Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[Wor-Gar]

Wor-Gar paid to see this. Good job. Every penny counts with regard to Parts 2 and 3 getting the green light/decent budget.

Sadly yes, I threw my money into the void. But I felt I owed the franchise for all the good its done me.

 

[Khev]

I'll see you opening night when Terminator: Exodys comes out.

 

[Plastic Bateman]

I'll see you opening night when Terminator: Exodys comes out.

Don't joke about that, I found out they somehow got around those 'no time travel' laws (maybe they don't count in relation to Western media or entirely fictional events? Perhaps they were rescinded sometime between 2011 and now? I don't know...) and are releasing Genisys in mainland China once the 'blackout' (period when only Chinese-made movies can be released domestically) ends. Slated release date is August 23rd apparently.

If China adds another $100 million to the international gross that might just be enough for them to claim a profit and greenlight the sequels after all (god I hope not).

 

[jedibear]

Sadly yes, I threw my money into the void. But I felt I owed the franchise for all the good its done me.

Can I borrow this quote in December when Star Wars comes out?

 

[EVILFACE]

If China adds another $100 million to the international gross that might just be enough for them to claim a profit and greenlight the sequels after all (god I hope not).

Why not?

If you don't like the movies, don't watch them.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Can I borrow this quote in December when Star Wars comes out?

I hope not.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Can I borrow this quote in December when Star Wars comes out?

I don't know, after and meh ROTJ, and the terrible prequels, I think the franchise owes me a really good movie and about $60 bucks

 

[Plastic Bateman]

Why not?

If you don't like the movies, don't watch them.

Because Genisys was the cinematic equivalent of Bill Cosby handing you your favourite cocktail - all the ingredients are there, but there's something added to it that tastes off and puts you in a coma. Then when you finally wake up, it hurts to sit down and the words 'Puddin Pops' have been crudely tattooed across your chest.

Honestly I feel like I need to poke a hole in that 'if you don't like it don't watch it' argument - you never truly know if you like something or not until after you've experienced it. With movies that generally means suffering the misfortune of paying to see them and leaving disappointed

 

[KitFisto]

Because Genisys was the cinematic equivalent of Bill Cosby handing you your favourite cocktail - all the ingredients are there, but there's something added to it that tastes off and puts you in a coma. Then when you finally wake up, it hurts to sit down and the words 'Puddin Pops' have been crudely tattooed across your chest.

Honestly I feel like I need to poke a hole in that 'if you don't like it don't watch it' argument - you never truly know if you like something or not until after you've experienced it. With movies that generally means suffering the misfortune of paying to see them and leaving disappointed

But as EF daid, just don't watch them. I've never understood this "God I hope they stop making these" for this franchise or any other. How does it personally affect you? Just ignore and don't watch what you don't want to see......pretty simple.

 

[Plastic Bateman]

But as EF daid, just don't watch them. I've never understood this "God I hope they stop making these" for this franchise or any other. How does it personally affect you? Just ignore and don't watch what you don't want to see......pretty simple.

It was a terrible film. The money could potentially have been spent greenlighting a better project. And honestly - does the world need more Terminator films not made by James Cameron at this point? Without him at the helm nobody seems to be able to figure out what the next logical step should be and instead they keep rehashing bits of the first two with increasingly diminishing returns. The closest anybody got to making something that didn't feel like reheated leftovers was McG with Salvation, honestly - but that was still a bad film for entirely different reasons.

Or to put it another way - if creatively bankrupt name-recognition cash-grabs keep making money somehow (i.e. if this does good business in China), you're increasingly less likely to see a film like the original Terminator ever again, because modern Hollywood clings to its belief that only established brands sell.

 

[GasparZizou]

I agree with Mr. Bateman.

I do hope they stop making these, these movies just taint the originals, they figuratively **** on them, and that is not ok. I'll never understand the "it's ok if a movie sucks because I was expecting that, plus it was entertaining, it's not like I was expecting Kurosawa".

I also never understood the "there are people who hate everything"? After a we get a parade of movies like Transformers, then a Ninja Turtles, then an ASM, then a JW, then a TG, it's like they're actually surprised people have negative opinions on these movies.

 

[EVILFACE]

Being a good or bad movie is all just opinion based.

I enjoyed TG and would like to see whatever sequel they have planned.

 

[KitFisto]

I agree with Mr. Bateman.

I do hope they stop making these, these movies just taint the originals, they figuratively **** on them, and that is not ok. I'll never understand the "it's ok if a movie sucks because I was expecting that, plus it was entertaining, it's not like I was expecting Kurosawa".

I also never understood the "there are people who hate everything"? After a we get a parade of movies like Transformers, then a Ninja Turtles, then an ASM, then a JW, then a TG, it's like they're actually surprised people have negative opinions on these movies.

How do the new movies taint the old ones? Last time I watched the original Terminator it was still the same movie I loved in 1984. It didn't change a bit and I didn't enjoy it any less because of Salvation or Genisys. You'll have to elaborate on how Genisys somehow hurts the enjoyment of the first two.

 

[Khev]

How do the new movies taint the old ones?

Some people have a hard time focusing on what they're watching. Like if a bad sequel comes out they have to think about it whenever they go back and watch the previous film or films. I think it IS disappointing when a sequel sucks, just because it's more fun to have a big series of cool movies rather than one or two good ones followed by a bunch of crap. But the crap has never, ever, spoiled my enjoyment of what came before.

 

[GasparZizou]

It has nothing to do with the enjoyment of the original, at least personally, although you can bet some people are bombarded with thoughts of the ****** sequels while watching the originals and that is just worse. The 1st 2 are still all but perfect and I still love them and make me react in the same way, I don't think about the crappy sequels when I watch those.

It has to do with concepts, performances, dialogue, etc, introduced and delivered perfectly by those original movies, that their respective sequels try to cash grab from, and in the process disrespecting what all that stuff originally was and meant, they bastardize it or unintentionally make a parody of it.

And that cheapens and tarnishes the accomplishments of the originals.

 

[KitFisto]

Well, we can agree to disagree. I'm ot saying you don't have a point, but I just don't agree the first two are tarnished.

 

[GasparZizou]

dude I'll be back lmao

 

[Plastic Bateman]

dude I'll be back lmao

Arnold's in several different commercials for things here in the UK at the moment and they all feature 'I'll be back', 'hasta la vista baby', etc. They really have run those catchphrases into the dirt at this point, to the point where in relation to what's been said above, I even wince a little hearing them in the original films now.

I do find it amazing that after five films they still haven't come up with a decent new catchphrase or anything remotely memorable that became as much of an institution as the lines from the first two films, to the point where they've even worn those out through repetition.

 

[Khev]

I do find it amazing that after five films they still haven't come up with a decent new catchphrase

"I'll be back" was never supposed to be a catchphrase. It was just another line in the movie that Cameron thought would be mildly humorous for people who watched it a second time. He never envisioned it to be this big thing. Running Man decided it was his catchphrase.

 

[GasparZizou]

Arnold's in several different commercials for things here in the UK at the moment and they all feature 'I'll be back', 'hasta la vista baby', etc. They really have run those catchphrases into the dirt at this point, to the point where in relation to what's been said above, I even wince a little hearing them in the original films now.

I do find it amazing that after five films they still haven't come up with a decent new catchphrase or anything remotely memorable that became as much of an institution as the lines from the first two films, to the point where they've even worn those out through repetition.

Right? Sure it was fan service in T2 too, but it wasn't mindless fan service for the dudebros to elbow each other.

It had a creepy sense of deja vu by **** repeating itself in twisted ways.