Also kudos to Gunn for no skybeam or time travel. 
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abake
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Watched this again last night despite initially claiming it'd be a one and done, lol.
Man it's such a mixed bag that starts and ends so well. I really do love the opening as well as the entire last 30 minutes or so so both viewings have ended on quite the high note for me.
Some random thoughts:
1. Despite Harley Quinn being the best element of SS (2016) she really is the worst element of this one. That voice and those lines, ugh. So much so that I found myself watching the team in the strip club downing drinks and dancing and thinking "why is this part so much more appealing than earlier parts of the movie? Oh yeah, NO HARLEY QUINN."
Thank God she barely speaks once Starro is let loose, it allows me to enjoy her a lot more. But then once he's dead she starts in on Bloodsport about how she thought his name was "Milton" and groan I just can't help but roll my eyes all over again. Stupid unfunny joke that goes on way too long. Fortunately it then cuts to Weasel and that idiotic run he does on the beach which makes me smile again right before the credits, lol.
I did like Harley's breakout scene but once the little cartoons started flying around and shooting out of the bad guys it also hit me that Gunn was basically pulling a "Kill Bill" with that sequence. Which then immediately left me realizing how much better the entire film would have been (ESPECIALLY the dialogue!!!!) had it been directed by QT. The attack on the freedom fighter camp already felt like something out of Django Unchained and then Harley's escape would have been that much better.
Gunn should have really leaned into the animated bits even more IMO, maybe even having when Harley enters that final hall with the M-16's show her heightened state of crazy by having her completely transform into her 90's animated self for a bit. That could have been a fun homage to TAS while evoking humor as we watch Bruce Timm Harley slicing and dicing her way through live-action goons in gory fashion. Anyway I could have totally seen QT doing something like that though I suppose if he were in charge the film would have probably lost its sentimental bits which I do admit are some of my favorite moments of the film. (I'm a sucker for dad/daughter hero moments and can't really think of anything approaching that in any QT flick.)
2. I remember the first time watching this when Ratcatcher was shaking King Shark's hand in the camp and she was looking at Bloodsport smiling with pride I completely expected Gunn to shock us by having KS do something gross like rip her arm off or bite off her head. So nice subverting of expectations there, lol.
3. Polka-Dot Man is an awesome character and I still lol'd at his mom appearing everywhere as the team in the forest, the girls dancing around him, and then of course Starro at the end. An awesome joke that was used just the right amount of times for maximum entertainment without wearing thin.
4. Despite the inherent silliness of his costume John Cena really made for an awesome visual in his super colorful outfit.
5. Ratcatcher's likability is one of the cornerstone's of the entire movie. If she failed or was abrasive in any way then so much of the film's redeeming sentimental value would have fallen flat. As it stood she was the emotional glue that held up not only her own story but KS and much of Bloodsport's as well.
6. The fight to the death between Peacemaker and Flagg was awesome (LOVED the bit where you watch them duke it out in the reflection of PM's helmet) as was the showdown between PM and Bloodsport. The "smaller bullet" gag was nicely done.
7. I just love every moment that Starro and mini-Starros were on screen. Though I'm not sure how the bad guys ever thought he'd take down entire countries considering his little mini-Starros aren't self-replicating. The "what the actual f***" from the guy on the balcony when Starro emerged was hilarious, lol. I also liked how they even made you feel a little sorry for him with that bit at the end about him having been happy just floating in space.
8. Going back to Harley for a second her opening outfit was so freaking cool! WHY did she have to change it so quickly????Also I wish they wrote into her character that a byproduct of her mental illness was that whenever she'd "snap" it would somehow cause super doses of adrenaline to rush through her system, *something* to explain her prolonged strength and hardiness against waves of full grown men.
9. I just read an interview where Gunn said that he and WB thought that they might be "going too far" with the team wasting the camp of friendly freedom fighters so he added the bit where Waller orders them to attack. The problem is that didn't really jive with Flagg's declaration that they are all a bunch of "f***ing idiots." They were under direct orders to wipe out the camp with extreme prejudice AND they had bombs in their heads if they refused so it's not like they had much of a choice.
10. I found it interesting that the story's anti-America rhetoric included both Republican and Democratic administrations of the last 30 years. You don't see that every day and while I think the last thing audiences need right now is more "America is bad" bullcrap at least it was an equal opportunity offender against both political parties, lol.
