Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

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Avatar came out in 2009, mid December, and it made most of the money the following year, but if you look at the highest grossing film of 2009, it says Avatar.

They count a film's full take and apply it to the year it was released. In some cases, like Titanic and/or Avatar it may be the biggest movie for the release year and the following year but generally its full take is considered for the year it was released.
 
The forward does explain why Tarkin is so powerful in the film, which is an odd dynamic. Because the regional governors had been allowed to assume too much power. Vader is sidelined as an outsider belonging to a dying religion, because the Emperor himself is sidelined at this time.

That was an aspect of the original film -- the Jedi and the Sith are viewed as ancient religions whose fire has gone out of the universe.

The popularity of the Force made Lucas bring it back into fruition.
 
That was an aspect of the original film -- the Jedi and the Sith are viewed as ancient religions whose fire has gone out of the universe.

The popularity of the Force made Lucas bring it back into fruition.

excellent observation... and now RJ and KK have entrusted it's future to broom boy LOL!!
 
That was an aspect of the original film -- the Jedi and the Sith are viewed as ancient religions whose fire has gone out of the universe.

The popularity of the Force made Lucas bring it back into fruition.

Exactly. Along with changing Darth from a first name to a Sith title. Just like Indiana Jones George was making it up as he went along.

Or else he wouldn't have had Foster write a low budget sequel, which Lucas discarded when Star Wars turned out to be more popular than he could ever have imagined.
 
They count a film's full take and apply it to the year it was released. In some cases, like Titanic and/or Avatar it may be the biggest movie for the release year and the following year but generally its full take is considered for the year it was released.

Yes, I know. That's what I said. :lol

So what difference does it make if SW passes B&B this year or in 2018?
 
I feel like a real twit, I am currently watching TPM ( only saw it 3 times back in 99) and it’s actually pretty awesome. Jar Jar wasn’t as bad as I remembered and this really feels like Star Wars. This feels like Godfather 2 next to TFA and TLJ. They really should get Lucas on board with the new trilogy, I bet a lot of fans would jump on board

I agree. I actual watch TPM every few years. Ewan was drop-dead sexy and the Duel of Fates is stunning. Other than Natalie Portman, the adult actors delivered quality performances, with Liam Nesson and Pernilla August doing particularly fine work. Anakin's story is compelling, although it could have been made a bit darker. Jar Jar is pretty bad though; he taints a lot of otherwise solid scenes with his buffoonish behavior.

It's AOTC that is unwatchably bad. ROTS is OK, but tainted by the over-the-top vibe, the inept handling of Padmé's death, and, of course, "NOOOOOOOOOOO!"
 
I agree. I actual watch TPM every few years. Ewan was drop-dead sexy and the Duel of Fates is stunning. Other than Natalie Portman, the adult actors delivered quality performances, with Liam Nesson and Pernilla August doing particularly fine work. Anakin's story is compelling, although it could have been made a bit darker. Jar Jar is pretty bad though; he taints a lot of otherwise solid scenes with his buffoonish behavior.

It's AOTC that is unwatchably bad. ROTS is OK, but tainted by the over-the-top vibe, the inept handling of Padmé's death, and, of course, "NOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Accurate summary.
Also, in the making of TPM, you can tell Lucas simply cast the wrong kid actor for Anakin. Another one was much better, and I'm sure it would have drastically improved the movie, as people really seem to hate that portrayal of Anakin and that's mostly due to the delivery and... face I guess.

I like how TPM doesn't waste time to let you know you are watching Star Wars. A bit of dialogue, and then two lightsabers that light up in the toxic gas. Love that. Also showing a lightsaber used to cut through a door for the first time. My little mind was blown away in 1999.
 
Accurate summary.
Also, in the making of TPM, you can tell Lucas simply cast the wrong kid actor for Anakin. Another one was much better, and I'm sure it would have drastically improved the movie, as people really seem to hate that portrayal of Anakin and that's mostly due to the delivery and... face I guess.

I like how TPM doesn't waste time to let you know you are watching Star Wars. A bit of dialogue, and then two lightsabers that light up in the toxic gas. Love that. Also showing a lightsaber used to cut through a door for the first time. My little mind was blown away in 1999.

