T800 HEAD - Toynami/HCG Clean VS Sideshow damaged

[Toni Plutonij]

Toni, you need to get the SS skull too

Trust me, if I could, I wouldn't mind it at all....Even tho I find it inferior, it's ENDO SKULL! And it's never enough of these!

 

[jkno]

Trust me, if I could, I wouldn't mind it at all....Even tho I find it inferior, it's ENDO SKULL! And it's never enough of these!

The words of the day are "save", "focus" and "patience". If you follow these 3 words you'll get the other version too. Cannot wait to bring the SS bust to the new house to meet his HCG brother there

 

[tnaig001]

saw this at the dvd shop yesterday. it was one of those endo pics which was layered over arnold's face.

appears to be more HCGish?

I think the SS skull looks like the one shown at the beginning of t2 but the HCG seems more in line with arnold's skull?

 

[ENDO-HUNTER]

Toni... Using the word inferior is just plain wrong bro I have owned both the HCG Endoskull and currently own the SS CHROME and COMBAT versions and let me tell you the QUALITY of the SS version is head and shoulders above the HCG one. May I ask if you have seen the SS in person or in pictures only? I have to believe if you have than you would not be throwing around the word INFERIOR so easily. From the TEETH to the NECK cables on the HCG being so horribly inaccurate AND NO REMOVABLE CPU puts it way down the list at least for me in owning one compared to the SS versions. Now having said all that if you are referring only to the SCULPT as being inferior than yes that is your opinion and I respect that. If not I guess we can agree to disagree and still be TERMINATOR FANS and friends Take care, Mike

Trust me, if I could, I wouldn't mind it at all....Even tho I find it inferior, it's ENDO SKULL! And it's never enough of these!

 

[tnaig001]

i think i dun think toni meant it that way AR. Think its just a choice of words.

The two skulls are different and to be honest, i think its good they are. variety is good. two identical bust would be "meh" for me


But having said that and having had both before (and having cleaned one BD as well) I got to say that the quality of chrome and hoses are comparable.

However, the hoses on the HCG skull seem to be more movie accurate.

Strange cos when you compare the 1:1 endo statue, the hoses are in the correct place (same as the HCG). Do not know why it is different for the SS 1:1 skull.


Congrats to all who own one or the other. Its a beautiful piece.

 

[Toni Plutonij]

Toni... Using the word inferior is just plain wrong bro I have owned both the HCG Endoskull and currently own the SS CHROME and COMBAT versions and let me tell you the QUALITY of the SS version is head and shoulders above the HCG one. May I ask if you have seen the SS in person or in pictures only? I have to believe if you have than you would not be throwing around the word INFERIOR so easily. From the TEETH to the NECK cables on the HCG being so horribly inaccurate AND NO REMOVABLE CPU puts it way down the list at least for me in owning one compared to the SS versions. Now having said all that if you are referring only to the SCULPT as being inferior than yes that is your opinion and I respect that. If not I guess we can agree to disagree and still be TERMINATOR FANS and friends Take care, Mike

Hey Mike, it was indeed bad choice of words (English isn't my first language, so it's sometimes hard to express properly), I don't think absolutely nothing bad of SS skull, I simply prefer HCG one
My main point is the sculpt and the basic shape of the head, and besides the details I've already listed..
Unfortunately I haven't seen one of the SS busts in person, only pictures and videos, but I really don't have to see it to know that I have big problem with it's teeth and the fact that CPU port is just out of scale (these are fact, not something I made up )
And really, I'm well aware that I'm in minority, I also understand why most of the people prefer SS piece, it's all understandable, I'm just pointing out that my choice is the HCG skull over the things I've mentioned..

i think i dun think toni meant it that way AR. Think its just a choice of words.

The two skulls are different and to be honest, i think its good they are. variety is good. two identical bust would be "meh" for me


But having said that and having had both before (and having cleaned one BD as well) I got to say that the quality of chrome and hoses are comparable.

However, the hoses on the HCG skull seem to be more movie accurate.

Strange cos when you compare the 1:1 endo statue, the hoses are in the correct place (same as the HCG). Do not know why it is different for the SS 1:1 skull.


Congrats to all who own one or the other. Its a beautiful piece.

I agree with your statement that it's a good thing that they look different, because they offer people to choose what is the best for them, and also to collect bigger variety of skulls!

From what I know, HCG/Toynami had better quality control and had far less problems with clean chrome busts.

And I can give you the answer on your "mystery" with difference in 1:1 endo from SideShow and their skull..it's because 1:1 Endo is build from LFS kit and has the same skull as Toynami/HCG! It's the very same skull, not the SideShow (Stan Winston approved) skull..

 

[ENDO-HUNTER]

Hey Toni read this... a direct quote from Sideshow stating they PARTNERED with STAN WINSTON STUDIOS. So I am sure he knew about it. I also included the link:

To celebrate the 15th Anniversary of this modern classic film, Sideshow Collectibles and Stan Winston Studios have partnered to create the T-800 Endoskeleton Life-Size Bust. For the first time ever, the Endoskeleton skull has been reproduced with complete authenticity to the film by the same artists that created the Endoskeleton for the film. The Endoskeleton Life-Size Bust features electronic, light-up eyes and a removable CPU microchip replica. The Combat Veteran version of the bust features a weathered paint application. The T-800 Endoskeleton Life-Size Bust is the perfect centerpiece for your T2 collection - don't miss your opportunity to order!

