Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[generalszabo]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying except the fact that you're passing your opinion as a fact. You come across as immature to suggest all other opinion is wrong. And to set aside this internal logic stuff you keep going on about, even if this could be proven it wouldn't necessarily mean the film sucks, as you very eloquently put it. As it has been stated above, opinion does not equal fact, except in your head

 

[jye4ever]

That's why I posted a link to the original post. Note any lack of "editing" to my original text.

75% of your scenario survived intact.

0.1% of Snikt’s scenario survived intact.

I’m giving him a 0.1 because Junkion has a Snoke vampire sig.

 

[Khev]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

One true fact is the audience approval is the lowest for any Star Wars movie.

Oh is that what an "A" Cinemascore means?

 

[Adolfo]

Disneyfication. ..new Webster dictionary word...

 

[Khev]

75% of your scenario survived intact.

0.1% of Snikt’s scenario survived intact.

I’m giving him a 0.1 because Junkion has a Snoke vampire sig.

The entire Resistance can fit comfortably inside the Millennium Falcon. They have no base, no capital ships, no fighter craft, no army. The First Order looms large and the rest of the galaxy is either too evil or too complacent to care. The good guys have never been up against the ropes like this, hard core!

 

[Jme_c]

Ryan's explanation for Snoke is lame, about how the Emperor was this mysterious character who's back story we didn't know.

What he is forgetting is the original trilogy came first, we didn't know what happened before and we didn't need to! The Empire was ruled by the Emperor and that was sufficient enough.

But with this sequel trilogy, we know what came before. So having Snoke as this mystery doesn't cut it, Snoke can't just be this mystery that came out of no where and took up power in the galaxy because there are all these questions, where was he during the empire, how did he rebuild it and call it the first order, why did he not try and overthrow the Emperor etc?

 

[Spazz]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying except the fact that you're passing your opinion as a fact. You come across as immature to suggest all other opinion is wrong. And to set aside this internal logic stuff you keep going on about, even if this could be proven it wouldn't necessarily mean the film sucks, as you very eloquently put it. As it has been stated above, opinion does not equal fact, except in your head

I'm not suggesting that your feelings regarding the film are wrong, in the sense that I believe you if you say you like the film. If you say, "I really like The Last Jedi. It made me happy!" I'm not going to accuse you of lying, or try to convince you that you didn't like it.

What I'm saying is that there is more than one standard to judge a film. Subjective tastes are one standard. However, in order to communicate you have to adhere to a certain logic, where things remain constant in order to be intelligible. Right? So, it's not that I don't care about your feelings in the sense that I want you to be sad. It's that I don't care about your feelings when discussing whether the movie is problematic, because your feelings are irrelevant.

If someone contradicts themselves, they're contradictory. You might like them. You might like the words coming out of their face. Those words might make you feel good, but your feelings are irrelevant in terms of whether or not the contradiction exists.

So what I'm saying is, IF there are contradictions that break the logic within The Last Jedi, that means there's a problem that transcends taste. So you can debate whether or not there are contradictions, but once you establish that there are, you have to admit that it's a problem. Right? That's not an opinion. It's fact. Wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. Being happy about incongruity doesn't lead to congruity.

 

[Asta]

It's just so sad to think how much better this movie could've been with a writer who really understood Star Wars.


What could have been...

 

[QuiGonFishing]

Ryan's explanation for Snoke is lame, about how the Emperor was this mysterious character who's back story we didn't know.

What he is forgetting is the original trilogy came first, we didn't know what happened before and we didn't need to! The Empire was ruled by the Emperor and that was sufficient enough.

But with this sequel trilogy, we know what came before. So having Snoke as this mystery doesn't cut it, Snoke can't just be this mystery that came out of no where and took up power in the galaxy because there are all these questions, where was he during the empire, how did he rebuild it and call it the first order, why did he not try and overthrow the Emperor etc?

Correct.

 

[Lee in MI]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

Like it or not, I laugh at people who can't tell the difference between fact and opinion. But I do find people who insist their opinions are fact (and start a whole useless thread to prove the point) are even more laughable.

See this? ---------->

That is me, laughing at you.

He lost me when he made it political and started bashing the feminist

It’s entertaining reading though!

 

[Adolfo]

The entire Resistance can fit comfortably inside the Millennium Falcon. They have no base, no capital ships, no fighter craft, no army. The First Order looms large and the rest of the galaxy is either too evil or too complacent to care. The good guys have never been up against the ropes like this, hard core!

God I hope the new order wins....evil deserves it after Kennedy and Johnson's goodness...LOL

 

[Asta]

RELIVE THE BEST PORG MOMENTS FROM THE LAST JEDI

POSTED BY KENDALL ASHLEY ON DECEMBER 19, 2017


Warning: Mild spoilers for The Last Jedi ahead. Read on at your own risk!

The Last Jedi‘s opening week is officially behind us.

While there are many things we might argue about in regards to The Last Jedi, there’s one thing we can all agree on: the porgs were a damn delight. Okay, maybe we don’t all agree on this… but at least most of us here at Nerdist do. While the trailer may have caused some to fear that the film would overuse the porgs to force the cuteness factor, the little fuzzballs ended up being mostly background characters to add moments of occasional comic relief. It was perfect!

So perfect, in fact, were the porgs that we’re inclined to take this time to break down some of the best porg moments from The Last Jedi. Join us!