11. The jokes. For the most part they were just SO bad...and I think the worst part wasn't just that they were bad but that they were clearly written as if each one would bring down the house. Ugh. I did laugh out loud maybe two or three times but as of right now I can't remember which specific lines, lol. A lot of times it seemed like something funny would happen (TDK stupidly slapping armed bad guys from a distance, lol) but then it'd be ruined by Harley having to open her mouth and comment on it.
12. The "Milton" bit with him tagging along and getting killed seemed like a direct ripoff of "Peter" from Deadpool 2's X-Force team.
13. Opening the film with a squad of total canon fodder (complete with Flagg, Harley, and Boomerang in order to make us assume they weren't) was definitely a stroke of genius.
14. Bloodsport dishing out commands at the end ("Harley take the high ground, KS that is num num, Polka-Dot that's your mother," etc.) played as kind of a bizarro world version of Cap issuing orders against the Chitauri, lol.
Watched it a couple of days ago and I agree with pretty much everything you've said, except that I didn't find Harley that annoying, and I did find Ratcatcher 2 slightly annoying...
I enjoyed the fact that the movie is pure comic-book mayhem, it's probably the most comic-book-y movie of all CBM's. It is totally unapologetic about its roots and completely unselfconscious.
I must say I admire WB for just letting directors follow their visions (Whedon's JL notwithstanding): Zack Snyder did his thing, Patty Jenkins did her thing, James Wan did his thing, Todd Philips did his thing and now James Gunn has done his thing... hopefully we will get to see Ayer's cut of SS sometime down the road.
greygoose
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The positive side of this is that it allows for variety throughout the films.
The MCU was so successful because every film followed the same blueprint, rinse and repeat.
I see Starro's big eye now and I just want to poke it.
Also what was with the general needing to interrogate Harley to see if she was the only soldier sent by the Americans. Umm half your army just did battle with her entire team on the beach genius, lol.
Too much thought about a movie that starts with dropping a Weasel into the ocean without asking if he can swim.
That Starro gif needs to be cropped and made someone's new avatar.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
WB paid 250 million for that.
They made 25 million lol
They made 25 million lol
loki2371
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Both SS movie villains were such dumb choices for reject villains. At least the 1st movie had the fire guy grow and battle the other god guy. Yet they were so underpowered as a whole to take on the enchantress. Then in this one they put them against Starro who's a match for the whole JL with Supes, Wonder Woman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, GL....
SS shoots guns at him?? WTF?
Just like in the 1st movie, where the hell were the real heroes? So stupid.
SS shoots guns at him?? WTF?
Just like in the 1st movie, where the hell were the real heroes? So stupid.
Clearly they were visiting Superman in the ICU. Just got him back. Didn’t want to lose him again so it was all hands on deck at the hospital.
They weren't sent to fight Starro. They were sent to destroy the records that tied the experiments to the US.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
SS vs Thanos lol
Done.
That's an awesome avatar!
Yeah it was a good idea by the Wor!
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I love this design. Dc always has such amazing designs for villains. Even the over the top ones
The Clown Prince of Crime
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So the film bombed. Hehe.
No stars...movie stars, I mean
No Joker
Indris Elba?
Crappy marketing campaign
No villain to get people hyped
d i c k jokes
So much can be learned from this film.
The Batman better learn.
No stars...movie stars, I mean
No Joker
Indris Elba?
Crappy marketing campaign
No villain to get people hyped
d i c k jokes
So much can be learned from this film.
The Batman better learn.
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Honestly. While I think marketing was a huge part of it and the pandemic rising a bit again I think more people will choose to watch it at home rather than to go to a movie and pay to watch something. It's easier to just watch things from home than being in a theater. You 're in your own space and comfortable. I bet the movie had lots of streams.So the film bombed. Hehe.
No stars...movie stars, I mean
No Joker
Indris Elba?
Crappy marketing campaign
No villain to get people hyped
d i c k jokes
So much can be learned from this film.
The Batman better learn.
I love kong and godzilla but when that came out on hbo max I rather watched it at home. Also lets be completely honest. This year sucked for movies. We only had a few good hits here and there and the only outings from the Mcu are Z list characters or boring characters like Shang chi and Black widow.
The only way your gonna get my ass in a movie theater seat again is if tobey maguire and Andrew garfield share the same damn screen with tom holland in pretty much what could be the biggest spiderman movie of all time. If not then i'll be waiting for The batman or Sonic 2
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