Wasn't even the actor to blame IMO. I just never wanted to see Darth Vader at that age, I think it was a huge mistake. Not to mention the lack of rhyming that Lucas was fond of - would have been better to have him be the age Luke is in ANH. We only get to that point in AOTC but there's inevitably a disconnect with the change of actor and jumping ahead by all that time. Might aswell be a different character for all we know.
 
Accurate summary.
Also, in the making of TPM, you can tell Lucas simply cast the wrong kid actor for Anakin. Another one was much better, and I'm sure it would have drastically improved the movie, as people really seem to hate that portrayal of Anakin and that's mostly due to the delivery and... face I guess..

Nah :lol

They could have cloned Daniel Day Lewis, waited for him to be the right age to play little Anakin, and with dialogue like, "Are you an angel?", he still would suck.
 
Wasn't even the actor to blame IMO. I just never wanted to see Darth Vader at that age, I think it was a huge mistake. Not to mention the lack of rhyming that Lucas was fond of - would have been better to have be the age Luke is in ANH. We only get to that point in AOTC but there's inevitably a disconnect with the change of actor and jumping ahead by all that time.

Yes, starting with AOTC directly (but making it better of course) or with a story starting just a couple years before would have been a good formula.
I guess Lucas really wanted to tell the whole story of Anakin, but that was a risky move.
 
Wasn't even the actor to blame IMO. I just never wanted to see Darth Vader at that age, I think it was a huge mistake. Not to mention the lack of rhyming that Lucas was fond of - would have been better to have him be the age Luke is in ANH. We only get to that point in AOTC but there's inevitably a disconnect with the change of actor and jumping ahead by all that time. Might aswell be a different character for all we know.

I felt that way as soon as the plot was announced I think in 1997. The fact is that star wars fans like star wars a whole lot more than lucas. We had 16 years to imagine what the prequels would be.
 
I’m very curious with what’s going to happen now going forward with the modern diversity narrative that’s found its way into SW now that TLJ might earn an entire 1 billion less than TFA.

I see only 2 paths.

1. Kennedy/Iger/Shareholders completely shut down the perceived forced diversity narrative in SW out of massive fear of the damage caused to the brand with TLJ.

2. Kennedy/Iger/Shareholders say screw the 50% box office loss and 50% negative RT fan score and they double down, triple down, quadruple down on their diversity narrative pretty much telling the fans that if you’re not into diversity in SW then new SW is not meant for you find another franchise to be angry over.

I was going to add path 3 which was keeping the same amount of diversity that was already in TLJ but for some keeping it the same as TLJ is pretty much the same as path 2.

Now I know some (cough JAWS cough) are going to quickly point out to me that diversity wasn’t their main problem with the movie but that’s irrelevant because I guarantee you that’s the primary reason Disney is going with on why it will earn 1 billion less than TFA and why that RT backlash exists. It sure is much easier to blame the 1 billion loss on others for pushing back against diversity than it is to blame themselves or their sweetheart Rian especially after they already announced his trilogy.

So which will it be 1 or 2?

I bet Disney already had a crisis intervention for Kelly Marie Tran for her not to hang herself.

Laura Dern doesn’t it need it this isn’t her first rodeo but for Kelly yikes she killed SW.
 
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No man, it's not just you. Lucasfilm created an intellectual property that was marketed to boys, about what used to be a male experience regarding coming of age. Including women in that story is fine, but when you use iconography that men grew up with to tell them how toxic they are, you're undermining emotional attachments to cultural cues. It's a form of iconoclasm meant to offend. Atheists often do this to religious people. It's a form of emotional attack, that I'm personally not fond of unless being bullied.

We grew up with these stories, and now it's being wielded to tell us how "toxic" we are, as people. That hurts, when it means something to you. When you care about Star Wars in detail, you're delving into a nuanced piece of art that involved specialists in numerous fields who broke convention: Ralph McQuarrie's art, John Williams scoring, George Lucas' writing influenced by theories from Joseph Campbell... There is an adult level of mastery that went into this "children's" film. It's legitimate art, and it's been subverted against you.

