Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[tjdavis1138]

the problem is they wrote a sh***y a$$ script explaining why he's rejected the Jedi. This is the same character that went on a solo mission to the Death Star in ROTJ to turn the most evil villain in the universe because he felt the tinniest bit of good in him, and now we're to believe this same character thought about killing his nephew in his sleep because he sensed "darkness" in him. really?? and then after the confrontation with Kylo fails we're to believe Luke threw in the towel and ran away to an island to die, really RJ? really? smh

Oh geez... I forgot about the trying to kill his nephew thing. Ugh.... so stupid. This movie needs a fan edit!

 

[tjdavis1138]

I see nothing wrong in AOTC. I consider Ep2 is the most important in whole Prequel triology and play a key role for Anakin downfall later.

His intense love for Padme
The death of his mom
His political point of view toward the Republic
Jedi council are bunch of idiots

These are the messages that Mr Lucas would like to send to the fans, as Anakin is destined to become Vader.

But most of people see is just whiny bitching kid and that sand ****. Well that exactly how Anakin was portrayed as Lucas wanted, back then he was just a padawan, a cocky young Jedi who was so full of himself, bascially a 19 years old kid with teen dramas. Put yourself back into that age, were you any differ ?Anakin had a tough childhood, was a slave, left his mom very young to train with Qui-Gonn - the only person who really appreciate him - but was killed shortly later, denied and rejected by Jedi council, , trained by Obiwan who always doubted his ability and constantly being trolled during the training. The guy life was **** mess, no love at all...so give him a **** break.

Calling yourself "SW fans" but only spit on the movie without any proper understanding

Good post. I have always thought that tpm should have been the crawl for aotc and rots should have been two movies.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

the problem is they wrote a sh***y a$$ script explaining why he's rejected the Jedi. This is the same character that went on a solo mission to the Death Star in ROTJ to turn the most evil villain in the universe because he felt the tinniest bit of good in him, and now we're to believe this same character thought about killing his nephew in his sleep because he sensed "darkness" in him. really?? and then after the confrontation with Kylo fails we're to believe Luke threw in the towel and ran away to an island to die, really RJ? really? smh

The whole exile idea was JJ's fault along with Kasdan, so RJ had to find a way to make sense of it. Not only that, it was established in TFA that Luke left a map to find him

I don't think TLJ provided a good reason or excuse for Luke to seclude himself and let Han get killed by the person he knew was a threat. I mean, wouldn't it make more sense for Luke to be with Leia or searching for Han or Kylo instead of alone in some island? Kylo turns evil, kills all of Luke's students, and later Han, and Luke does nothing? Where's Yoda to motivate Luke during that time?

If people really think Luke's ending was somehow heroic or appropriate, I don't get it. Kylo was Luke's problem, despite Disney wanting to end Luke's story in order to focus on the new characters, but really all they did was start a new chapter in Luke's life, and it's up to Rey to fix it, since Luke killed himself.

 

[Star Puffs]

I assume nothing Disney is already using that as the reason why the movie received that RT fan score. Disney has their own army of vloggers fighting that fight for them with diversity being the front lines.

What you really think Disney is going to blame themselves for failing to offer a compelling narrative or will they find a scapegoat reason.

Besides 50% of the posts in the thread prove Disney is right anyways.

That's a fair point about Disney likely not having the self-critical capacity to recognize the actual problem, at least not publicly. A "diversity backlash" angle certainly presents a self-righteous excuse.

Behind the scenes, however, the glaring failure to match the success of TFA, possibly to the tune of a billion or more dollars in lost revenue, is going to raise some legitimate discussion (greed trumps virtue-signalling).

Your "50%" claim is absurd. Maybe 2-3 posters out of dozens fit your description. This is the exact problem with many professional journalist: the inability to maintain perspective over the lowest common denominator of trollish behavior or bigotry one can scrape up. The overwhelming majority of people who have voiced disapproval have done so for substantive reasons.

 

[Prime Clone]

Good post. I have always thought that tpm should have been the crawl for aotc and rots should have been two movies.

Yes, cos the *real* attack of the clones happened in ROTS!

