Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[aa909]

Oh, please. Both side are pointing it out. It's right there on the screen.

Good guys are diverse. White, Asian, Black, Hispanic, multiple alien species. Female leaders, pilots, etc. There's a shot with 4 people at a computer terminal and they are ALL female. White guys are mostly in the background or blown up.

Bad guys are mostly white males. Kylo, Hux, Snoke, the officers. ALL of the Canto Bight police force was white human males.

The writer of Rogue One said the Empire is a white supremacist organization. The First Order is obviously being portrayed similarly.

you don't even have to "read" into it. right from the mouses mouth bro



granted this was in the context of RO (which was 1000X better than TLJ), but its KK and Disney's vision for this franchise.

 

[Prime Clone]

Could some one help.me out here is their not supposed to be romance developing between ray and fin or am I mistaken and if so why not developed further in this.movie

Sorry, Finn is with Rose now. One of the lessons of the ST is that if you're raised as a Stormtrooper, you'll fall for any girl (or boy) who comes along.

 

[crows]

that first gif just looks so wrong, looping like that

He got KYLOED

 

[Adolfo]

Sorry, Finn is with Rose now. One of the lessons of the ST is that if you're raised as a Stormtrooper, you'll fall for any girl (or boy) who comes along.

LOL...damn that's kinda true I guess thinking about that now

 

[moose]

Sorry, Finn is with Rose now. One of the lessons of the ST is that if you're raised as a Stormtrooper, you'll fall for any girl (or boy) who comes along.

Nah man ray need to fight for her man he was the one getting seduced by the dark side haha

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[aa909]

Perspective:

ANH Domestic Gross: $460,000,000

ESB Domestic Gross: $290,000,000

Will SW ever recover?

please tell me you didn't just quote box office numbers from 1977 and 1980. I haven't checked your figures but if you did quote numbers from 1977 you need to adjust them for 40 years of compounded inflation, the exponentially larger number of theaters today PLUS Global markets. I don't have the time to run this now but I would bet taking all that into account would put ANH well over $2 Billion in 2017 dollars.

 

[Lakhota]

Why Snikt get banned?? What did I miss


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[Darth Snoopy]

1. You didn't miss anything.
2. He violated the board's CoC.
3. It's a temp ban.
4. 'Nuff said.

 

[JAWS]

Excellent analysis of the character and story arc issues in TLJ.

Interesting Variety article:

"Four Reasons Why ‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ Isn’t One for the Ages"

https://variety.com/2017/film/colum...sons-why-its-not-one-for-the-ages-1202643241/


It's a sad thing reading so many new articles about the audience score thing. There is without any doubt a creeping feeling of ageism, sexism and racism - judgement of fans. There is NO interest on the part of media outlets to look at anything other than that. From Newsweek:

"Make no mistake: Star Wars fandom still has a certain core demographic. At the Times Square opening-night screening, there were plenty of what one might consider stereotypical original film fans: pony-tailed white men in their 40s wearing Darth Vader shirts"

"...as more and more female characters enter the Star Wars universe, it’s not surprising that more and more women will show up and buy tickets—taking the place of the older, male fans who are so vocal about losing interest in the series. And it’s about time, say the die-hard women who have been there all along."

wtf?

What's funny is that the wider media is trying to frame the backlash as "another Ghostbusters reboot thing" but it's these articles - that read like blogger diatribes, but are in major national publications - that have turned age, gender and race into the core issue. NOTHING to do with the film itself, right?

What powers Star wars to its box office heights is fan obsession (the very thing mocked by everyone in the media) - will that 9% bump in female audience who showed up opening weekend... still be there for the four and fifth weekend? Or is that for "pony-tailed white men in their 40s" to take care of?

Yeah that was the point of my original post way back when.. I wanted to point out that liberal fans were not happy with the film either.. But articles like the one above want to make it a "Grumpy white guy" thing....

I have said all along.. I don;t care who you cast just give them a well written character and a good movie to be in and I will be happy.. Some want to turn it into something stupid like what was done with the Female Ghostbusters film..

For the record ... This film is much better

 

[Adolfo]

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This still kills me LOL..at Toys R Us now...gonna ask the guy in the action figure section if they got this one in yet...can't wait to show him my phone..LOL

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah that was the point of my original post way back when.. I wanted to point out that liberal fans were not happy with the film either.. But articles like the one above want to make it a "Grumpy white guy" thing....

