Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[jye4ever]

I would say T2 is darker than T1 in terms of theme and how foreshadowing it is, and it's really no more of an action blockbuster than T1.

This exchange here is way more frightening to me than anything on T1.



This part specifically freaks me the **** out.

Good stuff Gaspar.

I love that scene, man Stan was a ****ing genius, rest in pepperoni maestro.

I think, if I ever get to see a real nuke, I'm going to be disappointed, that scene has always been the ultimate nuke for me, scary.

 

[jye4ever]

My viewing changed to today.

Wife strikes again.

What a ***** she can be.

 

[Alice]

Whoa Alice, I'm fascinated with your theory that

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Pops reprogrammed a younger version of himself and sent himself back in time to protect Sarah out of his love for her. But then you got me thinking...what if HE was the T-1000 that killed her parents??? Two things about her memory of the lake house that don't seem to add up:

1. That Pops could have killed a T-1000 then and there

and

2. He was sporting 1984 Gargoyles.

We know he couldn't have gotten the Gargoyles in 1973 because those glasses weren't out yet. He also couldn't have "taken them with him" because you can't wear glasses through the time field. But...if you're a T-1000 you can just make them appear on your face after you slaughter a nice couple at a secluded cabin. We know that Sarah didn't actually witness Pops arriving and destroying the robot because she was hiding under the dock. What if...either her parents were Terminators (which is probably too far "out there") or...Pops targeted them himself and murdered them not because he was on a mission to terminate Sarah Connor so that Skynet could win but that he killed them because he "loved" her and wanted to be her dad????

Now that'd be a pretty effing sinister take on Pops that I don't know that the filmmakers or Schwarzenegger himself would want to commit to. It also wouldn't explain why Pops was a true non-T-1000 T-800 in 1984. So there would still be some gaps to fill in. But it's just an idea, or at least 12% of an idea...

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All plausible, but I wouldn't put too much stock in the sunglasses dictating any plot points. Technically, they're anachronistic for the time period they're in, but so is the Desert Eagle MkVII Sarah uses in 84. The MkVII wasn't produced until 89. I imagine the sunglasses are an artistic flourish.

T-Pops is definitely an 800 throughout the movie. The only way I can see the 800 in 73 being a T-1000 as you propose is if T-Pops-1000 went back, saved Sarah while using his morphing abilities to have those fashionable shades and then somehow turned guardianship of Sarah over to another older (but not obsolete) version of "technically" himself. If he loved her enough to go through all of that trouble you'd think he'd just use his more capable T-1000 powers to protect her. It all gets too convoluted and starts falling apart if we hinge our theories on a pair of sunglasses we literally see for about three seconds. Occam's razor. I think they were simply put there as a way of having us quickly and easily identify that this was Pops without having to have an expensive, close up CG shot of young Arnie again.

 

[spindrift]

I liked TG ..it was not a jokefest and had a fairly serious tone through out.
Arnold was very very good in the film, best thing in it. Action sequences with T 1000 were the best in the film. Ending was very weak and same old thing as you expect-"we gotta stop and destroy Skynet"..zzzzzzzzz

Overall a pleasant surprise- it's the third sequel folks- never going to be as good as the original or first sequel

 

[Khev]

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All plausible, but I wouldn't put too much stock in the sunglasses dictating any plot points. Technically, they're anachronistic for the time period they're in, but so is the Desert Eagle MkVII Sarah uses in 84. The MkVII wasn't produced until 89. I imagine the sunglasses are an artistic flourish.

T-Pops is definitely an 800 throughout the movie. The only way I can see the 800 in 73 being a T-1000 as you propose is if T-Pops-1000 went back, saved Sarah while using his morphing abilities to have those fashionable shades and then somehow turned guardianship of Sarah over to another older (but not obsolete) version of "technically" himself. If he loved her enough to go through all of that trouble you'd think he'd just use his more capable T-1000 powers to protect her. It all gets too convoluted and starts falling apart if we hinge our theories on a pair of sunglasses we literally see for about three seconds. Occam's razor. I think they were simply put there as a way of having us quickly and easily identify that this was Pops without having to have an expensive, close up CG shot of young Arnie again.

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Well I wasn't basing my theory on JUST the sunglasses but also the fact that Sarah didn't witness Pops actually fighting the T-1000 and that we as the audience would have known that would have been a very tough battle without a nearby steel mill or acid containers in the ceiling. But regardless on whether or not I can come up with a way that he'd be a T-1000 in 1973 and a T-800 in 1984 (and we know 100% that he was not a T-1000 since naked Arnold "scans him") I do realize that making Pops the murderer of Sarah's parents is probably way more hardcore than anything the filmmakers have planned for this series.