 

[morphosis]

The whole exile idea was JJ's fault along with Kasdan, so RJ had to find a way to make sense of it. Not only that, it was established in TFA that Luke left a map to find him

I don't think TLJ provided a good reason or excuse for Luke to seclude himself and let Han get killed by the person he knew was a threat. I mean, wouldn't it make more sense for Luke to be with Leia or searching for Han or Kylo instead of alone in some island? Kylo turns evil, kills all of Luke's students, and later Han, and Luke does nothing? Where's Yoda to motivate Luke during that time?

If people really think Luke's ending was somehow heroic or appropriate, I don't get it. Kylo was Luke's problem, despite Disney wanting to end Luke's story in order to focus on the new characters, but really all they did was start a new chapter in Luke's life, and it's up to Rey to fix it, since Luke killed himself.

don't forget Yoda and Obi Wan went into seclusion and shut themselves off from the galaxy after RotS. its the Jedi thing to do. And they did it for a longer period of time.

so luke going into seclusion after he was defeated and broken made a lot more sense to me. the two jedi who trained him did the exact same thing.

 

[Asta]

Obi-Wan and Yoda, unlike Luke, hadn't given up.

The former was protecting Luke, and the latter was concealing himself so that one day he could train Luke.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Plus the empire had full power and they were hunting the remaining jedi. Obi and Yoda, at least in the OT, were the last remaining Jedi.

In TFA, the new republic was in charged along with the "resistance/rebels", which is led by Leia, so there's literally no reason for Luke to hide, since his side are the ones with the power.

 

[a-dev]

Plus the empire had full power and they were hunting the remaining jedi. Obi and Yoda, at least in the OT, were the last remaining Jedi.

In TFA, the new republic was in charged along with the "resistance/rebels", which is led by Leia, so there's literally no reason for Luke to hide, since his side are the ones with the power.

It actually didn't really feel like that though - and this was my problem with TFA from day one. I couldn't understand how the remnant of the old Empire was militarily more powerful than the Empire had been at its peak, and why the good guys were seemingly still so limited as to be called the Resistance. WTF. So what exactly was achieved in ROTJ? Was there no lasting victory there at all?

 

[a-dev]

Yes, cos the *real* attack of the clones happened in ROTS!

Yeah that's weird.

 

[crows]

 

[C-Brock]

Pretty good video, overall - He does present a significant hurdle to his final point, early in the video, in that the rise of digital media has created an excess of available critical opinions, so finding one or a select few trustworthy opinions is easier said than done nowadays. As an adoring Star Wars fan from a young age, I really wanted to like this movie; however, I found myself bothered by too many things during my viewing. After I'd gone home, the more I thought about it, I came to the realization that it was an absolute mess that undermines pretty-much everything that proceeded it in the saga. For me, this is the worst entry in the Star Wars franchise.

 

[DarkChocobi]

This movie should be considered as an act of terrorism against America and its people. KK should be charged as treason for the destruction of Star Wars -national pride.

See how the Japanese treasure Doraemon and treat it with high respect? It is almost every adult childhood, same like SW with the Americans and nobody *** with it. Star Wars not just the "tool" for KK to satisfy her ego and twisted it with her sick feminist and SJW ideas.

 

[TaliBane]

don't forget Yoda and Obi Wan went into seclusion and shut themselves off from the galaxy after RotS. its the Jedi thing to do. And they did it for a longer period of time.

so luke going into seclusion after he was defeated and broken made a lot more sense to me. the two jedi who trained him did the exact same thing.

Mentors failed in the past. Then aided by their wisdom, heroes win.

Yoda, Ben = Mentors. Luke = Hero.

Trying to turn a hero into a mentor (simply because he's now older) within the same continuing storyline is where TLJ's problems begin.

It's not about what Jedis do or don't do. It's about what you can and cannot do within the myth story context.

 

[klwn]

I think this really boils down to Ruin Johnson having a ****** imagination. That's it. The guy sucks when it comes to creating a story for Star Wars. He even said he couldn't see another way to keep the spotlight on Rey than to kill Luke.

Luke being on that island at the end of TFA was fine. It was a great setup. You can come up with several reasons that don't involve waiting for death after almost killing your nephew.
This is literally a ****ing Force island. He could have been there for research, finding answers, put together a new approach to the Force that would help him in defeating Snoke and turning Kylo back to the light. And I'm sure JJ had something like that in mind anyway.

