Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[a-dev]

All of the following.

By Episode 9, the rebels will somehow have magically bolstered their ranks. Look at Holdo. She was nowhere to be seen during TFA and the beginning of TLJ and just shows up out of nowhere. Not even Poe, a long standing resistance pilot, knew who she was. After Ackbar died, she immediately popped up to take his place.

It's the same deal with the First Order. Their massive Starkiller Base was taken out with god knows how many troops and transportation. They lost that huge dreadnaught ship. Holdo hyperdrived the First Order's whole fleet and their Supreme Leader and all of his best men were killed. Phasma is gone (again). Hux doesn't seem too optimistic about the FO with their Supreme Leader gone (to the point where he was going to shoot an unconscious Kylo Ren). Kylo and Hux won't make it through 9 without killing each other.


Repeat after me a-dev.

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Just like the very creation of the First Order and Resistance bothers you, so to will their continued existence and eventual end. It's a **** show with both sides being poorly conceived and thoughtout. To make matters worse, now Kylo and Rey can easily see where the other person is located, making the entire "war" a complete farce.

Yeah, but the Death Star was the size of a small moon and was merely a space station.

They made a point in TFA of showing the audience that the Starkiller was the size of a planet, or, dozens of Death Stars. They also showed Hux giving a huge speech to what looked like their entire fleet and army with legions upon legions of men. The resistance blew them to hell and back, and mere hours later, the First Order just shrugs it off and immediately attacks them. Then in TLJ, Snoke, the guy that's been funding and orchestrating all this, dies and Holdo does more damage to the FO fleet with the hyperdrive stunt than the Rebels did to the Empire on the Battle of Endor . . . and they still have enough will power to send down dozens of AT-ATs and a Death Star canon. Even if we're to assume that, somehow, all the man power of the FO is surviving (unlike the poor Resistance who lost all theirs in one movie), how do they seemingly have this endless amount of resources?

None of it makes sense. The writers just pull out whatever they want out of their asses.


The Galactic Empire and rag tag Rebels had clear, distinct roles in the OT. The Republic and Separtists had clear, distinct roles in the PT.

The First Order and Resistance have been a mess since day one. They don't even have a clear identity, being nothing more than poor copy and pastes of the Empire and Rebel Alliance.

Yeah, but in TLJ they lost a bunch of those too!

At what point is your enemy considered defeated in this new Star Wars universe? What even constitutes as a victory? The rebels literally only have enough people to fit in the Millenium Falcon and yet they still act like they're going strong.

Both sides should be in complete shambles, but they're not.

In ROTJ it was clear, Palpatine was aboard the second Death Star. You take him and the Death Star out, you win. The look of relief on Ackbar's face when Vader's executor plunges into the Death Star said it all.

The FO and Resistance have suffered devastating losses now in two movies. Where do you go from here.

Of course they got away. That was a problem I had with TFA's ending. As soon as the Starkiller is hit and ready to explode, there's an instant evacuation with enough time for Hux to somehow find a ****ed up Kylo and even have Phasma, live to fight another day (until she gets blown up again a couple days later).

It's just like the damage Kylo receives from Rey in TFA. That's a nasty split in his face at the end of TFA, he look completely deformed. What happens in TLJ? The damage is minimal and the scars have changed position. That's my point essentially, no matter what the threat or new Super weapon is, it has no consequence to the next story. It's the same played out scenarios that we keep seeing from movie to movie.

We're at a point now where you can fire your proton torpedoes directly at a cabin window and blow General Organa and her crew into space, and she can just survive it and fly back to safety.

What is the end game for Episode 9? If I'm the First Order, what can I do at this point to defeat the Resistance? If I'm the Resistance, what can I do at this point to defeat the First Order? This game has already been played out 30 years ago with the Empire and Rebels. Killing Vader and the Empreor didn't work, some dude in a golden bathrobe randomly appeared to cause trouble again.

It's like all the Terminator movies. All of them are just a tennis match between the Resistance and Skynet that apes the events of T1 and T2. No matter how hard the opposing force is hit, they just bounce back.


