Suicide Squad 2 to be directed by James Gunn

[Khev]

I was looking at Matticus' sig -- King Shark being tossed into the collapsing building -- and if I saw that 20 years ago I would have been mesmerized. Now... a shot like that is chicken fodder. Nothing exciting. All your mind does is register that "KS got tossed." It's a shame because the work that went into that moment is probably greater than the excitement it generated.

Over a decade of the MCU and things like Transformers have just dulled the senses to anything being epic anymore. Rubber people and no sense of danger certainly doesn't help. I'm not sure what I would have to see on screen to get the same rush of adrenaline that I once got from much simpler films.

Yep. As much as me and my kids enjoyed the MCU and other current blockbusters the CGI visuals just don't inspire awe the way films of decades past used to. And this isn't just me looking at stuff from my youth with rose colored glasses.

Just a couple of weeks ago I let my 11 year old son watch Predator (1987) for the first time and when Dutch's team was mowing through the guerilla camp my son exclaimed "did they really set that guy on fire?!??" You just don't get that kind of reaction with visuals or stunts today because everything is assumed to be safely animated on someone's desktop.

 

[GaryPool]

I was looking at Matticus' sig -- King Shark being tossed into the collapsing building -- and if I saw that 20 years ago I would have been mesmerized. Now... a shot like that is chicken fodder. Nothing exciting. All your mind does is register that "KS got tossed." It's a shame because the work that went into that moment is probably greater than the excitement it generated.

Over a decade of the MCU and things like Transformers have just dulled the senses to anything being epic anymore. Rubber people and no sense of danger certainly doesn't help. I'm not sure what I would have to see on screen to get the same rush of adrenaline that I once got from much simpler films.

It's funny - the amount of money and time that goes into grandiose CGI experiences meant to wow, and what gets my hairs to raise still comes down to the simple practical small-time stuff done in a small room.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'm not sure what I would have to see on screen to get the same rush of adrenaline that I once got from much simpler films.

Compelling charcters and high personal stakes. A giant cute CGI Starfish throwing a cute indestructible cgi shark against a building is like watching me trying to stick a slice of bologna on a wall. Actually, that might be compelling, since the wall and bologna are actually real.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I really wonder what the next step is? What the hell will Hollywood come up with that will just blow us all away and start the next level of "excitement"...?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I really wonder what the next step is? What the hell will James Cameron come up with that will just blow us all away and start the next level of "excitement"...?

Fixed that there for ya, buddy.

 

[matticus]

I was looking at Matticus' sig -- King Shark being tossed into the collapsing building -- and if I saw that 20 years ago I would have been mesmerized. Now... a shot like that is chicken fodder. Nothing exciting. All your mind does is register that "KS got tossed." It's a shame because the work that went into that moment is probably greater than the excitement it generated.

Over a decade of the MCU and things like Transformers have just dulled the senses to anything being epic anymore. Rubber people and no sense of danger certainly doesn't help. I'm not sure what I would have to see on screen to get the same rush of adrenaline that I once got from much simpler films.

Great point. Overindulged in the industry. Makes me think of comics too, all the great artistry, gone after the week after the comic is released.

I think the best type of media that I get to appreciate CGI in is Mando right now. Get a long burn with story and you feel immersed. Might be why I like the TSS village killing scene, not a lot of obvious CGI. Marvel is an onslaught of CGI.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Compelling charcters and high personal stakes. A giant cute CGI Starfish throwing a cute indestructible cgi shark against a building is like watching me trying to stick a slice of bologna on a wall. Actually, that might be compelling, since the wall and bologna are actually real.

That's absolutely part of it. If your hero is indestructible, then only something like killing half the universe seems like tremendous stakes. But then where do you go?

I really have come to dislike superheroes because they totally undermine excitement to me. They are virtually indestructible. And Superman is the worst offender. It is the prime reason I don't like cartoons. And the action/adventure movies of the last decade or more have mostly become live-action cartoons.

One of the few genuinely exciting moments in recent time (in the MCU) was the very real-feeling moment in TWS when the bad soldiers are trying to get Fury out of his car. That little moment had more tension and suspense and excitement -- every time that hammer hit the glass -- then most entire MCU or Transformer films.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Fixed that there for ya, buddy.

Will the King of the World strike back?

 

[matticus]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Will the King of the World strike back?

Watch him bring the box office back from the dead.

 

[greygoose]

Watch him bring back the box office from the dead.

