here he is doing his thing lol

 

[fiveainone]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Reposting the correct version of this vid because ALL of the points Mark makes and the statements of the others are valid and important, and so that no one accidentally watches the short version.

Oh, and that "crap music" is Johnny Cash, so, so much for your career as a music critic...

I stand corrected. I meant crap montage. Amateur montages in general are awful. Awful.

But sure, if people can sit through that, I'm sure all the points Mark and others made are valid and important.

 

[chewblacca]

Saw it again with the wife. She gave it a 7. I had to explain a lot to her, but she seemed to enjoy it.

 

[TonTon]

Cool thanks for posting that link.

If you scroll through the audience reviews, the negative ones often are quite detailed and do list the main criticisms raised by members here so they appear legitimate to me (though I don't know how hacking rotten tomatoes audience score works). This article (and I'm sure ones mimicking it which will be everywhere shortly) appears to provide Disney Wars with a convenient get out of jail free card for ignoring what is (for the most part) legitimate and often constructive critism and observations raised by fans about TLJ.

Hoenstly, I prefer the prequels so the fact that it's audience score is around the same as them seems about right to me (I accept that others mileage will vary). Compare that to the critics score, which would sit TLJ alongside TESB, now that seems crazy to me lol but equally I'm sure that others will judge that correct.

They’ll listen to box office numbers.