The Alien Franchise Discussion

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

who incidentally I always thought would have made a good Kyle Reese back in the days when I wanted a full future war Terminator movie.

I can see it. Ironically, it was a ST actor that ended up playing Kyle.

smh

I was right about Michael Biehn.

Gina Carano will get a HT before he does.

 

[a-dev]

I can see it. Ironically, it was a ST actor that ended up playing Kyle.

Took me a second - a ST actor? Sequel trilogy?

Star Trek

 

[matticus]

I can see it. Ironically, it was a ST actor that ended up playing Kyle.

Who I felt was miscast. Don't see him growing up to be Michael Biehn. The movie was good too, unlike what everyone else says.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Who I felt was miscast. Don't see him growing up to be Michael Biehn. The movie was good too, unlike what everyone else says.

I haven't seen it in a long while, but it's probably better than the last two films.

 

[Rogerbee]

Personally, I think Neill Blomkamp should approach a game studio and get his idea turned into a game. Creative Assembly, the guys behind Alien: Isolation, would be a good fit and would do his ideas true justice. Plus Ridley Scott wouldn't be able to stick his oar in. Anything is better gamewise than the imminent Aliens Fireteam Elite.

 

[abake]

Rogan's clueless.

"Der dah mural of ships looked so bad in HD."

"Oh you mean the matte painting inside the Sulaco?" *sees Rogan's utterly blank stare* "...the big military ship?"

"Oh uh yeah."

There was a time when a proper sequel to ALIENS was my most wanted film, even moreso than the yet to be made PT and if anyone could have done it justice it may very well have been Blomkamp. Oh well.

Absolutely... that guy has no idea about movie making and he's got a channel where he discusses films?
Glad Blomkamp took the time to educate him a bit.

 

[Dark_Knight_89]

Has anybody read any of the canon Alien novels and/or movie novelisations?

I read the novelisations of Alien and Aliens, both by Alan Dean Foster. It's interesting to read the subtle differences in the novelisations compared to the final film. This is quite common with almost all movie novelisations, as the books tend to be based on early screenplay drafts to ensure they are written in time for movie release. You also get a lot more background on characters and their thoughts/motivations are fleshed out somewhat by the opportunities for internal monologuing that novels allow.

As for canon novels, I am trying to read in timeline order rather than release order, so have just read Alien: Isolation in full so far. I enjoyed it, and it was good to see more of Amanda's story, her relationship with her mother, and other efforts to locate her prior to arriving on Sevastopol.

I am now about halfway through Alien: Out of Shadows, which is actually really entertaining. It's almost a mix of Alien/Aliens so far, in terms of slow creeping horror at first but I get the feeling that the part I am about to read is going to be more action orientated. Not really a spoiler, as it is mentioned on the blurb on the back of the book, but the story features Ellen Ripley prominently. However, the story is set before Aliens, so I am yet to see how Ripley ends up back on the Narcissus shuttle and with no memory of the events of this book by the time she is awoken in Aliens.

 

[Rotfish]

Rogan's clueless.

"Der dah mural of ships looked so bad in HD."

"Oh you mean the matte painting inside the Sulaco?" *sees Rogan's utterly blank stare* "...the big military ship?"

I thought he was referring to the shot of Gateway, but it still looks good to me. The Sulaco interior on the other hand, I didn't even realize had painted elements.

The only effect that looks rough enough to mention would be the compositing of the ships as they're flying through the sky. Then again, the movie came out 35 years ago, so what do people expect?

 

[Dave_W]

I recently watched Kate on Netflix...that character screams Ripley.

 

[greygoose]

I recently watched Kate on Netflix...that character screams Ripley.

Is Kate worth watching?

 

[Dave_W]

I liked it. It has some brutal fight scenes but you can see the story coming a mile away so it's nothing special in that regard.

 

[greygoose]

I liked it. It has some brutal fight scenes but you can see the story coming a mile away so it's nothing special in that regard.

Cool. I'll give it a watch!

 

[ironwez20]

Marvel for some reason said the predators are stronger than the aliens . I mean duh

 

[a-dev]

Has anybody read any of the canon Alien novels and/or movie novelisations?

I read the novelisations of Alien and Aliens, both by Alan Dean Foster. It's interesting to read the subtle differences in the novelisations compared to the final film. This is quite common with almost all movie novelisations, as the books tend to be based on early screenplay drafts to ensure they are written in time for movie release. You also get a lot more background on characters and their thoughts/motivations are fleshed out somewhat by the opportunities for internal monologuing that novels allow.

