Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[crows]

Maybe you guys are hangin in the wrong circles....

My gamer group has several very beautiful women in it...

One married another member , and routinely goes to cons, dresses in R2 dress, quotes the films all the time.

The other is a huge LOTR fan as well as SW. She constantly yells “Stay on target!” When we drive anywhere together...

My wife, was explaining an intricate detail about the trilogy to her sister just the other night.

Again, Maybe you guys are hanging out with the wrong female crowd...

Personally , I would rather spend time with an intelligent sci fi fan then a women who spends all her time dealing with look looks and clothing...

Took many years to learn that however.

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yeah there can be hundreds sure

it still doesnt mean they are not a minority in the fandom. Even if there are tens of thousands of female fans, thats small compared to the millions of male nerds


The biggest problem is that these women that you are talking about were probably fans of the originals and became fans because of their love of the originals, they didnt need forced diversity and pandering, they didn't need SJW purple hair commanders talking down to men and making them out to be stupid. These star wars female fans didnt need a Mary sue.

So yeah, thats the problem. thats the problem with this movie, with Kathleen Kennedy... thats the problem.

it is the same exact thing with Amy Pascal and Ghostbusters. There were hundreds of FEMALE ghostbusters fans that Loved the MALE dominated ghostbusters team of the original movie. they loved all the guys and they loved their humor and they loved their friendship.

Then sony and Amy Pascal comes around and they think that what women need are ****** jokes and pandering and movies where men are ridiculous moronic failures or that are very stupid and the women are the smart ones.

Female fans of Ghostbusters didnt need this, because they were fans of a movie that did not pander to them...... the original movie.... they loved these guys and they loved their chemistry. Paul Feig comes and makes a movie where the men are either a holes or they are basically cowards or retarded. The villain of the movie is a nerdy awkward lonely man child that hates people and wants revenge on society.

why does Amy pascal and Khatleen Kennedy think this is what fans (including the female fans) is what they need? they didnt need pandering and SJW 30 years ago to love these movies, why cant they undrestand that

 

[Vault Boy]

yeah there can be hundreds sure

it still doesnt mean they are not a minority in the fandom. Even if there are tens of thousands of female fans, thats small compared to the millions of male nerds


The biggest problem is that these women that you are talking about were probably fans of the originals and became fans because of their love of the originals, they didnt need forced diversity and pandering, they didn't need SJW purple hair commanders talking down to men and making them out to be stupid. These star wars female fans didnt need a Mary sue.

So yeah, thats the problem. thats the problem with this movie, with Kathleen Kennedy... thats the problem.

it is the same exact thing with Amy Pascal and Ghostbusters. There were hundreds of FEMALE ghostbusters fans that Loved the MALE dominated ghostbusters team of the original movie. they loved all the guys and they loved their humor and they loved their friendship.

Then sony and Amy Pascal comes around and they think that what women need are ****** jokes and pandering and movies where men are ridiculous moronic failures or that are very stupid and the women are the smart ones.

Female fans of Ghostbusters didnt need this, because they were fans of a movie that did not pander to them...... the original movie.... they loved these guys and they loved their chemistry. Paul Feig comes and makes a movie where the men are either a holes or they are basically cowards or retarded. The villain of the movie is a nerdy awkward lonely man child that hates people and wants revenge on society.

why does Amy pascal and Khatleen Kennedy think this is what fans (including the female fans) is what they need? they didnt need pandering and SJW 30 years ago to love these movies, why cant they undrestand that

It's insulting to woman because it's presupposed that you have to make a man look bad to make a woman credible as a character.

 

[EVILFACE]

I just asked my woman who Kylo Ren was, and she thought it was Rey.

But knows who Darth Vader is.

 

[jye4ever]

My nephews think Kylo/Rey > Vader/Leia

With our deaths we take with us our icons and history takes care of the rest.

 

[xipotec]

I agree the female angle is done heavy handed.....and I understand the back lash.

The problem here is in the understanding that this is a market they want, they really do not have a model to capture this audience ans historically Sci Fi has been a male dominated entertainment.

They are testing the waters. I have said this a bunch of times before, women handle the cash in most housholds.....they decide what to buy the kids, where to go on vacation, and what media the household consumes.

Perhaps incorrectly Disney assumes the male hardcore fan base is there to stay no matter what they do. I actually cannot wait to see the next film, not just because I am one of the 50 percent who liked it, but I am super curious from a social standpoint to see if all these "outraged" fans will actually stay away....my guess is Disney is correct and they will go see the next film also...

So from the typical short term, please the market and shareholders point of view. They attempt to gain a new younger, more diverse fan base, while holding onto the majority of the original base.....its a calculated risk....and it will be interesting to see if they are correct.

When it comes to entertainment...Disney is mostly correct.


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[jye4ever]

Well now that Apple might be buying Netflix lets see what impact it will have on big tent pole movie budgets.