This "galactic conflict" feels small and boring. As far as the timeline in the story goes, in a couple of days the First Order and Resistance have wiped each other other out. Rey beat Luke to being a Jedi by a whole film with no development and we've only known her for 2 years. Kylo didn't even finish his training with Snoke, he's dead. 2/3 movies in this trilogy and it already feels like it's exhausted and close to being over.

All of the above.

 

[Khev]

So to be clear.....is claiming a full theater on par with claiming one didn’t pay / or watch it in a theater because the films are unwatchable garbage????

I get so confused with the back n forth proving ones point.

Are people claiming that they saw this movie without paying? So I guess it's #6 all time domestic box office rank (and climbing) is deceptively low then huh.

 

[Star Puffs]

Apparently some people are simply threatened by that fact and can only defend their personal yet highly insecure preferences by mocking those who don't agree with them.

Like you for instance? Projecting judgments like "insecure preferences" and "simply threatened by" onto critics is exactly the sort of personal attack that you claim to be above.

 

[crows]

Are people claiming that they saw this movie without paying? So I guess it's #6 all time domestic box office rank (and climbing) is deceptively low then huh.

the people that saw it 10 times balance out the people that saw it online or paid for something else in the theater.

 

[medicomsucks]

This is why star wars was best when the story was small. It was luke talking to ben, talking to yoda, vader and tarkin, or vader and officers. If I were writing one of these, don't worry Disney isn't beating down my door, I would keep the story much smaller, of course there is still some action, but there are transformers movies for people that want that for 2+ hours. You don't even need a jedi related story per se, sort of like the good the bad and the ugly in a star wars setting.

 

[Khev]

Like you for instance?

No, I haven't posted laughing emojis or gifs mocking anyone who disagrees with my view of the film.

 

[Darkseed]

Are people claiming that they saw this movie without paying? So I guess it's #6 all time domestic box office rank (and climbing) is deceptively low then huh.

It’s paid just not by members who find it garbage others however; claim to watch it by other means soooooo they could be making the nbrs deceptive...

I’m try to keep up...rules change by folks stance on a movie back n forth....ugh

 

[Niltusk]

No, I haven't posted laughing emojis or gifs mocking anyone who disagrees with my view of the film.

Its not too late, Khev. Theres a whole bunch of gifs out there waiting to be used.

 

[crows]

This is why star wars was best when the story was small. It was luke talking to ben, talking to yoda, vader and tarkin, or vader and officers. Of I were writing one of these, don't worry Disney isn't beating down my door, I would keep the story much smaller, of course there is still some action, but there are transformers movies for people that want that for 2+ hours. You don't even need a jedi related story per se, sort of like the good the bad and the ugly in a star wars setting.

the prequels were convoluted as well and had all that trade federation nonsense, but at least they made sense in the star wars universe. at least it still felt like a star wars movie.
even all three of the new Star Trek movies feel like star trek movies, even if the movies sucked or even if the plot wasnt as great at least you knew you were in the star trek universe (or with the prequels you were in the star wars universe)

as idiotic as some of the stuff was like Jar Jar, it At least felt 100% star wars. the Pod race was silly but you could buy that this was going on in that universe.



this movie, visually some stuff was really good in theaters but sometimes it didn't feel like star wars. the casino stuff doesnt fit anywhere of this universe. it makes no sense. Holdo doesnt fit as a good character of star wars. the crystal animals felt like from Narnia or something. a lot of this movie feels like it belongs somewhere else. If you went back in the past and showed certain scenes of this movie to someone, they probably couldnt tell it was star wars. they would think it was a narnia sequel or a Cronicles of Riddick sequel or something

the prequels can be as idiotic as they can get storywise, but you KNOW you are watching a star wars movie.

 

[jye4ever]

New Years Resolution

Going to watch TLJ for the 4th time just to give:

DiFabio more hnnnng
Wor-Gar’s face an Ark makeover
JAWS teeth some cavities

And get myself a shining from Khev and rushmore

 

[Khev]

Its not too late, Khev. Theres a whole bunch of gifs out there waiting to be used.

Actually I often enjoy gifs being used to comedic effect in heated debates as long as both sides are having fun with it. I took your responses to rushmore as more "dickish" than simply messing with him in good fun. If you were just giving him a hard time without trying to trash him then I redact my "insecure" remark.

