Studios withholding box office figures this weekend.

[The Ween]

Bale visited the victims today. He didn't need to, but it's nice that he did.

 

[MasterSafara]

Captain obvious

 

[DarkMagic]

You're just trolling now. Again, you missed the point of yet another post because you just want to pick a fight. I never said the purpose of the gun wasn't to kill. I said it wasn't designed with the intent of killing a theatre full of innocent people. At this point, you're just trying to pick a fight ignoring the total context of my posts to incite a flame war.

I'm sorry you think I'm trying to pick a fight or trolling. We just fundamentally disagree on your point that "Batman's just as guilty as the guns".

I've got no interest in "inciting a flame war" about it though, and, like I have shown above already, I absolutely did get the context of your posts, but I believe they are conveniently simple or conveniently convoluted and specific depending on the position you are taking at the moment...while also ignoring/glossing over the total context of my posts. Funny how each of us see the other, isn't it?

But you're right about one thing...at this point, we're probably just going in circles without making any progress. Considering that we are talking about a tragedy involving real people's lives here, I'm willing to drop it.

Until next time, Nam.

 

[thenammagazine]

 

[MasterSafara]

Hey! I didn't post that? .

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

Gun laws need to be tightened if you ask me

And this guy needs to be handed the death sentence

Nice try but that answer fails the "direct, not-convoluted" requirement.

The purpose of a Batman movie is to entertain.

The purpose of an AR-15 is to kill.

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Now if I wanted to do what you just did, I could come up with a convoluted --but still plausible-- purpose for each--

The purpose of a Batman movie is to entertain...ONLY those who have the best intentions, will pay full ticket/dvd/blu-ray/netflix price and not pirate it, and only those who are all around good people.

The purpose of an AR-15 is to kill...but ONLY when used by law enforcement against lethal criminals, or the US military and our allies against our enemies on the fields of combat.

Sure, both of these explanations assume the very best (or at least, "ridiculously specific" intentions) of their respective creators...but you can't deny that when you get that specific with it....they are at best---assumptions.

The pure and simple purpose of a lethal gun as a thing...is to be lethal. Some will apply the same thing to cars or butcher knives or medicine in the wrong hands---all of these things CAN be lethal too...but if they are, they failed at their primary purpose (to get someone from A to B, to cut a steak, to help a sick person).

Killing is not some "secondary" function of an AR-15. It's not something that it only "might" be capable of in an accident situation like those other things.

Killing (and killing rapidly and efficiently) is it's primary and intended function.

I posted this in the other thread somewhere, but from my POV, the issue we should be discussing in the aftermath of this tragedy is not gun control, but mental illness. Gun laws would hardly stop something like this from happening IMO. Guns can be obtained illegally by those determined to use them, and there are other means of killing innocent people than the use of guns (you could plow into a crowd with a truck, use flammable or explosive materials cheaply and easily available to anyone, use knives with those who can't defend themselves against it, etc.). We do have a major crisis in this country with gun violence, but psychos going on rampages every few years aren't the real problem so much as poor black on black gang-type violence. Regarding nut jobs like the ****** responsible for all this, I think the lesson politicians should take is that there is need for a change in our understanding of mental illness and our ability and willingness to identify and get assistance for those with mental illness before something like this happens. It still won't stop every tragedy that some psychopath initiates from taking place, but we should take pause to consider that this highlights what can happen when we stigmatize the issue, so that those experiencing the problem don't seek help and those who can potentially help (like this guy's mom) aren't willing or informed enough about the issues to step in and do something.

I think the fact that people don't focus nearly as much on that as gun control highlights how illegitimate and unimportant folks think it is. And it is not sexy or something that get the Bill O'Reilly/Rachel Maddow watching demographics to spring into action. Oh, well.

You're just trolling now. Again, you missed the point of yet another post because you just want to pick a fight. I never said the purpose of the gun wasn't to kill. I said it wasn't designed with the intent of killing a theatre full of innocent people. At this point, you're just trying to pick a fight ignoring the total context of my posts to incite a flame war. You'd have a point if the gun didn't require being loaded, having the safety switched off, being aimed at someone and the trigger to be pulled. Until those conditions are met, it's a doorstop.

Not going to try and disagree with any of you but see my questions is much more simple.

In this day and age, where we have the patriot act (which i don't like) and people are tracked for buying flagged items, How in the hell does this guy buy Thousands of rounds at once online with no dealer license and not trip a single investigation?