 

[Khev]

Khev Khev, rush rush did you guys hear what oto discovered!

 

[Vault Boy]

I agree the female angle is done heavy handed.....and I understand the back lash.

The problem here is in the understanding that this is a market they want, they really do not have a model to capture this audience ans historically Sci Fi has been a male dominated entertainment.

They are testing the waters. I have said this a bunch of times before, women handle the cash in most housholds.....they decide what to buy the kids, where to go on vacation, and what media the household consumes.

Perhaps incorrectly Disney assumes the male hardcore fan base is there to stay no matter what they do. I actually cannot wait to see the next film, not just because I am one of the 50 percent who liked it, but I am super curious from a social standpoint to see if all these "outraged" fans will actually stay away....my guess is Disney is correct and they will go see the next film also...

So from the typical short term, please the market and shareholders point of view. They attempt to gain a new younger, more diverse fan base, while holding onto the majority of the original base.....its a calculated risk....and it will be interesting to see if they are correct.

When it comes to entertainment...Disney is mostly correct.


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Most of them probably will watch the next installments out of curiosity but the Box Office will be weak. A lot of $$$ but also a lot less than what it could've been, like TLJ. The main problem for Disney is the merchandise department.

Disney somehow concluded that KK & co could wage war against the fanbase and they will still make huge profits from toy sales and the like. It's the hardcore fans who buy the collectibles not the casuals.

Or maybe they convinced themselves that woman would love the movie so much that retailers would move the toys to the girl's section with Barbie.

 

[aa909]

So RJ is backpedaling that the reveal of Rey's parents being nobodies in TLJ can be "changed by JJ" in Ep 9... hmmmmmmmmm more damage control? they're freaking making this trilogy up as they go along, what a joke.

 

[Futurion]

So RJ is backpedaling that the reveal of Rey's parents being nobodies in TLJ can be "changed by JJ" in Ep 9... hmmmmmmmmm more damage control? they're freaking making this trilogy up as they go along, what a joke.

That happens sometimes. Heck, even Luke and Leia weren't siblings till the Ep VI.

 

[aa909]

This is true.

Also, girls and boys are different.

And men and women are different.

I know what I just wrote is considered a hate crime these days, but I'm gonna go ahead and admit that I honestly believe that.

it's hilarious that this would be considered controversial. Yes men and women are different and it's hard wired in our DNA... anyone who's confused by this needs to go watch 3 and 4 year old boys and girls play in preschool, the majority of boys are running around chasing each other with sticks while most of the little girls are having a tea party.

and BTW our preschool is in San Francisco so you know there's NO gender bias in how they engage the kids LOL!! this behavior is programmed in them and it's total BS to teach boys and girls that they're the same (equal doesn't mean "the same")

 

[jye4ever]

If I were to quit the forum today I would be fully content knowing that I just read the best post I have ever seen in my entire 9 1/2 year run here.


Oto’s simple post is even better than anything DiFabio has ever posted in all of his detailed half page humorous franchise cultural analysis.


Sorry D but you have been bested by Oto.

Everyone here has been bested by Oto lol

 

[Futurion]

equal doesn't mean "the same"

Whole gender nonsense stuff solved right here. Everybody needs to only understand and accept just this.

 

[aa909]

That happens sometimes. Heck, even Luke and Leia weren't siblings till the Ep VI.

agree, but at least the OT had a coherent story line across the 3 movies. RJ *****ked this trilogy with a dozen disjointed plot lines and disregard for nearly all the foreshadowing from TFA, so who the F knows what's what at this point LOL!! for ******s sake Rey and Kylo may be twins and we'll learn in Ep 9 that Kylo was born as Kyle and transitioned at an early age, that's why he's so emotionally F'd up and conflicted.

 

[aa909]

Where do I buy this NOW!

 

[aa909]

A moment's silence in remembrance of Star Wars... this is thread page number 1977.

you win this thread!

 

[aa909]

Just the tip

 

[Vault Boy]

Whole gender nonsense stuff solved right here. Everybody needs to only understand and accept just this.

Padme agrees.



George Lucas as well.

 

[hoodonit00]

So RJ is backpedaling that the reveal of Rey's parents being nobodies in TLJ can be "changed by JJ" in Ep 9... hmmmmmmmmm more damage control? they're freaking making this trilogy up as they go along, what a joke.

Only thing I can say about this is Snoke told Rey that he was putting the idea in her and Kylo's head that Kylo may switch to the light side. It would't be too much of a stretch to think he planted who Rey's parents were in Kylo's mind.

 

[jye4ever]

I’m friends with a woman who can kick all of our asses with one hand tied behind her back no matter how big, muscular or fat you are.

I’ll never forget a big guy telling her she was repulsive to him she should just try being a woman instead of playing make believe warrior.

She was charged with an assault after she broke his nose and jaw lol

She loves SW when not serving mandatory community service