Your thought about Pops sending himself back though? I could totally see that actually happening.

 

[Khev]

My viewing changed to today.

Wife strikes again.

What a ***** she can be.

Tell her that **** just won't fly when The Force Awakens comes out.

 

[jye4ever]

Oh hell no.

I know why she **** blocked me, she wanted to go.

 

[a-dev]

Read all those spoilers. I had heard this rumour but wow it's true that:

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Pops becomes a T-1000. How would that happen....and if he can now change his appearance why would he stay as old Arnie - Arnie wouldn't!

 

[Khev]

Read all those spoilers. I had heard this rumour but wow it's true that:

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Pops becomes a T-1000. How would that happen....and if he can now change his appearance why would he stay as old Arnie - Arnie wouldn't!

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That's not *exactly* true. Do you really want the whole thing spoiled? There were so few twists left and you went ahead and read the last few spoilers. Shame on you.

 

[Khev]

Oh hell no.

I know why she **** blocked me, she wanted to go.

She'll probably like it. I think Genisys is definitely a movie that is easily accessible to casual Terminator fans and seals.

 

[a-dev]

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That's not *exactly* true. Do you really want the whole thing spoiled? There were so few twists left and you went ahead and read the last few spoilers. Shame on you.

Unless someone types a warning there is no way that the spoiler tag alerts you to the increased magnitude of spoiler you're about to read relative to previous ones. I had read the others, for all I knew I was about to read the same ones again.

 

[Khev]

Unless someone types a warning there is no way that the spoiler tag alerts you to the increased magnitude of spoiler you're about to read relative to previous ones. I had read the others, for all I knew I was about to read the same ones again.

Understood. Sometimes I'll be in a figure thread and will see a spoiler tag in a totally casual conversation about a figure's jacket or something it it'll be all "yeah the jacket looks like it's torn up from the scene where he dies" or whatever and it's like ****! You could have called out that that was a movie ruining spoiler and not just some minor little deal.

Regarding what you just read, it isn't totally true that that's what happens to him.

 

[a-dev]

I'm not really bothered though nor am I blaming you guys. I'm still interested in seeing it all play out.

 

[Magpie 7]

I kind of see the penultimate twist as....

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So ol' Arnie gets knocked into a vat of T1000 semen and comes out all impregnated so he can mimic anything just like a T1000.

 

[Khev]

I kind of see the penultimate twist as....

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So ol' Arnie gets knocked into a vat of T1000 semen and comes out all impregnated so he can mimic anything just like a T1000.

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He still has the endoskeleton so he won't be able to mimic anything like Robert Patrick. He's probably between a T-1000 and a TX. Endoskeleton with surface "healing" and assumedly transforming abilities but can't turn into a tile floor or make plasma guns out of his arm.

He's a bit of a "hybrid" if you will. Designed to be bigger than the TX.

 

[JAWS]

Even that I still don't have a problem with

So what if you don't actually see him learning that - it can be assumed it happened off screen. He just realised it might be an opportunity to say something John might appreciate at that particular moment.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!





I won't express my T2 is so overrated opinions here

I still like it but man it's overrated.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Thread boring with spoiler tags in every post.

Khev, how is this movie performing box office-wise?

 

[jye4ever]

I'm not really bothered though nor am I blaming you guys. I'm still interested in seeing it all play out.

Choose wisely

 

[RIDDICK]

Two days... TWO DAYS!

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[Wor-Gar]

Deadline:

Magic Mike XXL woke up this morning to a bed-ful of cash after collecting $9.315M on its opening Wednesday and earning an A- CinemaScore. That’s fantastic because audiences graded the first film a B in July 2012, and that title went on to post a $39.1M weekend and a final domestic B.O. of $113.7M. While Paramount has yet to report Wednesday figures for Terminator Genisys, it’s looking like the Warner Bros. muscular guy sequel actually punched out Terminator Genisys for the top spot yesterday. According to industry estimates, Terminator Genisys made approximately $8.9M from 3,758 venues. Terminator Genisys earned a B+ CinemaScore, which is the same grade that Terminator Salvation and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines earned. James Cameron’s Terminator 2: Judgement Day is the only title in the franchise per CinemaScore history to have earned an A+ in 1991.


It's like Pitch Perfect 2 and Fury Road all over again. Damn girls. They're everywhere.