Studios withholding box office figures this weekend.

[TechLife]

Cinemark owns that theater by the way...

I'm downplaying it at the moment because there is no proof one way or the other. Calling himself the Joker doesn't mean anything beyond setting up the insanity plea. If he really wanted to be the Joker, why red? Why not green?

More importantly, I don't want to see this blamed on the movie. The dude is a nut job. Batman didn't make him do it and we all know that's what we're going to hear.

 

[thenammagazine]

Cinemark owns that theater by the way...

I'm downplaying it at the moment because there is no proof one way or the other. Calling himself the Joker doesn't mean anything beyond setting up the insanity plea. If he really wanted to be the Joker, why red? Why not green?

More importantly, I don't want to see this blamed on the movie. The dude is a nut job. Batman didn't make him do it and we all know that's what we're going to hear.

Batman's just as guilty as the guns he used to pull the trigger, but people have no problem blaming them.

 

[TechLife]

Batman's just as guilty as the guns he used to pull the trigger, but people have no problem blaming them.

I do. It's all crap.

 

[CelticPredator]

Guns don't kill people. Except when they misfire.

 

[Solidus]

^I recently had an argument with some asshat on Facebook, who actually blamed Christopher Nolan for brain-washing Holmes into going on his killing spree. I don't like to get political, but far-left ideologs are really out on full force because of this incident and it's getting quite sickening. It seems like they're willing to put the blame on everything EXCEPT for the man who was actually responsible for this tragedy.

 

[TechLife]

It seems like they're willing to put the blame on everything EXCEPT for the man who was actually responsible for this tragedy.

Well said.

 

[DarkMagic]

Batman's just as guilty as the guns he used to pull the trigger, but people have no problem blaming them.

False equivalency. The primary purpose of "Batman" (in our real world, not some fictional world) is to entertain us. What is the primary purpose of an AR-15 with a full clip? Easy access to "Batman" did not give this guy the means to kill a dozen people. Easy access to guns and ammo?

^I recently had an argument with some asshat on Facebook, who actually blamed Christopher Nolan for brain-washing Holmes into going on his killing spree. I don't like to get political, but far-left ideologs are really out on full force because of this incident and it's getting quite sickening. It seems like they're willing to put the blame on everything EXCEPT for the man who was actually responsible for this tragedy.

How exactly does your facebook example show a far-left opinion? That guy's opinion that Christopher Nolan brainwashed this guy or is in anyway responsible for this murder spree doesn't strike me as far-left or far-right....just far stupid.

 

[The Ween]

Please don't turn this thread into another pro or anti gun thread. There's already one.

 

[wofford29]

False equivalency. The primary purpose of "Batman" (in our real world, not some fictional world) is to entertain us. What is the primary purpose of an AR-15 with a full clip? Easy access to "Batman" did not give this guy the means to kill a dozen people. Easy access to guns and ammo?

That's not a false equivalency though. Batman is not responsible for killing those people and the guns aren't responsible for killing those people. The retard is responsible for killing those people.

 

[DarkMagic]

That's not a false equivalency though. Batman is not responsible for killing those people and the guns aren't responsible for killing those people. The retard is responsible for killing those people.

I am in total agreement that this guy is to blame for killing these people. But the undeniable fact is, it would be a LOT harder to kill 12 people with a fully loaded...."Batman".

 

[thenammagazine]

False equivalency. The primary purpose of "Batman" (in our real world, not some fictional world) is to entertain us. What is the primary purpose of an AR-15 with a full clip? Easy access to "Batman" did not give this guy the means to kill a dozen people. Easy access to guns and ammo?

You completely missed the meaning of that post.

That's not a false equivalency though. Batman is not responsible for killing those people and the guns aren't responsible for killing those people. The retard is responsible for killing those people.

But he's too hellbent on trolling anything anti-Nolan to see that.

 

[DarkMagic]

You completely missed the meaning of that post.



But he's too hellbent on trolling anything anti-Nolan to see that.

Wrong. I absolutely understand that inanimate objects like comic books, movies, and yes...guns...don't decide on their own to do anything. Of course a gun cannot drive itself to a theater and kill people. If that is your point, then you'll see we totally agree on that.

However, do you have an honest and direct answer (not convoluted, sarcastic or smart-ass) to the following question:

Besides making money for the creators/manufacturers of each of these things, what is the primary purpose of the design of each of these:

1. - A Batman movie

2. - An AR-15 fully automatic assault rifle

 

[thenammagazine]

If that is your point, then you'll see we totally agree on that.

That was my point. As usual, you overthought it.

But I'm certain, just as TDKR was designed to entertain it's audience, not to be used as a tool for a psycho's agenda, when they designed the AR-15, the engineers and fabricators weren't doing so, so that some ********* would use the rifle to go into a theatre and unload on an innocent audience. That's where your failpoint lies.