As for canon novels, I am trying to read in timeline order rather than release order, so have just read Alien: Isolation in full so far. I enjoyed it, and it was good to see more of Amanda's story, her relationship with her mother, and other efforts to locate her prior to arriving on Sevastopol.

I am now about halfway through Alien: Out of Shadows, which is actually really entertaining. It's almost a mix of Alien/Aliens so far, in terms of slow creeping horror at first but I get the feeling that the part I am about to read is going to be more action orientated. Not really a spoiler, as it is mentioned on the blurb on the back of the book, but the story features Ellen Ripley prominently. However, the story is set before Aliens, so I am yet to see how Ripley ends up back on the Narcissus shuttle and with no memory of the events of this book by the time she is awoken in Aliens.

I remember buying and reading a 3in1 novelisation of the first 3 films sometime in my teens. I don't have it anymore though and can't remember if there were any major departures from the movies.

I also think I used to have some other books - I remember one with a guy who had built his own AI Alien and it was all about harvesting the Queen's gloopy stuff or something. Being the age I was then I particularly noted the sex scenes (between human characters I should clarify)

 

[abake]

So I thought this was an interesting video to bring this thread back from the dead:



I really liked his analysis of the science in Alien and Aliens, it's not something that gets discussed a lot.

 

[Mondragon]

Marvel for some reason said the predators are stronger than the aliens . I mean duh

What about this debate?
https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?121418-Colonial-Marines-v-Dutch-s-Commandos

Colonial Marines Sulaco's "Bug Stomper" crew: Apone, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez, Drake, Bishop, Gorman, Ripley etc...
vs.
Elite Commandos: Dutch , Dillon, Billy, Blain, Poncho, Mac, Hawkins + Anna, ...

Although they put this caveat:
Assume they have the same weapons. And landscape?
More about their skill as a unit.

 

[abake]

Well, with the same weaponry, I'd have to go with Dutch: they took out a whole camp of heavily armed guerrillas.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Has anybody read any of the canon Alien novels and/or movie novelisations?

I read the novelisations of Alien and Aliens, both by Alan Dean Foster. It's interesting to read the subtle differences in the novelisations compared to the final film. This is quite common with almost all movie novelisations, as the books tend to be based on early screenplay drafts to ensure they are written in time for movie release. You also get a lot more background on characters and their thoughts/motivations are fleshed out somewhat by the opportunities for internal monologuing that novels allow.

I read the Aliens one years and years ago.

From what I remember

- More coverage of Ripley while she was under investigation and working as type of "dock worker" grunt with the Power Loader, etc, etc. This was more explained in Cameron's Special Edition version, where you see more of Burke and the issue of Ripley's daughter.

- More coverage of Burke and Gorman, that humanized them somewhat

- Dietrich appeared to be someone that should have had a larger role based on intentions. She was the "medic" in the unit.

- More coverage of Drake and Vasquez as reformed former juvenile offenders, which I thought was interesting subject, in the Special Edition, it was in some of the notes/artwork, that arc.

One thing I always got confused about was whether Crowe and Wiezerbowski both got lines or not in the film. I know one did, I think during the cornbread scene. But I always felt bad if one of those guys didn't get at least one speaking line. If you get a speaking line in a feature film, you can get your SAG card, if you don't have one. That changes your entire ballgame if you want to be a working actor.

If anything, the ADF' novelization lead me to believe that a Colonial Marine TV series would be a huge hit if it was done right. It's too bad Ridley Scott and James Cameron didn't work that out and we got that instead of Raised By Wolves.

 

[Rotfish]

Well, with the same weaponry, I'd have to go with Dutch: they took out a whole camp of heavily armed guerrillas.

Agreed. Dutch's team were all specialists, they'd been in the game for a while. And there was no wet-behind-the-ears lieutenant running the show.

- More coverage of Drake and Vasquez as reformed former juvenile offenders, which I thought was interesting subject, in the Special Edition, it was in some of the notes/artwork, that arc.

Very interesting. I always thought they were tight just because they had the same specialty, but this does help flesh out their relationship more.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Agreed. Dutch's team were all specialists, they'd been in the game for a while. And there was no wet-behind-the-ears lieutenant running the show.



Very interesting. I always thought they were tight just because they had the same specialty, but this does help flesh out their relationship more.

Special Edition Marines BTS Video




Pretty insane that it only cost 18 million for the total production budget.