I have said all along.. I don;t care who you cast just give them a well written character and a good movie to be in and I will be happy.. Newsweek wants to turn it into something stupid like what was done with the Female Ghostbusters film..

For the record ... This film is much better

Well the AltRight does have a very strong platform now so I don’t see it being too much off a stretch for them to go after the movie once Kennedy decided to take her agenda much further then even TFA.

Of course there are people on both sides of the political side who hated the movie just for the movie itself but Kennedy imbedded her agenda into the fabric of the movie so much that they are now inseparable it’s literally impossible to not discuss the agenda while discussing the movie it is part of the plot.

Politics is in SW now so nothing really surprising to have these reactions to it.

I’ve read your review so I know you have valid reasons for not liking it but I also believe there are other forces at play here.

 

[ironwez20]

The best of SNIKT: Volume 1

Ah yes I remember these. And I'm not happy about Snikt being banned. They guy adds hilarity and idiocy into all his post. It's funny to see him flail over his words. Like some angry child. Can't wait for his Hard R spiderverse idea to flop so he can tell us how black americans are responsible for it's demise.

 

[aa909]

Well the AltRight does have a very strong platform now so I don’t see it being too much off a stretch for them to go after the movie once Kennedy decided to take her agenda much further then even TFA.

Of course there are people on both sides of the political side who hated the movie just for the movie itself but Kennedy imbedded her agenda into the fabric of the movie so much that they are now inseparable it’s literally impossible to not discuss the agenda while discussing the movie it is part of the plot.

Politics is in SW now so nothing really surprising to have these reactions to it.

very solid points. I don't want politics in my star wars period. But even Rogue One was heavy on it in some respects, but it was such a good movie you could over look a lot of it. KK ratcheted up the politics exponentially on top of what was a terrible movie (IMO of course)

 

[Adolfo]

Well the AltRight does have a very strong platform now so I don’t see it being too much off a stretch for them to go after the movie once Kennedy decided to take her agenda much further then even TFA.

Of course there are people on both sides of the political side who hated the movie just for the movie itself but Kennedy imbedded her agenda into the fabric of the movie so much that they are now inseparable it’s literally impossible to not discuss the agenda while discussing the movie it is part of the plot.

Politics is in SW now so nothing really surprising to have these reactions to it.

I’ve read your review so I know you have valid reasons for not liking it but I also believe there are other forces at play here.

Good post...I just smashed the cocoon that looked like you ...your safe ,tonight you can go to sleep

 

[jye4ever]

very solid points. I don't want politics in my star wars period. But even Rogue One was heavy on it in some respects, but it was such a good movie you could over look a lot of it. KK ratcheted up the politics exponentially on top of what was a terrible movie (IMO of course)

Exactly.

All i’m saying is since Kennedy increased her agenda 10 fold it is only natural to have a similar reaction from the opposition especially when that opposition is in control right now.

Force met with Force that simple.

 

[jye4ever]

Good post...I just smashed the cocoon that looked like you ...your safe ,tonight you can go to sleep

lol I love that old B&W scifi movie

 

[Lakhota]

I know there’s another thread for this topic but seeing that this one is so active, how could you fix Episode nine after this movie? Do we really even care where were going now?


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[Adolfo]

I know there’s another thread for this topic but seeing that this one is so active, how could you fix Episode nine after this movie? Do we really even care where were going now?


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Only death can save this

 

[Adolfo]

Exactly.

All i’m saying is since Kennedy increased her agenda 10 fold it is only natural to have a similar reaction from the opposition especially when that opposition is in control right now.

Force met with Force that simple.

Antifaforce met up with The Force that simple

 

[xipotec]

Exactly.

All i’m saying is since Kennedy increased her agenda 10 fold it is only natural to have a similar reaction from the opposition especially when that opposition is in control right now.

Force met with Force that simple.

Which agenda?

I mean I felt a very rich versus poor theme. But that was established in the first 10 seconds of ANH, with a gigantic military ship chasing a small vessel.....perhaps a bit undone by RO...

But Luke a poor dirt farmer....heads off to fight the big powerful empire and succeeds it blowing it to smithereens...

The female power agenda is present also....I can see that angle being pushed hard in this one. But I never had much of an issue with it.




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