 

[Voorhees27]

 

[intothevoid]

Gun laws need to be tightened if you ask me

And this guy needs to be handed the death sentence

 

[DarkMagic]

That was my point. As usual, you overthought it.

But I'm certain, just as TDKR was designed to entertain it's audience, not to be used as a tool for a psycho's agenda, when they designed the AR-15, the engineers and fabricators weren't doing so, so that some ********* would use the rifle to go into a theatre and unload on an innocent audience. That's where your flaw comes in.

Nice try but that answer fails the "direct, not-convoluted" requirement.

The purpose of a Batman movie is to entertain.

The purpose of an AR-15 is to kill.

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Now if I wanted to do what you just did, I could come up with a convoluted --but still plausible-- purpose for each--

The purpose of a Batman movie is to entertain...ONLY those who have the best intentions, will pay full ticket/dvd/blu-ray/netflix price and not pirate it, and only those who are all around good people.

The purpose of an AR-15 is to kill...but ONLY when used by law enforcement against lethal criminals, or the US military and our allies against our enemies on the fields of combat.

Sure, both of these explanations assume the very best (or at least, "ridiculously specific" intentions) of their respective creators...but you can't deny that when you get that specific with it....they are at best---assumptions.

The pure and simple purpose of a lethal gun as a thing...is to be lethal. Some will apply the same thing to cars or butcher knives or medicine in the wrong hands---all of these things CAN be lethal too...but if they are, they failed at their primary purpose (to get someone from A to B, to cut a steak, to help a sick person).

Killing is not some "secondary" function of an AR-15. It's not something that it only "might" be capable of in an accident situation like those other things.

Killing (and killing rapidly and efficiently) is it's primary and intended function.

 

[The Ween]

Where's that Australian girl's gif. This thread needs to get back on track.

 

[wofford29]

 

[karamazov80]

I posted this in the other thread somewhere, but from my POV, the issue we should be discussing in the aftermath of this tragedy is not gun control, but mental illness. Gun laws would hardly stop something like this from happening IMO. Guns can be obtained illegally by those determined to use them, and there are other means of killing innocent people than the use of guns (you could plow into a crowd with a truck, use flammable or explosive materials cheaply and easily available to anyone, use knives with those who can't defend themselves against it, etc.). We do have a major crisis in this country with gun violence, but psychos going on rampages every few years aren't the real problem so much as poor black on black gang-type violence. Regarding nut jobs like the ****** responsible for all this, I think the lesson politicians should take is that there is need for a change in our understanding of mental illness and our ability and willingness to identify and get assistance for those with mental illness before something like this happens. It still won't stop every tragedy that some psychopath initiates from taking place, but we should take pause to consider that this highlights what can happen when we stigmatize the issue, so that those experiencing the problem don't seek help and those who can potentially help (like this guy's mom) aren't willing or informed enough about the issues to step in and do something.

I think the fact that people don't focus nearly as much on that as gun control highlights how illegitimate and unimportant folks think it is. And it is not sexy or something that get the Bill O'Reilly/Rachel Maddow watching demographics to spring into action. Oh, well.

 

[thenammagazine]

Nice try but that answer fails the "direct, not-convoluted" requirement.

The purpose of a Batman movie is to entertain.

The purpose of an AR-15 is to kill.

------------------------------------------------
Now if I wanted to do what you just did, I could come up with a convoluted --but still plausible-- purpose for each--

The purpose of a Batman movie is to entertain...ONLY those who have the best intentions, will pay full ticket/dvd/blu-ray/netflix price and not pirate it, and only those who are all around good people.

The purpose of an AR-15 is to kill...but ONLY when used by law enforcement against lethal criminals, or the US military and our allies against our enemies on the fields of combat.

Sure, both of these explanations assume the very best (or at least, "ridiculously specific" intentions) of their respective creators...but you can't deny that when you get that specific with it....they are at best---assumptions.

The pure and simple purpose of a lethal gun as a thing...is to be lethal. Some will apply the same thing to cars or butcher knives or medicine in the wrong hands---all of these things CAN be lethal too...but if they are, they failed at their primary purpose (to get someone from A to B, to cut a steak, to help a sick person).

Killing is not some "secondary" function of an AR-15. It's not something that it only "might" be capable of in an accident situation like those other things.

Killing (and killing rapidly and efficiently) is it's primary and intended function.

You're just trolling now. Again, you missed the point of yet another post because you just want to pick a fight. I never said the purpose of the gun wasn't to kill. I said it wasn't designed with the intent of killing a theatre full of innocent people. At this point, you're just trying to pick a fight ignoring the total context of my posts to incite a flame war. You'd have a point if the gun didn't require being loaded, having the safety switched off, being aimed at someone and the trigger to be pulled. Until those conditions are met, it's a doorstop.