How does this happen?
https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443295404577543220125066022.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

 

[CelticPredator]

You did. In theory,.

 

[thenammagazine]

Not going to try and disagree with any of you but see my questions is much more simple.

In this day and age, where we have the patriot act (which i don't like) and people are tracked for buying flagged items, How in the hell does this guy buy Thousands of rounds at once online with no dealer license and not trip a single investigation?

How does this happen?
https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443295404577543220125066022.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

How many non-psychos do that? You ignored the fact that the websites don't ship to states where sales are prohibited. And last time I checked, 60 days isn't "at once."

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

How many non-psychos do that? You ignored the fact that the websites don't ship to states where sales are prohibited. And last time I checked, 60 days isn't "at once."

So you're okay with a single individual buying thousands of rounds in a 60 day period? Again, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking.

 

[intothevoid]

Not going to try and disagree with any of you but see my questions is much more simple.

In this day and age, where we have the patriot act (which i don't like) and people are tracked for buying flagged items, How in the hell does this guy buy Thousands of rounds at once online with no dealer license and not trip a single investigation?

How does this happen?
https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443295404577543220125066022.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Sadly much of it has to be with him being white Caucasian (correct me if i'm wrong about his ethnicity).

He simply wouldn't have tripped certain pre-programmed alarm bells.

 

[thenammagazine]

So you're okay with a single individual buying thousands of rounds in a 60 day period? Again, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking.

Given his location, I don't find that odd. Now if it were San Francisco, New York, etc., that'd be another story. Ted Nugent probably makes considerably bigger purchases and even had his home raided by the Secret Service because someone in Washington is a complete dumbass. I don't see him shooting up a theatre.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

Given his location, I don't find that odd. Now if it were San Francisco, New York, etc., that'd be another story. Ted Nugent probably makes considerably bigger purchases and even had his home raided by the Secret Service because someone in Washington is a complete dumbass. I don't see him shooting up a theatre.

But that's what I'm saying, Ted hasn't even come close to breaking a law and everyone knows who Ted is and they raided his house. Granted I have no idea what he bought.

This is some student, who's spending thousands of dollars on guns and ammo in a short period.

I mean, I go shooting every once in a while. About a hundred rounds off my sig at a range is more than enough and I rarely do that.

I dunno, I just find it odd.

 

[thenammagazine]

Sadly much of it has to be with him being white Caucasian (correct me if i'm wrong about his ethnicity).

He simply wouldn't have tripped certain pre-programmed alarm bells.

Because there are check-out programs that can determine ethnicity through computers.

But that's what I'm saying, Ted hasn't even come close to breaking a law and everyone knows who Ted is and they raided his house. Granted I have no idea what he bought.

This is some student, who's spending thousands of dollars on guns and ammo in a short period.

I mean, I go shooting every once in a while. About a hundred rounds off my sig at a range is more than enough and I rarely do that.

I dunno, I just find it odd.

Only because you're looking at it post tragedy. There are many freaks here who likely make similar purchases who go shooting every weekend. Are you saying they should all be on an FBI watchlist?

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

Because there are check-out programs that can determine ethnicity through computers.



Only because you're looking at it post tragedy. There are many freaks here who likely make similar purchases who go shooting every weekend. Are you saying they should all be on an FBI watchlist?

If they're already looking into things don't you think they already would be?

 

[thenammagazine]

If they're already looking into things don't you think they already would be?

If we lived in a Minority Report world, yes.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

If we lived in a Minority Report world, yes.

Call me crazy if you want. I guess you think it's out of the realm of possibility that they actually look into weapon and ammo sales.

 

[intothevoid]

Because there are check-out programs that can determine ethnicity through computers.

I'm sure you're aware that the CIA is a little more sophisticated than that.

I'm almost certain me writing this here right now is being monitored somewhere

 

[CelticPredator]

^ I ___ to pictures of bears. DEAL WITH THAT FBI DOOD.

 

[thenammagazine]

Call me crazy if you want. I guess you think it's out of the realm of possibility that they actually look into weapon and ammo sales.

Well, who raided the White House when the president authorized the Attorney General to purchase and send thousands of guns to cartels in Central America? By Void's rational, he's half black so that should've automatically tagged him as a potential terrorist.

I'm sure you're aware that the CIA is a little more sophisticated than that.

I'm almost certain me writing this here right now is being monitored somewhere

I think you're grossly overestimating the CIA's resources.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

I'm almost certain me writing this here right now is being monitored somewhere

to that I say