THE PORG-SCREAM HEARD ‘ROUND THE WORLD

Via Giphy

The above was the first glimpse we got of the porg community in any The Last Jedi trailers, and it was enough to endear us to the little guys. Depending on how you view porgs, this little shriek could be seen as a scream of terror or one of determination as it rode the Millennium Falcon out to battle.

Rian Johnson has said that a group of porgs is called a murder, so with a metal name like that, maybe this war cray is an example of unbridled porg ferocity. Regardless of what it the porg is actually trying to convey, this wee caw will forever have a place in porg-lovers’ hearts.

THE PORGS MOVE IN

When Rey and Chewie park the Millennium Falcon on Ahch-To, it doesn’t take the porgs long to sneak inside and get comfy. Bunches of porgs end up moving into the Falcon, building nests where they don’t belong, and generally driving Chewie crazy. While I’m sure Han would have been just as annoyed as Chewie was about a porg nest in his beloved ship, we couldn’t help but love it.

PORGS IN SPACE!

Via Giphy

While most of the porgs ultimately moved out of the Millennium Falcon, one brave little guy stuck around for the long haul. And despite his valiant scream that won all of our hearts, he didn’t necessarily keep his seas legs (or space legs) once the ship blasted off into battle. Much like BB-8 struggled to stay upright in the Falcon in The Force Awakens, this little porg clearly forgot to fasten his seat belt as Chewie zipped through the caverns of Crait.

PORGS FOR DINNER

While waiting for Rey and Luke on Ahch-To, Chewie got a bit peckish, and managed to make himself up a meal of one unfortunate roasted porg. Of course, as the film shows, Luke’s island is full of porgs, so our favorite Wookiee wasn’t able to eat his meal in peace. Instead, he found himself surrounded by a small crowd of porgs, looking in horror at the monster about to consume their fallen brethren. Though Chewie ended up scaring all of the porgs off, he ultimately felt too guilty to eat one of those big-eyed goofballs. Good choice, Chewie.

CHEWIE AND PORGS: FRIENDS…BESTIES, ACTUALLY

Via Giphy

Okay, so maybe Chewie would beg to differ, but one of the best things about porgs in the film was watching them interact with the Wookiee, who was transformed from a giant, growling predator to begrudging co-pilot and friend of the porgs. Watching Chewbacca act like a big grump around those adorable critters was nothing short of magical. Even though he wasn’t exactly enamored with the little guys, it was clear that he ended up on Team Porg. Here’s hoping we get a buddy-cop spin-off focusing on the exploits of Chewie and his new Porg Pal.


https://nerdist.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-best-porg-moments/

 

[Spazz]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

I never said it looks pretty.

“I need to provide evidence? No I don’t!”

The rest....

Your problem is that you don't understand the difference between logic and reason. There's a difference between the abstract model in your head used to understand things (logic) and the sensory perceptions you accumulate to build your abstract model (reason). When your logic breaks down, it's like an abstract puzzle piece that doesn't fit.

If I argue, "All X's are Y's. Z's are X's. No Z's are Y's." I've made a false statement. No evidence necessary. We don't even have to stipulate what each constant means, so long as they're constant.

If I argue, "argument fallacies aren't fallacies because I like them", I'm making a false statement, because there's no logical relevance between your feelings and coherence.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

Spock says Disney Star Wars is illogical. ..

 

[klwn]

Ryan's explanation for Snoke is lame, about how the Emperor was this mysterious character who's back story we didn't know.

What he is forgetting is the original trilogy came first, we didn't know what happened before and we didn't need to! The Empire was ruled by the Emperor and that was sufficient enough.

But with this sequel trilogy, we know what came before. So having Snoke as this mystery doesn't cut it, Snoke can't just be this mystery that came out of no where and took up power in the galaxy because there are all these questions, where was he during the empire, how did he rebuild it and call it the first order, why did he not try and overthrow the Emperor etc?

25% of the movie should have been dedicated to Snoke and Kylo Ren, the backstory, their dynamic, the training, etc...
But we got Canto Bight instead.

This movie went way too fast, and in the wrong direction.

 

[Adolfo]

All responsible should be frozen in carbonate...and during the freezing process unplugged

 

[Adolfo]

Chewie is transgender now as far as in concerned...I miss the days where he would rip your arms from their sockets for losing a chess match...he can't even eat chicken now anymore

 

[Asta]

 

[aa909]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

Thanks. Yeah, I imagine there won't be much in the way of counter-arguments from people who defend The Last Jedi, because frankly, it's indefensible. How can you build a logical/rational argument that defends broken logic and reason? Instead, the people who enjoyed the film, most of them left wing, will emote at me with memes and platitudes. They'll try to get this thread pulled by the Mod, like a feminist pulling a fire alarm at a lecture they disagree with.

I actually view attempts to shut down debate as an achievement, because it means you've dominated those people intellectually. Evilface and "Snake Plissken" can't think, so they emote. It means I win. If they had an intelligible thought, they'd be proving me wrong. They know The Last Jedi sucks. They just hate being wrong.

love it! fully agree with your comments, but be ready to be called a racist or a sexist for not loving the forced diversity and strong female roles, or didn't you realize that's the real reason you didn't like this movie

 

[Uncle Bingo]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

I love this thread.