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=83331&utm_source=listing-83331&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=online

In my honest opinion, I doubt that Stan Winston had anything to do with the SS piece (with the exception of his name pinned to it), I don't think he even saw it, and actually approved it..
That is my own opinion formed by talking to some people trough time, and even more, by reading "Winston Effect" and watching some documentaries (mostly behind the scenes)..
You probably know, but Winston was a perfectionist, and SS skull simply has too many flaws that I don't think Winston would approve of..

Again, it's my opinion, I respect others, and I'm well aware that I'm in minority..


Icons skull would be "too round" while HCG, I believe is second generation recast of the actual screen used one!
SideShow is obviously NOT screen accurate, but "idealized" version of Terminator skull..It has some details softened, and overall a bit changed shape, also as mentioned many times before:
it has oversized CPU cover......it has oversized chip......most of the skulls are cross eyed....battle damage paint is awful....and teeth, no words for that.

And after all that, it's impressive skull and I wouldn't mind having it.....it's just matter of taste..

 

[Toni Plutonij]

It is a description, surely you don't believe that "For the first time ever, the Endoskeleton skull has been reproduced with complete authenticity to the film" :
I mean, lust look at the scene in your sig, do you see such teeth on Endo?
Did you saw how the CPU looks like?
Did you see the size of the cover?
Did you see the eyes? (Eyes on HCG are also incorrect, as in "not screen accurate")

Just watch the movie, and look at the skull....now tell me, it's the same "complete authenticity" skull

I'm not looking to pick a fight here, I'm simply stating my opinion, bunch of people before me posted that SideShow is the best, and it rocks! nobody confronted them, I simply stated that I like the HCG better, and in my opinion I find it to be more accurate, EVEN THO I'm well aware that SideShow bust is more liked!

 

[ENDO-HUNTER]

First of all... The ENDOS that have steel colored teeth are NOT INFILTRATION UNITS like ARNOLD was. The SIDESHOW ENDOBUSTS are reproductions of ARNOLDS version of the T800 Endoskeleton INFILTRATION UNIT. HENCE the GAP in the FRONT TEETH. No fight here my brother if you like the HCG better than by all means I respect that. Mike

It is a description, surely you don't believe that "For the first time ever, the Endoskeleton skull has been reproduced with complete authenticity to the film" :
I mean, lust look at the scene in your sig, do you see such teeth on Endo?
Did you saw how the CPU looks like?
Did you see the size of the cover?
Did you see the eyes? (Eyes on HCG are also incorrect, as in "not screen accurate")

Just watch the movie, and look at the skull....now tell me, it's the same "complete authenticity" skull

I'm not looking to pick a fight here, I'm simply stating my opinion, bunch of people before me posted that SideShow is the best, and it rocks! nobody confronted them, I simply stated that I like the HCG better, and in my opinion I find it to be more accurate, EVEN THO I'm well aware that SideShow bust is more liked!

 

[Toni Plutonij]

First of all... The ENDOS that have steel colored teeth are NOT INFILTRATION UNITS like ARNOLD was. The SIDESHOW ENDOBUSTS are reproductions of ARNOLDS version of the T800 Endoskeleton INFILTRATION UNIT. HENCE the GAP in the FRONT TEETH. No fight here my brother if you like the HCG better than by all means I respect that. Mike

I'm not talking about the steel colored teeth, nor the gap between front teeth that is specific for the CSM 101, I'm talking about huge lover teeth that no Endo has, teeth that are molded together and look nothing like seen on screen!

And just to point out, I'm simply sharing my opinion, I still like the SideShow skull, and really wouldn't mind getting one!

 

[Spewer]

ICONS rules them all.

 

[tnaig001]

ICONS rules them all.

You jest I'm sure.

 

[Spewer]

You jest I'm sure.

NO! I jest not.

We need a comparison thread of ICONS, HCG, and Sideshow!

Who has them all?

Since ICONS only did clean, the HCG and SS would have to be clean as well.​

 

[tnaig001]

NO! I jest not.

We need a comparison thread of ICONS, HCG, and Sideshow!

Who has them all?

Since ICONS only did clean, the HCG and SS would have to be clean as well.​

You can see the icons skull on page 2

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48614&highlight=icons&page=2

 

[FelMar]

NO! I jest not.

We need a comparison thread of ICONS, HCG, and Sideshow!

Who has them all?

Since ICONS only did clean, the HCG and SS would have to be clean as well.​

I tend to think the ICONS is a better looking skull too...
But then I've never seen the Timeless version

I actually just picked up what I think to be another ICONS skull (I found it at a thrift shop near my house). It looks identical to the real ICONS version I have that has a plaque.
I will take pics of the ICONS/Sideshow Clean/HCG clean so you guys can decide which bust rocks harder!

what are the chances that that other endo is indeed the timeless version..
how can I tell for sure ??

The real ICONS is on the right:

 

[Chewee Levelu]

Lucky FelMar

Icons is ... just a dream for me ... impossible to find in France ...

As usual, I love your collection ... specialy the Terminator and Alien part

You Rock !!!! :chew:chew:chew

 

[Toni Plutonij]

Great catch FelMar, Icons and Timeless versions are same, something similar like Toynami/HCG..Only difference i know of is the nametag!

I don't think you can tell for sure if bust is Timeless or Icons without the plaque, but I'll contact a friend of mine (who has them all), and see if he can check it up and find any subtle differences!

 

[Spewer]

TWO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Damn!

Have you unscrewed your ICONS from the base? Maybe there is a marking under the spine where it attaches to the base. I'd suggest doing that for your confirmed ICONS and the new (I'm so jealous) one.

 

[Valfar]

I think SSC version of this bust kills all the others.

 

[Andr3w]

I think SSC version of this bust kills all the others.

completely agree with you on this.