How do you process that? For me... I've decided it's time to make my own art. I dunno... I love the original trilogy, and I'm going to take what I loved from that and, in a very DIY punk rock way, create something that expresses reality, instead of the nonsense being thrown at us. I'm doing it for me. I shouldn't expect other people to "represent me". That's what the SJW's have done. It still sucks, but I shouldn't feel cut off from the culture because Disney is buying things I love. I should contribute, if it bothers me that much.

I guess what I'm saying, is learn to write, sculpt or draw. Do something that engages your mind. You'll feel better, because it's the axis between the fantasy in star wars that helps us escape, and that part of your brain helping you to be present, via problem solving. When I sculpt, I feel the same way that I do when I write.

This is a phenomenal post - bullseye for me about how I feel about what’s being said with these new movies and a great motivation to contribute and not allow myself to feel victimized.

For me it’s enjoying the OT with my son, collecting figures we love and building models to have experience of Star Wars that means something to me and him.

Thanks for this post, Spazz


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Wasn't even the actor to blame IMO. I just never wanted to see Darth Vader at that age, I think it was a huge mistake. Not to mention the lack of rhyming that Lucas was fond of - would have been better to have him be the age Luke is in ANH. We only get to that point in AOTC but there's inevitably a disconnect with the change of actor and jumping ahead by all that time. Might aswell be a different character for all we know.

spot on. I've always said PT failed when it started with baby vader. The trilogy should've been darker and started with Anakin closer to Luke's age in ANH (maybe a little younger), suffering through slavery with his mother. That would've set the tone for a character that had years of painful hardship that carried forward through the next two movies and built the foundation for his inner anger and rage. As it is, you have a 7 yr old that's amazingly well taken care of and very well adjusted for a slave, who's rescued and raised by two Jedi. You never got a good sense for any real character development, so they had to shoe horn in his mother's death in AOTC as the key motivation for his anger. But it just felt like a reach at that point.
 
I’m very curious with what’s going to happen now going forward with the modern diversity narrative that’s found its way into SW now that TLJ might earn an entire 1 billion less than TFA.

I see only 2 paths.

1. Kennedy/Iger/Shareholders completely shut down the perceived forced diversity narrative in SW out of massive fear of the damage caused to the brand with TLJ.

2. Kennedy/Iger/Shareholders say screw the 50% box office loss and 50% negative RT fan score and they double down, triple down, quadruple down on their diversity narrative pretty much telling the fans that if you’re not into diversity in SW then new SW is not meant for you find another franchise to be angry over.

I was going to add path 3 which was keeping the same amount of diversity that was already in TLJ but for some keeping it the same as TLJ is pretty much the same as path 2.

Now I know some (cough JAWS cough) are going to quickly point out to me that diversity wasn’t their main problem with the movie but that’s irrelevant because I guarantee you that’s the primary reason Disney is going with on why it will earn 1 billion less than TFA and why that RT backlash exists. It sure is much easier to blame the 1 billion loss on others for pushing back against diversity than it is to blame themselves or their sweetheart Rian especially after they already announced his trilogy.

So which will it be 1 or 2?

I bet Disney already had a crisis intervention for Kelly Marie Tran for her not to hang herself.

Laura Dern doesn’t it need it this isn’t her first rodeo but for Kelly yikes she killed SW.

LMAO!! that's good rationale. So the truth is somewhere in the middle because behind closed doors this is ultimately a business and they are actually listening to the criticism (even though they are working to deflect / suppress them for now).

IMO they may do damage control as you outlined, by messaging externally that it was alt right angry white bots that hate women, gays, children and asian girls and mobilized a massive internet campaign to bad mouth the movie because of KK's excessive in your face social justice agenda in the movie.

But behind closed doors they will regroup and realize they had a sh**y script with massive plot holes and terrible character development, and that RJ basically crapped on the previous 7 SW movies in TLJ. They'll beg JJ to find a way to save Episode 9 but they'll soon realize that TLJ was the iceberg that hit the titanic, the unsinkable ship is taking on water and they will begin to panic... and when panic sets in, irrational decisions are made...

stay tuned...
 
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