Avatar 2 might be the film that does it. Maybe not as big as anticipated but will still be big.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Things always go Cameron's way.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

King Shark was the best thing about this movie

 

[Khev]

I really have come to dislike superheroes because they totally undermine excitement to me. They are virtually indestructible.

That was one thing that I'd actually put in The Suicide Squad's favor. Probably not since RoboCop have I watched a superhero movie where at any given moment I was braced for something horrible to happen to any given character. As I said in a previous post I didn't even think Ratcatcher was immune (thought Gunn was gonna gruesomely kill her for laughs when she shook KS's hand) until later scenes established her as a primary character.

At about the midway point I remember making a mental prediction as to who would survive and guessed Bloodsport, Flagg, Harley (duh), and Ratcatcher. Polka-Dot Man lasted much longer than I thought he would (I figured he was just another silly throw away character like Javelin and the other dorks from the beginning) and I was totally thrown for a loop when Peacemaker killed Flagg. King Shark I kept expecting to die as well and figured he'd go out in a blaze of glory so it was fun to be surprised with how a number of the characters ended up.

 

[karamazov80]

Yeah in that sense, this was the antithesis of Black Widow where those characters should have died about 50 times but seemed indestructible despite being more or less normal humans.

I was confident Harley would survive, and figured Peacemaker and Bloodsport would make it through since they are pretty big actors at this point and could be used in sequels. I knew who the true cannon fodder was from the commercials, and figured few if any of those guys would make it. I hoped Boomerang would make it out but knew deep down he wouldn't because he was absent from all of the core scenes in the trailers.

Question marks for me were Shark, Ratcatcher, Flagg, and Polka Dot Man. To Khev's point, I just read that Gunn initially planned to kill off Ratcatcher, but didn't have the heart to do it when he made her so sweet and likable. So. . .Polka Dot Man took her spot.

I thought Bloodsport was a great bad-ass. Much moreso than Will Smith as Deadshot. Hope we will see more of him down the road, as well as King Shark.

 

[GaryPool]

Is it just me or WB's seems confused what to do with Harley? Margot Robbie is great in the role, but it's not working in BoP or TSS. I still think her best outing was SS, she seemed more of a character unto herself in that - they've lost something in translation in thinking her problem was being tied to the Joker, because whatever it is I think they killed what made her work in that film.

 

[Khev]

Yeah in that sense, this was the antithesis of Black Widow where those characters should have died about 50 times but seemed indestructible despite being more or less normal humans.

I was confident Harley would survive, and figured Peacemaker and Bloodsport would make it through since they are pretty big actors at this point and could be used in sequels. I knew who the true cannon fodder was from the commercials, and figured few if any of those guys would make it. I hoped Boomerang would make it out but knew deep down he wouldn't because he was absent from all of the core scenes in the trailers.

Question marks for me were Shark, Ratcatcher, Flagg, and Polka Dot Man. To Khev's point, I just read that Gunn initially planned to kill off Ratcatcher, but didn't have the heart to do it when he made her so sweet and likable. So. . .Polka Dot Man took her spot.

I thought Bloodsport was a great bad-ass. Much moreso than Will Smith as Deadshot. Hope we will see more of him down the road, as well as King Shark.

Yeah, at first I thought it was kind of mean to kill Polka-Dot Man but when I think about it as much as I liked him seeing his mom everywhere I don't think that that joke would have had the longevity to continue on into future films.

Agreed on Bloodsport, he had some of the funniest lines to especially since he spared the majority of the terrible one-liners. His "F*** you/F*** YOU/F*** YOUUU!" back and forth with his daughter was freaking hilarious. I wish that Gunn had focused more on creating funny situations like that as opposed to trying so hard to be funny with all the bad one-liners.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

I was looking at Matticus' sig -- King Shark being tossed into the collapsing building -- and if I saw that 20 years ago I would have been mesmerized. Now... a shot like that is chicken fodder. Nothing exciting. All your mind does is register that "KS got tossed." It's a shame because the work that went into that moment is probably greater than the excitement it generated.

Over a decade of the MCU and things like Transformers have just dulled the senses to anything being epic anymore. Rubber people and no sense of danger certainly doesn't help. I'm not sure what I would have to see on screen to get the same rush of adrenaline that I once got from much simpler films.

Luke Skywalker's return didn't do it for you? Because if it didn't I don't know what would.

 

[greygoose]

Things always go Cameron's way.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Luke Skywalker's return didn't do it for you? Because if it didn't I don't know what would.