 

[aa909]

Hindsight is always 20/20, and armchair quarterbacking is easy as well, but honestly, your few lines that make me think, "damn that would have been cool". I really think the team that thought TLJ through just didn't have a very good feel for what a lot of people expected from the build-up of part 7. I would much rather have dived into more on the Knights , than 90% of what was actually shown.

I actually didn't go into TLJ with any theories, just expected to see the natural exploration of the story setup at the ending of TFA. but after sitting through that garbage for 2.5 hrs, I would've loved seeing something with the KOR, they could've easily dumped the 40 min story line with Rose and Fin and replaced it with a darker more sinister KOR plot. such a waste

 

[rushmore223]

New Years Resolution

Going to watch TLJ for the 4th time just to give:

DiFabio more hnnnng
Wor-Gar’s face an Ark makeover
JAWS teeth some cavities

And get myself a shining from Khev and rushmore

Can't believe I went a whole 10 days without talking to you or Khev!

Hope you guys had a fantastic Christmas and New Years!

I've been enjoying my 4K player, man Blade Runner looks amazing in 4K HDR, it truly is approaching 3D the way elements of the image stuck out.

 

[Khev]

New Years Resolution

Going to watch TLJ for the 4th time just to give:

DiFabio more hnnnng
Wor-Gar’s face an Ark makeover
JAWS teeth some cavities

And get myself a shining from Khev and rushmore

 

[crows]

New Years Resolution

Going to watch TLJ for the 4th time just to give:

DiFabio more hnnnng
Wor-Gar’s face an Ark makeover
JAWS teeth some cavities

And get myself a shining from Khev and rushmore

even the counter girl at the theater might be like "oh god... not him again, jeez sir watch something else!"

 

[Khev]

Can't believe I went a whole 10 days without talking to you or Khev!

Hope you guys had a fantastic Christmas and New Years!

I've been enjoying my 4K player, man Blade Runner looks amazing in 4K HDR, it truly is approaching 3D the way elements of the image stuck out.

I saw a Best Buy demo of The Lego Movie in 4K and it practically looked like glasses free 3D. I can't imagine how awesome BR or (BR 2049 in a couple of weeks) must look.

 

[aa909]

Mmm mmm, I love the "my audience reacted in a way that supports my point of view" posts. Always good, believable and insightful stuff.


At my showing, an elderly couple was playing popcorn bucket trick and letting out moans that sounded like a dying Bantha.

two people committed suicide during my viewing, just sayin'

 

[Vault Boy]

What a mess. The only way the franchise won't die is if they remake TLJ or erase it from the canon. There's just no way around it. Every time you watch the OT and PT the stink of TLJ will always be there to muck it up.

 

[medicomsucks]

the prequels were convoluted as well and had all that trade federation nonsense, but at least they made sense in the star wars universe. at least it still felt like a star wars movie.
even all three of the new Star Trek movies feel like star trek movies, even if the movies sucked or even if the plot wasnt as great at least you knew you were in the star trek universe (or with the prequels you were in the star wars universe)

as idiotic as some of the stuff was like Jar Jar, it At least felt 100% star wars. the Pod race was silly but you could buy that this was going on in that universe.



this movie, visually some stuff was really good in theaters but sometimes it didn't feel like star wars. the casino stuff doesnt fit anywhere of this universe. it makes no sense. Holdo doesnt fit as a good character of star wars. the crystal animals felt like from Narnia or something. a lot of this movie feels like it belongs somewhere else. If you went back in the past and showed certain scenes of this movie to someone, they probably couldnt tell it was star wars. they would think it was a narnia sequel or a Cronicles of Riddick sequel or something

the prequels can be as idiotic as they can get storywise, but you KNOW you are watching a star wars movie.

I think the prequels got off to a bad start with the main conflict starting over the taxation of trade routes (huh?). It was about as riveting as watching C-SPAN for a couple of hours, to be spared filibusters, lucky we were.

 

[crows]

What a mess. The only way the franchise won't die is if they remake TLJ or erase it from the canon. There's just no way around it. Every time you watch the OT and PT the stink of TLJ will always be there to muck it up.

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