Ruin was just dead set on creating a story that was really weird and different and nothing people would expect. Like it's been mentioned in this thread many times, he was selfish and treated this as just a movie and not a Star Wars movie part of a trilogy.

 

[jye4ever]

That's a fair point about Disney likely not having the self-critical capacity to recognize the actual problem, at least not publicly. A "diversity backlash" angle certainly presents a self-righteous excuse.

Behind the scenes, however, the glaring failure to match the success of TFA, possibly to the tune of a billion or more dollars in lost revenue, is going to raise some legitimate discussion (greed trumps virtue-signalling).

Your "50%" claim is absurd. Maybe 2-3 posters out of dozens fit your description. This is the exact problem with many professional journalist: the inability to maintain perspective over the lowest common denominator of trollish behavior or bigotry one can scrape up. The overwhelming majority of people who have voiced disapproval have done so for substantive reasons.

I didn’t mean 50% of total posts I meant 50% of the posts from those who disliked the movie cited forced diversity as one of their reasons for disliking it absolutely.

This movie should be considered as an act of terrorism against America and its people. KK should be charged as treason for the destruction of Star Wars -national pride.

See how the Japanese treasure Doraemon and treat it with high respect? It is almost every adult childhood, same like SW with the Americans and nobody *** with it. Star Wars not just the "tool" for KK to satisfy her ego and twisted it with her sick feminist and SJW ideas.

Lets see because the way I see it is that even after being off by 1 billion or even if 500 million from what TFA earned AND they still don’t 100% fully jettison Kennedy’s SJW agenda going forward then that tells me that they’re sending those that hate the notion of her infusing her agenda into SW in the strong manner that she is a clear message which is “We don’t want you as a SW fan, keep your money we don’t want it!”

Lets see.

 

[Rorywan]

Took my 71 year mother to see it, she has been through the thick and thin of SW fandom with me since I was a kid.
She turned around to me in the middle of the movie and said "it's a bit silly and boring isn't it?

 

[Rorywan]

It actually didn't really feel like that though - and this was my problem with TFA from day one. I couldn't understand how the remnant of the old Empire was militarily more powerful than the Empire had been at its peak, and why the good guys were seemingly still so limited as to be called the Resistance. WTF. So what exactly was achieved in ROTJ? Was there no lasting victory there at all?

This could all have been explained (and should have been) if anyone - looking at you Rian, had bothered their ass to flesh out Snoke and his backstory - his wealth and and his power and why the **** he even wanted another Empire?

I mean WTF? there wasn't even a reason for his power thirst. It was mentioned that he was super wealthy somewhere outside the movies and that's it, why did he even want the Jedi gone? He wasn't a Sith.

Complete utter ****-up of the SW sequel trilogy which got off to a bumpy but promising start with TFA. It could have gone somewhere really interesting in this one.
I agree with others, Rian Johnson was just in it to make a movie with his name and (lack of) imagination on it. Well KK should have stopped that, but she doesn't understand SW herself. And seriously this ****ing feminism - diversity ******** has gone far enough. It's starting to have the opposite effect on me, I'm starting to hate all the female characters in this mess. Because they are all about point scoring rather than being proper fully rounded female characters...

rant over..

 

[jye4ever]

I’ll admit that it takes some readjustment when they quickly cut to a black female with an afro in X-Wing orange costume.

You just can’t help it your mind immediately brings up deep rooted memories of fat middle aged white men piloting those ships in the OT.

It would be like taking WW2 documentary footage of a fighter plane and using cgi to replace the white male pilot with a black female that looks like Domino from Deadpool 2 into the cockpit.

Seeing that black girl in Xwing gear might be the first time something took me out of the movie quicker than a Stan Lee cameo.

But my son loved the porgs.

 

[TaliBane]

I’ll admit that it takes some readjustment when they quickly cut to a black female with an afro in X-Wing orange costume.

You just can’t help it your mind immediately brings up deep rooted memories of fat middle aged white men piloting those ships in the OT.

It would be like taking WW2 documentary footage of a fighter plane and using cgi to replace the white male pilot with a black female that looks like Domino from Deadpool 2 into the cockpit.

Seeing that black girl in Xwing gear might be the first time something took me out of the movie quicker than a Stan Lee cameo.

But my son loved the porgs.

This one took me out of it because I initially thought it was a Lena Dunham cameo...