Isn't that just from D&D? In Vecna's flashback it shows him controlling the Mind Flayer and altering it's form to suit him.Isn't that how Dustin explained it? Vecna is the Mind Flayer's 5-star general. The Mind Flayer is still the big bad.
Isn't that just from D&D? In Vecna's flashback it shows him controlling the Mind Flayer and altering it's form to suit him.Isn't that how Dustin explained it? Vecna is the Mind Flayer's 5-star general. The Mind Flayer is still the big bad.
According to the flashbacks of when they show young Henry drawing the Mind Flayer it establishes that Vecna/Henry/001 is and has been the Mind Flayer.
I also didn’t understand what it was that Chrissy was experiencing that Vecna latched onto.
Thanks for this! I hadn’t considered that theory about the Mind Flayer influencing Henry like he did Will. Very possible.I remember that scene, but my interpretation was that the 'spider drawing' as an indicator to establish that Henry was already bad, and sort of 'infected' or under the influence of the Mind Flayer, and it wasn't Brenner or the experiments that turned him bad, as a contrasting element, since that was something Eleven was concerned about.
My assumption was that the Mind Flayer has existed since the creation of the Upside Down, which predates Henry even being born.
Seemed like her mom was abusing her. I got the sense that she was a contestant in those child beauty pageants, and she had bulimia, hence why she was in the bathroom stall, and her 'mom' attacked her, questioning what she was doing in there ... that was just my read on the situation.
The Upside Down only exists as it does now because of Vecna though. It wasn’t always an alternate Earth, from what we’ve seen, it was just it’s one plane of reality. The Demogorgons just seemed to be going about their life and the shadow (Mind Flayer) was just floating around minding it’s own business. He shaped it into a Spider.I remember that scene, but my interpretation was that the 'spider drawing' as an indicator to establish that Henry was already bad, and sort of 'infected' or under the influence of the Mind Flayer, and it wasn't Brenner or the experiments that turned him bad, as a contrasting element, since that was something Eleven was concerned about.
My assumption was that the Mind Flayer has existed since the creation of the Upside Down, which predates Henry even being born.
Seemed like her mom was abusing her. I got the sense that she was a contestant in those child beauty pageants, and she had bulimia, hence why she was in the bathroom stall, and her 'mom' attacked her, questioning what she was doing in there ... that was just my read on the situation.
From what I understand, the Mind Flayer is under Vecna's control. Everything in the Upside Down appears to be under his control. Maybe the Flayer is using him to get out but right now, it appears Vecna is indeed the big bad.
IMO, it feels like it's own thing (even though it links to what's come before). If that makes sense...Loved S1 but thought the other two seasons were anywhere from a bit weak to crap - looking forward to diving into this one, sounds like a return to form.
So if season 5 is ROTJ - can we expect ewoks to show up in Hawkins?They were going for ESB here:
1. Group gets split up.
2. Main hero goes away to train.
3. Bad guy twist (I am your father/Vecna is One)
4. Main hero prematurely ends training to save friends in danger.
5. One of the main good guys is stuck in limbo echoing Han being frozen in carbonite.
6. Good guys reunited at the end but pretty much lose at the end of the season.
Absolutely. You even forgot Henry’s speech to Eleven “join me”. Straight out of Vader’s speech on Bespin.They were going for ESB here:
1. Group gets split up.
2. Main hero goes away to train.
3. Bad guy twist (I am your father/Vecna is One)
4. Main hero prematurely ends training to save friends in danger.
5. One of the main good guys is stuck in limbo echoing Han being frozen in carbonite.
6. Good guys reunited at the end but pretty much lose at the end of the season.
Ah yes good catch! Also have to mention both Vecna and Eleven's powers are similar to the Force.Absolutely. You even forgot Henry’s speech to Eleven “join me”. Straight out of Vader’s speech on Bespin.
Also have to mention both Vecna and Eleven's powers are similar to the Force.
Indeed, one does not leave Conan's sword behind...Yep, me too, they said they could help from there but did nothing . I'm sure Russia could have handled those ones.
Also who leaves a badass sword like that behind? That'd be over the mantle piece no doubt
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